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I didn't post this in the list building forum because it states that those lists are looking for feedback, I simply wanted to give people an idea of the absolute cheapest brigades you could field so that you might pick and choose units and build a larger list off of that to gain the most CP (This is why I figured tactics might be a good place) This isn't me looking for feedback but offering a perspective for everyone out there.
Imperium - All factions - Total cost 40 PL/504 points
Spoiler:
HQ Any combination of these three units Adeptus Astra Telepathica 0-3x Primaris Psyker
FW Elysians 0-3x Elysian Company Commander
Astra Militarum 0-3x Tempestor Prime
Troop
Astra Militarum 6x Infantry Squads
Elite
Adeptus Astartes 3x Cenobyte Servitors
Fast Attack
Adeptus Astartes Space Wolves 3x Cyberwolves
Heavy Support 3x Heavy Weapons Teams (Mortars)
Space Marine Brigade - 84 PL/930 Points
Spoiler:
HQ 3x Chaplain
Troops 6x Scout Squads
Elite 3x Cenybote Servitors
Fast Attack 3x Attack Bike Squads
Heavy Support 3x Devastator Squads (No special weapons)
I see a lot of people making this mistake with Renegades and Heretics: you cannot take individual Rogue Psyker Coven models they must come in 5, so the cheapest HQ you can take is Renegade Commander's for 25 points each. Your troop choice should also be Renegade Militia or Renegade Mutant Rabble because they are cheaper than either Cultist option by 10 points per min squad. Other than that the rest is all correct.
I don't have the renegades index was just going off of Battlescribe for their list and according to them it comes at 5x Rogue Psykers for either 3 PL or 20points, is that still incorrect? I marked everything by minimum units instead of 6 squads of three rippers etc etc.
I stand corrected on the rabble or the militia squad though I missed over that (lots of numbers lol thank you for that one) Correcting the rabble/militia now
Looking at the chaos that's pretty nuts though, in a regular game (Lets say 2000 points) you could field 2-3 of that brigade and use the remaining to actually flesh out a few upgrades or pick up a tank or something. Thats 21-29ish command points....
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It amuses me that the Necron one costs about 2-3 times as much as the ones for other armies.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
Yeah I hadn't realized just how little their selection is all around compared to other armies. Making these lists was a bit of an eye opener for sure. Honestly never expected the Imperium or Chaos ones to be that ridiculously cheap either, I really thought my tyranids would have an advantage but nopers
Requiet wrote: Yeah I hadn't realized just how little their selection is all around compared to other armies. Making these lists was a bit of an eye opener for sure. Honestly never expected the Imperium or Chaos ones to be that ridiculously cheap either, I really thought my tyranids would have an advantage but nopers
I think part of it is that the Imperium basically has 10+ codices to pick from - including ones like IG. Chaos doesn't have that many, but it still has a few.
Necrons only have 1 codex to pick models from and it's an expensive one.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
+ Elites + Beasts of Nurgle [2 PL, 38pts]: Beast of Nurgle
Beasts of Nurgle [2 PL, 38pts]: Beast of Nurgle
Beasts of Nurgle [2 PL, 38pts]: Beast of Nurgle
+ Fast Attack + Plague Toads of Nurgle [6 PL, 120pts]: 3x Plague Toad
Plague Toads of Nurgle [6 PL, 120pts]: 3x Plague Toad
Plague Toads of Nurgle [6 PL, 120pts]: 3x Plague Toad
Almost the entire Imperium one comes from the Astra Militarum sections, only the cyber wolves and the cenobyte servitors come from elsewhere so you figure maybe another 40ish points for an all IG equivalent. The Marine one is the second most expensive I believe and without the servitors it would still be 300 less I believe than the necrons.
And Daemons outside of chaos are pretty expensive, I got 54 PL/1032 Points for an unaligned daemon army using Herald of Khorne, Nurglings, Beasts of Nurgle, Furies and Seeker Chariots
@Captyn_Bob What is allowing you to take Brimstone Horrors as a troop? Going off of battlescribe on the Chaos one so I just want to know before I correct it above
@Captyn_Bob What is allowing you to take Brimstone Horrors as a troop? Going off of battlescribe on the Chaos one so I just want to know before I correct it above
Use the chaos index rather than battlescribe.
You pick horrors of either of the 3 types when buildong the unit. Battlescribe defaults to pinks, but you can swap them for brimstones
@Captyn_Bob What is allowing you to take Brimstone Horrors as a troop? Going off of battlescribe on the Chaos one so I just want to know before I correct it above
You have HWT with lasguns? They must take a heavy weapon so the cheapest is Mortars which makes them 27pts for one team, so three would be 81pts.
@Captyn_Bob What is allowing you to take Brimstone Horrors as a troop? Going off of battlescribe on the Chaos one so I just want to know before I correct it above
You have HWT with lasguns? They must take a heavy weapon so the cheapest is Mortars which makes them 27pts for one team, so three would be 81pts.
Corrected, finding a lot of errors with battlescribe right now but thats what feedback is for ay? Updating now
Requiet wrote: I haven't played much against Harlequins how competitive would it be to bring those units?
Most lists acutally use most of that stuff. Maybe not deathjesters, and you'd want transports for all the troupes with fusion guns, but most lists have that base.
Requiet wrote: I haven't played much against Harlequins how competitive would it be to bring those units?
Not very, IMO. You want all your Players tooled up somehow, with either a melee or pistol or upgrade (adding 30-45 points to the unit's cost usually), and you also want them in a transport (99 points apiece), which simply isn't affordable in that list at any kind of regular tourney point cost.
Page 242 – Understrength Units
Change the second paragraph to read:
‘If you are using Power Ratings, you must still pay the
Power Rating cost as if you had a minimum-sized unit,
even though it contains fewer models. If you are using
points, you only pay the points for the models you
actually have in an understrength unit (and any wargear
they are equipped with). An understrength unit still
takes up the appropriate slot in a Detachment.’
As a person with a bunch of models that could previously be fielded in one man squads I still find this ruling disappointed and really don't expect any TO to be chill with it being abused. The designers notes gives a dirty look at people messing with what was intended (Hive fleets and space Marines being <Eldar> for their fleet/chapter to get around rules. Not gonna lie though maybe hive fleet <warriors> with a couple primes would have been funny -.-
