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Well it would be hard for anyone on min wage with living costs to play GW in the first place.

35$ is pretty meh but thats like a evening of binge drinking for me and the friends.

and i wont come out with a hangover.

 Desubot wrote:
Well it would be hard for anyone on min wage with living costs to play GW in the first place.

35$ is pretty meh but thats like a evening of binge drinking for me and the friends.

and i wont come out with a hangover.

several of my store's younger players who are either still in college or elected not to go make close to it but they manage. often they just build their army over time and have to proxy a lot but fun to get games in no matter how it happens.

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Well it would be hard for anyone on min wage with living costs to play GW in the first place.

35$ is pretty meh but thats like a evening of binge drinking for me and the friends.

and i wont come out with a hangover.

several of my store's younger players who are either still in college or elected not to go make close to it but they manage. often they just build their army over time and have to proxy a lot but fun to get games in no matter how it happens.

Nothing stops people from proxing paper marines to play. and good on them for spending the time to make it work for them.

but you absolutely cannot complain that non life essential goods cost too much when its not in your means to afford and be expected to be taken seriously.

(dont take this as me defending GW. the price is increasing for less and that does suck)

 SGrimhart wrote:
Blah, Blah, Blah, piss whine and moan ...yes GW prices their models at a rediculous high amount, and yes you don't get as much as you think you should for your $$. I cannot believe that this thread has gotten this much activity, honestly. If you have followed the trend then you know how GW works. If you don't like the prices then don't pay them. You can do what hundreds of other WFB/40K/AoS players have done. Go on Ebay and pay a reduced price from someone who has decided to quit playing and buy it from them. If you don't like the model, buy a different one and be a real player and bit crash it. Seriously if you are not happy and are leaving the game altogher then the leave, quietly preferably, and go play another game that will suck up your money just as easily.

It's almost as if a load of people have come back to the game with the affordable starters and index books only to see the proverbial leopard has not; in fact, changed its spots.

So the thing to do is to effectively tell them to feth off? Good show!

 Melissia wrote:
TBH, I'd rather have a masterfully prepared steak than a primaris captain.

So would I. (Although you would be right on the edge of finding a decent steak in restaurant for that price around here) I'm not really defending the £22.50 price point, as I do think it's too high for what you are getting. However, the idea that its "made of gold" to be a bit hyperbolic. Also... I find it odd that a lot of GW players have an entitled, "GW owes me something" attitude. Which they don't.

I'm not freaking out over the pricing yet. I want to see how the price of the multi part reivers, intercessors etc and the dreadnought turns out. Those are the important kits IMO, and will make or break my interest in funding a primaris army.

The captain and librarian models are a bit expensive, and are just good models...not great. I don't need either of them right now.

If you look at the stormcasts, the problem isn't the super expensive characters that you only need one of.

It's the really expensive elites that you want a dozen of.

 Polonius wrote:
If you look at the stormcasts, the problem isn't the super expensive characters that you only need one of.

It's the really expensive elites that you want a dozen of.

yeah im not sure how im going to feel about 50-60 5man squads of hellblasters. at that point since they are also very not blinged up and mesh together way better than the nurgle side of the box getting the dark imperium bits would be way better.

ditto with insestors.

Insestors, they're like the redneck cousins of inceptors.

 Melissia wrote:
Insestors, they're like the redneck cousins of inceptors.

GW is Illuminaughty confirmed.

 Selym wrote:
And I can make £10 of alcohol last all evening.

If you're evaluating an item's price by how much enjoyment you get out of it per unit cost, I personally find the Primaris HQ's to not be worth a second's thought.

Not even including the painting and gaming time? You only get one night out of your models?

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
And I can make £10 of alcohol last all evening.

If you're evaluating an item's price by how much enjoyment you get out of it per unit cost, I personally find the Primaris HQ's to not be worth a second's thought.

Not even including the painting and gaming time? You only get one night out of your models?

One model in isolation? I get no enjoyment out of one model, at all. None.

I don't like painting, I do it to play, but one model isn't gonna play me a game. The amount I've spent on 40k, I have no idea how many nights I could be out drinking if I was so inclined, but it'll surely add up to more than the time I've spent gaming.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Selym wrote:
And I can make £10 of alcohol last all evening.

If you're evaluating an item's price by how much enjoyment you get out of it per unit cost, I personally find the Primaris HQ's to not be worth a second's thought.

