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I've just recently picked up my copy of Index: Chaos and wanted to see what I can take on Havocs, and since I've recently modelled up some Chaos Marines wielding Plasma Cannons I naturally wanted to run a couple. However, it seems they're absent from the selection of heavy weapons that Chaos have access to!

Potential error on GW's part? Or should I just throw my Plasma Cannon guys in the bin?

They've never had Plasma Cannons. It's been like that for several editions

 CrownAxe wrote:
They've never had Plasma Cannons. It's been like that for several editions

Wow I just checked my 7th Ed codex, you're completely right. Now I'm no longer annoyed at them not being there, but why they haven't been there for so long? What Chaos Marine in their right mind wouldn't want to use such a powerful weapon???

 SpartanHedgey wrote:
Wow I just checked my 7th Ed codex, you're completely right. Now I'm no longer annoyed at them not being there, but why they haven't been there for so long? What Chaos Marine in their right mind wouldn't want to use such a powerful weapon???

Who knows. As far back as I can remember, 2nd edition at least, Chaos has only ever had access to Plasma Cannons on Dreadnoughts. In Codex anyway. Forge World may have given them access elsewhere. Not sure if when they changed them from Dreadnoughts to Hell brutes if they even maintained access there.

Trade ya for autocannons.

 SpartanHedgey wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
They've never had Plasma Cannons. It's been like that for several editions

Wow I just checked my 7th Ed codex, you're completely right. Now I'm no longer annoyed at them not being there, but why they haven't been there for so long? What Chaos Marine in their right mind wouldn't want to use such a powerful weapon???

Ask Lheorvine "Firefist" Ukris.

They don't have them because in the fluff back in the herecy plasma weapons were new and unreliable, a plasma cannon required a lot of cooling pipes etc so was only fitted to dreads (hense why a hellbrute can have one)

infantry simply could not carry them as they were back then.

after the heresy the technology was refined a bit and normal marines started using them

But how awesome would they look?

 Latro_ wrote:
They don't have them because in the fluff back in the herecy plasma weapons were new and unreliable, a plasma cannon required a lot of cooling pipes etc so was only fitted to dreads (hense why a hellbrute can have one)

infantry simply could not carry them as they were back then.

after the heresy the technology was refined a bit and normal marines started using them

*looks at plasma cannon Heavy Support squads in 30k*

Nope, that isn't the reason. They could field 10-man Plasma Cannon squads.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
They don't have them because in the fluff back in the herecy plasma weapons were new and unreliable, a plasma cannon required a lot of cooling pipes etc so was only fitted to dreads (hense why a hellbrute can have one)

infantry simply could not carry them as they were back then.

after the heresy the technology was refined a bit and normal marines started using them

*looks at plasma cannon Heavy Support squads in 30k*

Nope, that isn't the reason. They could field 10-man Plasma Cannon squads.

That was the reason prior to the Horus Heresy game existing. Retcon is fun to figure out sometimes!

yea, if it aint 2ed andy chambers chaos codex gtfo

MaxT wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
They don't have them because in the fluff back in the herecy plasma weapons were new and unreliable, a plasma cannon required a lot of cooling pipes etc so was only fitted to dreads (hense why a hellbrute can have one)

infantry simply could not carry them as they were back then.

after the heresy the technology was refined a bit and normal marines started using them

*looks at plasma cannon Heavy Support squads in 30k*

Nope, that isn't the reason. They could field 10-man Plasma Cannon squads.

That was the reason prior to the Horus Heresy game existing. Retcon is fun to figure out sometimes!

I know it used to be the case, my point was just that it's no longer canon.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

MaxT wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
They don't have them because in the fluff back in the herecy plasma weapons were new and unreliable, a plasma cannon required a lot of cooling pipes etc so was only fitted to dreads (hense why a hellbrute can have one)

infantry simply could not carry them as they were back then.

after the heresy the technology was refined a bit and normal marines started using them

*looks at plasma cannon Heavy Support squads in 30k*

Nope, that isn't the reason. They could field 10-man Plasma Cannon squads.

That was the reason prior to the Horus Heresy game existing. Retcon is fun to figure out sometimes!

I know it used to be the case, my point was just that it's no longer canon.

but its still the 'reason' CSM do not have plasma cannons, its a fluff reason be that be 'canon' or not...

isnt the heavy bolter just better than the autocannon with the new wound chart due to the extra shot? and does only like 25% less damage on a multi wound model and at only half the cost?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

MaxT wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
They don't have them because in the fluff back in the herecy plasma weapons were new and unreliable, a plasma cannon required a lot of cooling pipes etc so was only fitted to dreads (hense why a hellbrute can have one)

infantry simply could not carry them as they were back then.

after the heresy the technology was refined a bit and normal marines started using them

*looks at plasma cannon Heavy Support squads in 30k*

Nope, that isn't the reason. They could field 10-man Plasma Cannon squads.

That was the reason prior to the Horus Heresy game existing. Retcon is fun to figure out sometimes!

I know it used to be the case, my point was just that it's no longer canon.

But that's the fun with GW background, everything is canon, nothing is ever removed from the canon. It's always true and fact, just from a certain point of view


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peirceg wrote:
isnt the heavy bolter just better than the autocannon with the new wound chart due to the extra shot? and does only like 25% less damage on a multi wound model and at only half the cost?

And less range. And to wounds toughness 5, 6 & 7 worse, which encompass almost all light vehicles and most transports in the game. It's certainly not just "better".