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What do you think?

In the Dark Imperium book, there was made mention of Aggressors.

They wear Gravis Armour (Captain and Inceptors wear it as well) and their weapons are Flame Gauntlets, assuming that to be a powerfist with flamers attatched, and some sort of shoulder-mounted missile cannons.

Gravis Armour seems to be the Primaris TEQ, but we'll have to see if we get any 2+ armor bigdudes

GW wants you to recollect your entire Space Marine collection. There will be Terminators and more Uber-Stuff down the line.

Yep, absolutely will be. The Primaris will indeed (over a span of time) be the premier Space Marine force, so they'll be needing Terminators, etc.

I've noticed that, so far, MK X armor is depicted as a modular design. So, you strip armor plates off to create lighter and faster units like the Reivers, and you lock additional armor plates on to create Gravis armor.

Based on this, I expected Gravis armor to be the Terminator suit of the Primaris marines. But, then I noticed that Inceptors are supposed to be wearing Gravis armor too, meaning the Primaris are using their heavy suits in a jump/airborne role.

So... no idea. I guess I'll have to wait to see what this as of yet unseen unit looks like - will it be its own thing entirely, or another modified MK X variant?

Oggthrok wrote:
I've noticed that, so far, MK X armor is depicted as a modular design. So, you strip armor plates off to create lighter and faster units like the Reivers, and you lock additional armor plates on to create Gravis armor.

Based on this, I expected Gravis armor to be the Terminator suit of the Primaris marines. But, then I noticed that Inceptors are supposed to be wearing Gravis armor too, meaning the Primaris are using their heavy suits in a jump/airborne role.

So... no idea. I guess I'll have to wait to see what this as of yet unseen unit looks like - will it be its own thing entirely, or another modified MK X variant?

Is there a source on it being modular? Looking at my own models, I could be inclined to agree with that. It's strange, given that both the Captain and Inceptors are in Gravis armor, apparently, but the design is different. The Captain's is much bulkier and plated, while the Inceptor armor looks like bigger Intercessor/Hellblaster Mk.X armor.

And as for the Reivers, I think they'll be an entirely different variant. It looks too different, as different as you can get when it comes to Marine armor, to be the same.

Terminator armour is too small for chadmarines. They probably will stick to gravis armour. Though I wouldn't bet against GW pulling a rabbit out of their arse fluffwise so they can sell truscale terminators and stop selling the old ones.

I really hope there will be primaris terminators. Gravis is OK, but it's really not the same rules or looks wise. I'm wishing for huge, hulking batllesuits, something like mix of centurion suit and classic indomitus terminator armour.

Isn't that what centurions are? So I imagine they add height to those models and done.

The "modular" nature is likely in part down to GW using 3D CAD systems to design the models, create a library of bits then add/subtract.

Find it hard to imagine there won't be Terminators in this line though

Aye. But id like to see a suit like a more "modern" catapracti suit..

Heavy, brutal armour.

What Primaris marines are getting for now, as I said above, is Aggressors. Gravis-armored doodz with close and long ranged weapons and likely some strong melee.

Gravis is an intermediary armor between Power armor and Terminator armor. Not as heavily armored, just as slow as Terminators. No indication of Deepstrike/Teleport capabilities yet, that wasn't shown in the book.I suspect that's what we're going to have for a while.

If Primaris do get an upgraded Terminator variant thats even bigger than the Gravis suit, that would be just fine. Really give it a reason to be called Tactical Dreadnought Armour.

I have to agree that gravis armor, while cool-- interesting visual design to be sure!-- just isn't as cool as terminator armor.

There will be Primaris EVERYTHING.

Angry Rhinos forever!

What would their stat line look like?

S5 T4 W3 Sv 2+

Catapracti based suits may work.

Larger suits for custodious exist. Some Primarchs have modified similar style of suits.
So back in 30k catapracti seems to be more flexible, as they could be made to fit the taller custodious, its only a case of making a more modern version to primus scale.

