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Primaris captain $60AUD
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Primaris-Space-Marines-Captain
and only has two tiny sprues with it??

I decided to give 40k a try again due after hearing GW might have turned a new page with condensed codexs, simultaneous release of all those codexs and a decent value of money for their starter set but how can they seriously justify $60 for a model with only
2- Heads
1 - Backpack
2 - Shoulder pads
1 - Gun
1 - Torso and Chest
2 - Legs and a stupid ruin bit on it
and only 1 CC weapon

I did a quick search and couldn't believe it that the forum wasn't filled with a bit of outrage at GW's over-inflated self worth.

Is this the new normal?

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EDIT:

Fair enough, I've definitely got the message the GW hasn't changed it's tune. It's a shame I think I'll check out FoW or AoK to scratch my war-gaming itch got real hyped up for all those good changes that GW did for 8th Edition shame they never grasped the game would be more popular especially in Australia with a more reasonable pricing method. Maybe 9th edition or when 3D printing become more wide spread.

Thanks for most of the responses.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/07/03 12:59:49


 
   
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Skip him the.

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Wow. This is just utter lunacy.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Metalica

 Peregrine wrote:
Wow. This is just utter lunacy.


35USD.

A Dominus Tech Priest is 36USD.

They're all unreasonably high, but it's not new.

 
   
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GW's ridiculous pricing drove me away from their games a few years back. Like you I came back due to fairly priced starter sets but some of the current releases beggars belief

I've been playing a while, my first model was a lead marine and my first White Dwarf was bound with staples 
   
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 Purifier wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Wow. This is just utter lunacy.


35USD.

A Dominus Tech Priest is 36USD.

They're all unreasonably high, but it's not new.


Oh, that classic mistake. $35 is high, but at least not "I could buy a FW primarch for that" level.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Just make one out of other primaris parts. He doesn't seem too out of the question to convert from a MUCH cheaper option. Most special characters are just like that.

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4x Imperial Knights
 
   
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"Will GW rip of it's cosumers in the new 8th edition?"

What the Hell is cosumers and don't you mean costumers? And don't you mean rip off?

Feed the poor war gamer with money.  
   
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I'm not sure how they manage to sell characters for space marines these days. Maybe primaris are a bit different, but for regular SM heroes I just used interesting bits I'd saved up from other kits

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 Huron black heart wrote:
GW's ridiculous pricing drove me away from their games a few years back. Like you I came back due to fairly priced starter sets but some of the current releases beggars belief


I shrug in your general direction. GW has decided to (finally) at least attempt to make a ruleset made to be played. They've also decided to make entry level purchases both affordable and playable in their own right. Cool things that are great for us and great for the hobby. But GW is still a company that is primarily motivated by sales. The fact that they have realised they can be both pretty radical and a profitable company at once doesn't mean they've become our best bud with a t-shirt canon filled with sprues. In the end, they're going to charge handsomely for their finest pieces.

I think the prices on single characters are well beyond what they would have to be if GW was a charity, but I think the models are premium and I don't mind paying a premium for them.

Austalians get to be a bit salty though, because with the prices they're forced to pay above the rest of us, you'd think the Australian highways are so perilous one in three GW trucks are lost to roving bands of kangaroos.

 
   
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Nashville, TN

Man, try not to sprain something with all the knee jerking going on in here, people.

Nobody is shoving Primaris down your throat. Don't like the price? Don't buy it!

And don't spam the crap out of the forums whining about it either. There's at least two or three other threads about this full of this crap.

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"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.

 warboss wrote:

GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


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 DoomMouse wrote:
I'm not sure how they manage to sell characters for space marines these days. Maybe primaris are a bit different, but for regular SM heroes I just used interesting bits I'd saved up from other kits

Yeah. If there would have been some new gear options in this kit, there would have been a reason to buy it, but there is not. Unless you absolutely must have the extra bling, there's no reason to buy the Captain, you can easily kitbash all the loadouts. (Annoyingly the limited edition Captain actually comes with a new style of plasma pistol, which is a nice bit.)


   
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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Don't like the price? Don't buy it!


