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No, 8th edition is a lot more tactical than 7th ever was.

While I don't think your question is deserving of some of the snipey replies you've gotten, I do tend to agree completely with an earlier statement "What tactics?" 40k has always been abysmal in that department.

They've gotten rid of a lot of bad and unnecessarily complex rules elements, but at the same time have inexplicably thrown out some essential good elements like vehicle facings. If anything the tactical emphasis seems worse, but that said I haven't played it in some time (have no intention of either), so maybe it plays a little better than it looks on paper.

Complexity =/= tactics.

I find 8e has equivalent, if not more, tactical requirement as the previous editions I have played, thanks to the assault phase changes.

8e is less complex

No, it's less complicated, which isn't a synonym for complex.

Previous editions, 6th and 7th especially, suffered with needless complication for no added complexity. While my experience with 8th isn't sufficient for me to say I consider it more complex yet, it is objectively less complicated, and that's a good thing.

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 ForceChoke wrote:
Do you miss the complexity and tactics of older editions vs the simplified rules of 8th

Honestly I feel like I'm making more tactical decisions in the few games I've played of 8th than I ever did in 7th. Not to say 8th is some grand masters level game but it's far less about crazy ass combos and rules and more about actual maneuvering and how you play your army I feel.

Maybe that's just me, but 7th usually decided a game before the match even started, it was that bad. My group has been playing 8th and every game feels close, with both of us having serious choices to make throughout the game.

 ForceChoke wrote:

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Complexity =/= Tactics or Depth. But then again that was never the point of this was it?

 ForceChoke wrote:
[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius].

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No, you don't get to push back either, that's against the rules. If people are rude to you, you report them for breaking rule 1 and move on, you don't get magically absolved of adhering to board rules because someone else broke them.

Loopstah wrote:
If you didn't play 2nd Edition with vehicle data cards with multiple hit locations, turn measurements, 100x different templates, wargear and mission cards, multiple weapon damage, multiple invulnerable saves, riderless bike missiles and massive variance in stats between models, then you have never played a complex or tactical edition of 40K.

Everything after 2nd has been simple toy soldiers, you might as well all just shout "pew! pew!" and flick the models over with your fingers.

2nd ed wasn't tactical either. The 150 metal hormagaunts were auto-win vs 90% of lists.

 ForceChoke wrote:
That don't understand civility. Some people only get the lesson after you break a jaw or call them out on the harassment. Let me be succint if you attack me I will hit you back. I never swing first because I don't go looking to insult people like a cowardly little bitch. Are we clear?

Quite clear. As per your advice, I am calling you out, and reporting to mods.

Everything is more dangerous, which meams, even without blasts and templates, initial placement is more key than ever before, on top of your characters being vulnerable if you deploy incorrectly.

Vehicle facings is nothing compared to a more tactical game, which really boiled down to "use Melta in the rear armor because everyone and their mother has a way to get a unit there".

Or melta through the front armor, because, you know, melta.

40k has never really had much depth, so there really wasn't much to miss anyways. Worrying about vehicle facings or micro-managing models isn't exactly tactical. The simplicity of 8th is a step in the right direction, but there are definitely some elements that could have been improved upon for flavour and depth.

Always nice to see an OP with half their replies deleted by a mod.

 Selym wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:
That don't understand civility. Some people only get the lesson after you break a jaw or call them out on the harassment. Let me be succint if you attack me I will hit you back. I never swing first because I don't go looking to insult people like a cowardly little bitch. Are we clear?

Quite clear. As per your advice, I am calling you out, and reporting to mods.

Kangaroo court. Mods are now defending harrasment. I stand by the fact. That it's manipulative and harrasment. They had no right to attack me. They have laws against this. You honestly expect me to take the harrasment and do nothing. Love the favortism. Maybe If I was a pillar of the community I would get the same kind of special treatment.


How do you get to attack people and have mods jump to your beck and call. I did nothing but respond to the insult with equal venom that was given.


Now I know the favortism is present in this forum. I will simply block trolls now. Rather then trying to actually ask for basic civility. And no aggressively defending myself from abuse is somthing I am not ashamed of


What I am ashamed of is my fellow members trolling and the response from the mods.

Kangaroo court.

 ForceChoke wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 ForceChoke wrote:
That don't understand civility. Some people only get the lesson after you break a jaw or call them out on the harassment. Let me be succint if you attack me I will hit you back. I never swing first because I don't go looking to insult people like a cowardly little bitch. Are we clear?

Quite clear. As per your advice, I am calling you out, and reporting to mods.

Kangaroo court. Mods are now defending harrasment. I stand by the fact. That it's manipulative and harrasment. They had no right to attack me. They have laws against this. You honestly expect me to take the harrasment and do nothing. Love the favortism. Maybe If I was a pillar of the community I would get the same kind of special treatment.

Again, from your opening post to the board..

 ForceChoke wrote:
Got sick of overzealous mods on B&C makin' BS calls than being arse hats when you call them out on it.

Hope Dakka Dakka's mods aren't dehumanizing fascists. That actually take the time to explain why they block posts.

So it's fair to say, I think, your objectivity on moderation is somewhat out of whack.

For the record, everything you wrote was deserving of the moderation it received, from a somewhat more removed position, but maybe try for becoming a pillar of the community by being less confrontational and more constructive and see if your treatment changes?

RULE #1 is ALL ENCOMPASSING here.

You do NOT get to 'fight fire with fire'.

If you see a post that you think breaks the rules of the site?

REPORT IT, possibly just IGNORE IT, and move on.

And with that, this thread is all done.