 Thadin wrote:

Is there a source on it being modular? Looking at my own models, I could be inclined to agree with that. It's strange, given that both the Captain and Inceptors are in Gravis armor, apparently, but the design is different. The Captain's is much bulkier and plated, while the Inceptor armor looks like bigger Intercessor/Hellblaster Mk.X armor..

Kinda-sorta, they seem to be saying it. For exampl when Reivers appeared on the Warhammer community page, they said:

"Stripped down Mk X armour allows for a good look at how this newest mark of Space Marine armour functions, with the midsection of the models showing thick bundles of fibrous cabling; this is the mechanical muscle that lets the Reivers punch through concrete,"
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/25/new-primaris-space-marines-and-death-guard-announced/

In a less easy to copy and paste format, last month's white dwarf described the captain's Gravis armor as being MK X armor, and had a detail insert about reinforced plates and an enlarged power plant to handle the additional power requirements.

I'm not sure if it's plug and play, like I'm not sure if you could take a Reiver suit and just lock on the plates to make it Gravis or Interssesor grade, or if it's more like there are numerous options on the same model car. What ever the case, the shared components would sure make maintainence easier for the big and tall shop tech marines.

 jhe90 wrote:
Aye. But id like to see a suit like a more "modern" catapracti suit..

Heavy, brutal armour.

Speaking of modern. What the hell happened to the retrograde attitude of mechanicus? Cawl is all over the place, inventing a sub machine gun heavy bolter, Mk. X armour, reivers, heavy jump suits, gravis armour, a flying land speeder/predator and even improving on the holy no no grail that is plasma technology... I mean isn't he a super heretek at this point? And how has he convinced anyone from any forgeworld, who are super indoctrinated in retrograde rituals, that it is okay to commit the sins of innovation?

I mean, the fact alone that he was allowed to tamper with space marine geeneseed was a big deal in of itself.

PS: yay, post #1k!

 Zewrath wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Aye. But id like to see a suit like a more "modern" catapracti suit..

Heavy, brutal armour.

Speaking of modern. What the hell happened to the retrograde attitude of mechanicus? Cawl is all over the place, inventing a sub machine gun heavy bolter, Mk. X armour, reivers, heavy jump suits, gravis armour, a flying land speeder/predator and even improving on the holy no no grail that is plasma technology... I mean isn't he a super heretek at this point? And how has he convinced anyone from any forgeworld, who are super indoctrinated in retrograde rituals, that it is okay to commit the sins of innovation?

I mean, the fact alone that he was allowed to tamper with space marine geeneseed was a big deal in of itself.

Well, he does have the patronage of Guilleman, one of the Emperor's "sons"
Can't really say no to the son of the Big E, can you?

Maybe they'll expand on that later, and introduce a schism between more traditionalist ad mech and ad mech who sided with Guilleman and Cawl.

 Zewrath wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Aye. But id like to see a suit like a more "modern" catapracti suit..

Heavy, brutal armour.

Speaking of modern. What the hell happened to the retrograde attitude of mechanicus? Cawl is all over the place, inventing a sub machine gun heavy bolter, Mk. X armour, reivers, heavy jump suits, gravis armour, a flying land speeder/predator and even improving on the holy no no grail that is plasma technology... I mean isn't he a super heretek at this point? And how has he convinced anyone from any forgeworld, who are super indoctrinated in retrograde rituals, that it is okay to commit the sins of innovation?

I mean, the fact alone that he was allowed to tamper with space marine geeneseed was a big deal in of itself.

PS: yay, post #1k!

Congrats.

Well he got backing of bobby G, Og son of the Big E, so he not lacking in protection.
Also well who said others did not but where stopped, killed etc. Or did not have the same level of rank to pull resources like Cawl.
The dude has a rolling 30k relic just to carry his relic itmes!