I expect you to apply the same principle to people praising new releases. Like the price? Just buy it silently, don't tell everyone about how much you like the new thing.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Man, try not to sprain something with all the knee jerking going on in here, people.

Nobody is shoving Primaris down your throat. Don't like the price? Don't buy it!

And don't spam the crap out of the forums whining about it either. There's at least two or three other threads about this full of this crap.


Couldn't see it on the first page, no need to get so worked up.

I already bought my starter set and 3rd party paint and tools, I had hoped that my perceived change of GW's marketing direction was the cause of the community finally telling GW to stick it. Guess I was wrong on both counts. :(

It's also quite dishonest to call it a knee jerk reaction, I am fine with even a $60 model but with so little parts to it that if you took 3 or 4 parts away it could be called snap fit isn't ever going to get my money.
   
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 Purifier wrote:
I think the models are premium and I don't mind paying a premium for them.


I think you have a fairly generous definition of "premium". GW's kits are adequate for gaming purposes, but they aren't anywhere near "premium". Their primary advantage model-wise is the vast range of existing products to use for conversions, something like this captain taken in isolation is a pretty underwhelming product where the only "premium" thing about it is the price.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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 NenkotaMoon wrote:
"Will GW rip of it's cosumers in the new 8th edition?"

What the Hell is cosumers and don't you mean costumers? And don't you mean rip off?


don't you mean customers?
hilarious that you correct someone with a mistake of your own.
   
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Nashville, TN

 Peregrine wrote:
 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Don't like the price? Don't buy it!


I expect you to apply the same principle to people praising new releases. Like the price? Just buy it silently, don't tell everyone about how much you like the new thing.


When there's three threads gushing on about it I will. It'll never happen though.



A typo laden rant about how ridiculous something is with a poll heavily weighted towards your opinion is what I'd call a knee jerk reaction.

"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"

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Proverbs 18:2

"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.

 warboss wrote:

GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.

EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.

Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! 
   
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Let's be honest, GW can only rip off its consumers...if the consumer chooses to buy the product. It's not as if they're lying about what they're selling or anything.

I'm in no way a fan of GW's oddball pricing on half of their line (and I don't buy them, simple as that), but it's not ransom or a rip off, it's just them charging too much for for sprue of plastic. If anything, blame the die-hard fans who pay any ridiculous price that GW puts out there. If anything they just know their market too well. They'll keep making 'em if people keep buying them (and they do, in droves).

   
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Projected demand is what has always set GWs pricing.

A blister pack with 2 metal guardsmen or classic beaky marines was like $8. But a single character was $15.

Why? Because people will buy 5 of the guardman/marine blisters but only 1 of the character.

Same goes with current prices: the primaris captain doesn't have any options, customers are only going to buy 1; so he costs less than a squad but not by much.

It makes financial sense. It is not really about the options on the sprue(but more equals less money since more people will purchase multiple kits) It is about how many can reasonably be expected to go in a single army.

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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Don't like the price? Don't buy it!


I expect you to apply the same principle to people praising new releases. Like the price? Just buy it silently, don't tell everyone about how much you like the new thing.


When there's three threads gushing on about it I will. It'll never happen though.



A typo laden rant about how ridiculous something is with a poll heavily weighted towards your opinion is what I'd call a knee jerk reaction.


What has grammatical accuracy got to do with it?
And it appears there are people who do want to discuss it, if you don't then it's quite easy to ignore these threads.

I've been playing a while, my first model was a lead marine and my first White Dwarf was bound with staples 
   
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Nashville, TN

It means people just slapped together a post with little thought. A knee jerk. I would have thought that was obvious, but I am getting old.

"Holy Sh*&, you've opened my eyes and changed my mind about this topic, thanks Dakka OT!"

-Nobody Ever

Proverbs 18:2

"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.

 warboss wrote:

GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up.


Albatross wrote:I think SlaveToDorkness just became my new hero.

EmilCrane wrote:Finecast is the new Matt Ward.

Don't mess with the Blade and Bolter! 
   
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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Don't like the price? Don't buy it!


I expect you to apply the same principle to people praising new releases. Like the price? Just buy it silently, don't tell everyone about how much you like the new thing.