Not even including the painting and gaming time? You only get one night out of your models?

Might take me several hours to get it painted, does not mean I enjoyed painting it. I rarely enjoy painting, and the ones I do enjoy painting are the ones where I've had a personal touch in the design or in the character I imagine it to be. Generic Space Lad #4117 with no options on the sprue and no mates to be a squaddie with isn't going to make it on the shelf labelled "My Dudes".

The uninspiring pose helps none, either.

Now, I would gladly pay a larger-than-normal sum of money for a kit that only allows the production of one model if it came with a load of options. Here's an idea, provide only one hip-and-upper-leg component, and then place three options for each limb, head, weapon or backpack. That's real customisation and would cover GW's immortal fear of us getting more models per box through bitz-surfing than they intended. With enough bitz and a flexible enough design to add those items to the bitz box, the model may actually become worth its price tag.

As of now, even if I was going to buy into Primaris Marines, I would not consider this money well spent.

 Thargrim wrote:
The captain and librarian models are a bit expensive, and are just good models...not great. I don't need either of them right now.

Same for me. I like the Librarian, but I don't like him 30€. Maybe it's their way of saying "look, our metal sisters aren't that overpriced compared to our new models, will you buy them now?"

aww man. O wish he came with a rubber chicken on the sprue.

I've mostly just built characters from bitz using regular troops bases since coming back. Next up is a Beastmaster from my Hellions sprue.

I think the dislike for the price isn't so much about not being able to afford it, but rather refusing to pay that much money for a small piece of plastic.

However I do understand that it's an awful silly price when applied to high schoolers or teenagers who are getting into the hobby for the first time. That is one thing I think they lost quite a lot of when they left blisters behind. It was something when I was 12 to be able to take my scant $5-10 and go to a hobby store and buy a figure or two.

That's not really the case anymore with the exception of those small odd $10 "press fit" mini boxes. You can't realistically build your armies or squads 1-2 minis at a time anymore which is a shame.

I wonder if Primaris Librarians will be able to take Gravis armor. The Captain from the starter seems like he'd look pretty good with a Force Staff in place of a power sword.

A Primaris Captain costs, in my country, 74$heep.
That cost is the same as 2x premium grade steak meals.
It is the same as 1/6 my homes rent. Or 1/2 of my 1/3 share.
It is roughly 5 hours of work to afford this.
It is the same as 7x KFC 2pc quarter packs.

*edit
5 hours of work before tax, so 6 hours of work after tax.
And that rent amount is weekly not monthly.

 Elbows wrote:
That's not really the case anymore with the exception of those small odd $10 "press fit" mini boxes. You can't realistically build your armies or squads 1-2 minis at a time anymore which is a shame.

AI do agree with this, although most teens I see don't seem to have a problem swagging mobile phones, games consoles, clothes and other electronics worth hundreds of pounds. I'm not sure 'the good ol days' are particularly relevant.

 Hollow wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
That's not really the case anymore with the exception of those small odd $10 "press fit" mini boxes. You can't realistically build your armies or squads 1-2 minis at a time anymore which is a shame.

AI do agree with this, although most teens I see don't seem to have a problem swagging mobile phones, games consoles, clothes and other electronics worth hundreds of pounds. I'm not sure 'the good ol days' are particularly relevant.

It should tell you something that parents are more willing to fork out £500 for a games console plus £30-£50 every other month for a new game than expend £25 on a box of tactical marines and £20 of arts & crafts related materials at about the same rate.

 Crimson wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
They absolutely do have their downsides, but plastic has it's own downsides, there's a lot of detail it can't portray well, and the plastic kits generally end up being much more visually exaggerated and cartoony in proportions with respect to detail and can't do things like undercuts and other weird geometries well. Metal models were able to do much better detail and realism with things like overlapping armor plate and the like. Looking at the metal and plastic GKT's I've got on hand, the plastic ones are much larger, more customizable, etc but the metal ones are far more lifelike and detailed in the way stuff like armor plate lays on the body and the fine text scrolls on the armor, etc.

Just no. GW's current plastic quality is astounding, and whatever minuscule difference there is in sharpness, it is not really visible once the models are painted.

I can absolutely tell the level of detail difference in most plastic models. There's a reason why the iconography has gotten huge and proportions have increased, along with parts count. This plastic Primaris Captain, if done in metal, would be 1-3 pieces, not two sprues worth. This is because plastic simply cannot do certain things without requiring additional parts, or you get that weird "stretching" look that resembles a videogame model that can't quite pack the right polygon count in and tries to mush over it with textures.