He just happens to have a powerful patron.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Aye. But id like to see a suit like a more "modern" catapracti suit..

Heavy, brutal armour.

Speaking of modern. What the hell happened to the retrograde attitude of mechanicus? Cawl is all over the place, inventing a sub machine gun heavy bolter, Mk. X armour, reivers, heavy jump suits, gravis armour, a flying land speeder/predator and even improving on the holy no no grail that is plasma technology... I mean isn't he a super heretek at this point? And how has he convinced anyone from any forgeworld, who are super indoctrinated in retrograde rituals, that it is okay to commit the sins of innovation?

I mean, the fact alone that he was allowed to tamper with space marine geeneseed was a big deal in of itself.

Well, he does have the patronage of Guilleman, one of the Emperor's "sons"
Can't really say no to the son of the Big E, can you?

Maybe they'll expand on that later, and introduce a schism between more traditionalist ad mech and ad mech who sided with Guilleman and Cawl.

I find it unlikely that they would fuel this conflict with their more conservative customers by implying that primaris are anything but the bees knees to everyone in the Imperium. I expect Primaris models to roll out in an orderly fashion until they reach a point where they can pretend like the old marines don't really matter and primaris marine just becomes regular space marine.

yeah my over all feel is it's a modular system. and proably somewhat plug and play. taking a GUESS we're going to discover that Primaris Marines are extensivly cross trained, and that rather then have a partiuclar role they are locked into, they can swap armor bits around etc to fill differing roles.

For example, we saw some evidance of a demi-company level deployment of Inceptor Marines in Dark Imperium. this would give a Primaris formation a massive strategic flexability, while having a strong tatical specialization.


That said a lack of a 2+ terminator plate option would be kinda dissappointing. I think for the time being we won't get it as GW right now is being careful NOT to obselete any old style marine. and a Primaris Terminator would be hard to make without making termy's obselete over night

 Zewrath wrote:


Speaking of modern. What the hell happened to the retrograde attitude of mechanicus? Cawl is all over the place, inventing a sub machine gun heavy bolter, Mk. X armour, reivers, heavy jump suits, gravis armour, a flying land speeder/predator and even improving on the holy no no grail that is plasma technology... I mean isn't he a super heretek at this point? And how has he convinced anyone from any forgeworld, who are super indoctrinated in retrograde rituals, that it is okay to commit the sins of innovation?

I mean, the fact alone that he was allowed to tamper with space marine geeneseed was a big deal in of itself.

A fine question - I'm working my way through the Dark Imperium, and what we have is, objectively, mega-super-ultimate heresy. An alien witch resurrected a primarchs body, now that resurrected primarch has publicly denied the Emperor's divinity, espoused the efficacy of reason, and endorsed a tech priest who's gluing speeders to land raiders, throwing extra organs into space Marines.

It's just... madness, for the 40k world we know. I have to assume eventually another character with more retrograde views is going to challenge Roboute and Cawl's regime, or we're going to find out something big about just what and who Cawl actually is.

But, I digress.

Eh, saying the Emperor is a god is super heretical to begin with, as the the holy book claiming he's a god (and revered by the Eccleisarchy) was written by Lorgar. Who's a massive traitor and also a demon worshipper.

So really, denying that the Emperor is a god is probably the most loyalist thing you can do. I love that bit of irony in the setting.
All Hail the Man Emperor of Mankind

sounds like Cawl is the leader of a renegade faction. he's kept a low profile for now, but now that he has a patron back whose willing to accept innovations and protect him..

as for denying the Emperor's divinity, space marines already do, Gulliman's just a little more open about it

Maybe they will get the old style terminator rules, 2+ Save on two dice.

I'm 100% sure there will be Primaris Terminators, as well as eventually Primaris Centurions with Primaris Terminators inside of them, so I imagine they will be as big as Imperial Knights.

Primaris Grey Knight Dreadknight. Just wait.

They'll nickname him Little Draigo.