When there's three threads gushing on about it I will. It'll never happen though.



A typo laden rant about how ridiculous something is with a poll heavily weighted towards your opinion is what I'd call a knee jerk reaction.


I'm sorry sir, I forgot this is your personal forum.

I'l m8ke sure I crøss my Ts and dot my EYES XT p0st only for you tho .

I can only speculate how GW will price their Primaris line.
   
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 Purifier wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Wow. This is just utter lunacy.


35USD.

A Dominus Tech Priest is 36USD.

They're all unreasonably high, but it's not new.


But he's pretty big and has lots of dangly fancy parts.
   
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If you are outraged by this you are not GW target to begin with.
   
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 Peregrine wrote:
 Purifier wrote:
I think the models are premium and I don't mind paying a premium for them.


I think you have a fairly generous definition of "premium". GW's kits are adequate for gaming purposes, but they aren't anywhere near "premium". Their primary advantage model-wise is the vast range of existing products to use for conversions, something like this captain taken in isolation is a pretty underwhelming product where the only "premium" thing about it is the price.


I agree that these two models are a bit underwhelming, but I have never been very impressed with marines (other than my short stint with Grey Knights that my name implies) and find them fairly generic overall. I can't really judge the badassery of a character from a range that I am not interested in very well.

The Tech-Priest Dominus is in my mind absolutely amazing. From the general concept of this creepy old guy with god knows what under the robe, metal tendrils poking out, giving you an idea of the horrors below, to the actual posing and usage of that concept all the way to the 3d model, delivering absolutely perfectly on the concept, I think it's an amazing product, well worth its price. I have to imagine that people that buy this Primaris Captain feel at least something close to that about this model. Whether it's a bit bland or not to me, it's still clearly a very neat and well made model.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
But he's pretty big and has lots of dangly fancy parts.

About as big as the Primaris Captain, and his dangly bits fit on two tiny sprues, just like the Primaris. The Primaris dangly bits are in no way inferior to the Tech-Priest's dangly bits, the Tech-Priest just knows how to use his better.

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If you are outraged by this you are not GW target to begin with.
   
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 Elbows wrote:
Let's be honest, GW can only rip off its consumers...if the consumer chooses to buy the product. It's not as if they're lying about what they're selling or anything.

I'm in no way a fan of GW's oddball pricing on half of their line (and I don't buy them, simple as that), but it's not ransom or a rip off, it's just them charging too much for for sprue of plastic. If anything, blame the die-hard fans who pay any ridiculous price that GW puts out there. If anything they just know their market too well. They'll keep making 'em if people keep buying them (and they do, in droves).

Yep, ultimately this. If you think it is too expensive, don't buy it. And as it has been noted, you don't need this model to play the game, so buying it is completely optional.

   
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Fair enough, I've definitely got the message the GW hasn't changed it's tune. It's a shame I think I'll check out FoW or AoK to scratch my war-gaming itch got real hyped up for all those good changes that GW did for 8th Edition shame they never grasped the game would be more popular especially in Australia with a more reasonable pricing method. Maybe 9th edition or when 3D printing become more wide spread.

Thanks for most of the responses.
   
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$35 for a clamshell.. nope I am sure some people will buy them but I will be obstaining

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Peaty wrote:
Fair enough, I've definitely got the message the GW hasn't changed it's tune. It's a shame I think I'll check out FoW or AoK to scratch my war-gaming itch got real hyped up for all those good changes that GW did for 8th Edition shame they never grasped the game would be more popular especially in Australia with a more reasonable pricing method. Maybe 9th edition or when 3D printing become more wide spread.

Thanks for most of the responses.


It's a lot of money for a single, albeit beefy, model. There's no denying that.

I would simply encourage you to refrain from black/white thinking, which is the idea that an entity, in this case GW, is either Good or Bad. They're neither, like everything thing else there are good and bad aspects to their business model. They are clearly getting better, with more interesting releases, better rules, and at least some attempts to mitigate prices. They also stopped the long hated price adjustments, which is one reason that new releases are shockingly expensive.

Personally, I wouldn't look at the price of a single model for deciding whether or not to commit to gaming system, but you do what feels best.
   
 
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