I've got metal and plastic GKT's sitting here on my table. The plastic GKT's all have much larger proportions and detail, the decorative chains are all much larger and blockier, the decorative text over the armor is sharper but much blockier and simpler and gets mushy and stretched as it wraps around angles (such as the legs and edges of shoulderpads), the stormbolter has no muzzles and instead just have a flat surface (where the metal ones have distinct barrels and muzzles), the plastic GKT has more broad flat surfaces in general than the metal, the multi-part nature (both mixing and matching parts and assembling parts together) and very slightly "offness" you get in some instances contrasts with the very organic "completeness" of a monopose metal (making the plastic look in some cases rather awkwardly animated), etc.

Comparing the new plastic Terminator Librarian to the 2008 metal one you can see it even clearer, the plastic one has tons of big flat empty surfaces, looking at things like their backmounted(?) gigantic tomes, there's a huge level of difference in the lavishness and detail, and again things like gunbarrels/muzzles aren't molded on the plastic one (but are converted on for the packaging imagery).

GW has made the models much larger, more dramatically posed, and added lots more *stuff* to the models in recent years in some cases (such as with the CSM Chosen and Tempestus Scions and their absurdly ornate armor), but the difference between a good plastic and good metal/resin model are very noticeable, if for nothing else than the product engineering differences. You get notably different looks with each material. The plastic is very convertible, easy to work with, generally larger and more dynamically posed. The metals are harder to work with, do scratch and whatnot, but for static monopose models they really do both detail and general lifelikeness better.

I'll take plastics all day for most things, but if possible, I really dig metal/resin for centerpiece models.

Whilst I may not like the prices, I certainly like that the characters come in plastic now.

That's fine, let's just acknowledge that they handle different things in different ways is all

Anything that compares the amount of plastic to the price of oil is automatically a lame comparison - the material cost of the plastic in any kit is miniscule, whatever the price per barrel of oil is. The real costs are in the design and production, and taking the risk of cutting the mold for it. There are never going to be many characters bought compared to basic troops.

We get it. You think the price is too high. You're not being forced to buy it. Some won't care and buy it anyway, and others will grumble but buy it anyway. The universe will go on. You already have the ultimate, and only solution you need - you are free to decide not to buy it. If enough people agree with you, maybe prices will come down. Or there will be fewer characters made....

 Elbows wrote:
However I do understand that it's an awful silly price when applied to high schoolers or teenagers who are getting into the hobby for the first time. That is one thing I think they lost quite a lot of when they left blisters behind. It was something when I was 12 to be able to take my scant $5-10 and go to a hobby store and buy a figure or two.

Yeah. That's how I started my first Sisters squad actually, way back when.

Some prices have skyrocketed since I started - especially the characters.

Some others not so much.

My first 40k purchase was in the mid 90's. It was a Space Marine bike. It cost me NZ 20$heep. Now you cannot by them individually anymore but 3x back then would be NZ 60$Sheep and 3x now is also NZ 60$heep.

Remember Oz uses didgiri dollars, but NZ uses $heep. Different countries; different currencies; both pay a lot more than direct UK pound or US dollar conversion.

This will expand the third party industry no doubt.

These stock models are boring anyway.

 44Ronin wrote:
This will expand the third party industry no doubt.

These stock models are boring anyway.

give it a bit of time and I expect to see a number of third party "Prime Marines"

BrianDavion wrote:

 44Ronin wrote:
This will expand the third party industry no doubt.

These stock models are boring anyway.

give it a bit of time and I expect to see a number of third party "Prime Marines"

Conversion parts.

I'd expect a set of elongated legs and maybe new-style torsos to convert normal marines into the restartes to hit the market soon.

Peaty wrote:

Is this the new normal?

Stupid insistance of plastic on everything + standard GW price markup=this.

So, I play Sisters of Battle, and I've never really felt ripped off, despite the high prices.

I do wish that my little metal soldier-girls were less expensive, because then I could buy more of them more frequently, but I really do enjoy painting them, and I've never sat there and said, "well, I wish I hadn't paid $80 for this," afterwords.


At the very least, I'd much rather have my 10 little metal toy soldiers than $80 worth of fine food or drink or the likes.