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Just curious, I'm not up to date on the rules yet, but in Battlescribe I cannot take Magnus in a 1k Sons list at the Battalion or Brigade level?

You need to add a SH Auxiliary detachment. LOW's can't be taken in Battalions or Brigades.

Lancelot185 wrote:
You need to add a SH Auxiliary detachment. LOW's can't be taken in Battalions or Brigades.

Thanks. So I'd have to have 2 detachments? A 1k Sons detachment and a SH detachment, correct? Is there anything wrong with that?

Yes, you must take two detachments to bring LOW with your army.

No, there is nothing wrong with that. The battlescribe list building is accurate in the method, its the same as how you would build it 'by hand' from the core rule book.

You can take Auxiliary Detachments of any kind with any army, with the caveat of losing one CP per auxiliary.

EXCEPT for the Superheavy Auxiliary. That costs no CP's and grants you no CP's.

Any aura buffs that your first detachment get, will, if possible through the keywords, also effect your Superheavies. Otherwise LOW units like Guilliman would have all those fancy buffs for units, but be unable to grant them to units in the other detachment. Hopefully that clears up any questions you may have.

Ok, so for Example, that's why Magnus's aura says Thousand Sons. He affects units outside his Detachment as long as they share a key word. And you pay a tax using Command Points as currency on any other detachment. Seems pretty simple enough.

 nintura wrote:
Ok, so for Example, that's why Magnus's aura says Thousand Sons. He affects units outside his Detachment as long as they share a key word. And you pay a tax using Command Points as currency on any other detachment. Seems pretty simple enough.

Correct. The Detatchment sheets will show what different things cost or grant what, and show the units that must be taken to use that detatchment, and what extra units you may take in addition.

Magnus effects all friendly TSons with whichever aura he grants.

As another example, I have a 1410 point list for Ynnari, built as an Outrider (fast attack) detatchment. Battle Forged + Outrider Detatch gets me 4 CP. The last 90 points of my 1500 pt army, is an Elite Auxiliary Detatchment, taking a Vindicare Assassin.
Since I wanted the Vindicare, and it shares no Faction Keywords with my Ynnari army, it needs to be in it's own Auxiliary Detatchment. Taking that Auxiliary costs 1 CP, knocking me down to 3 CP.

 Thadin wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Ok, so for Example, that's why Magnus's aura says Thousand Sons. He affects units outside his Detachment as long as they share a key word. And you pay a tax using Command Points as currency on any other detachment. Seems pretty simple enough.

Correct. The Detatchment sheets will show what different things cost or grant what, and show the units that must be taken to use that detatchment, and what extra units you may take in addition.

Magnus effects all friendly TSons with whichever aura he grants.

As another example, I have a 1410 point list for Ynnari, built as an Outrider (fast attack) detatchment. Battle Forged + Outrider Detatch gets me 4 CP. The last 90 points of my 1500 pt army, is an Elite Auxiliary Detatchment, taking a Vindicare Assassin.
Since I wanted the Vindicare, and it shares no Faction Keywords with my Ynnari army, it needs to be in it's own Auxiliary Detatchment. Taking that Auxiliary costs 1 CP, knocking me down to 3 CP.

*cough* that's still not battle forged

 Thadin wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Ok, so for Example, that's why Magnus's aura says Thousand Sons. He affects units outside his Detachment as long as they share a key word. And you pay a tax using Command Points as currency on any other detachment. Seems pretty simple enough.

Correct. The Detatchment sheets will show what different things cost or grant what, and show the units that must be taken to use that detatchment, and what extra units you may take in addition.

Magnus effects all friendly TSons with whichever aura he grants.

As another example, I have a 1410 point list for Ynnari, built as an Outrider (fast attack) detatchment. Battle Forged + Outrider Detatch gets me 4 CP. The last 90 points of my 1500 pt army, is an Elite Auxiliary Detatchment, taking a Vindicare Assassin.
Since I wanted the Vindicare, and it shares no Faction Keywords with my Ynnari army, it needs to be in it's own Auxiliary Detatchment. Taking that Auxiliary costs 1 CP, knocking me down to 3 CP.

Not to derail the thread, but is this also how you include FW stuff in an army? Like if I wanted to include a Hellforged Contemptor in my TSons army, I would just add a an Aux Support Detachment and use the FW Heretic Astartes listing in Battlescribe? And use the <Thousand Sons> keyword on the dread?

stratigo wrote:

 Thadin wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Ok, so for Example, that's why Magnus's aura says Thousand Sons. He affects units outside his Detachment as long as they share a key word. And you pay a tax using Command Points as currency on any other detachment. Seems pretty simple enough.

Correct. The Detatchment sheets will show what different things cost or grant what, and show the units that must be taken to use that detatchment, and what extra units you may take in addition.

Magnus effects all friendly TSons with whichever aura he grants.

As another example, I have a 1410 point list for Ynnari, built as an Outrider (fast attack) detatchment. Battle Forged + Outrider Detatch gets me 4 CP. The last 90 points of my 1500 pt army, is an Elite Auxiliary Detatchment, taking a Vindicare Assassin.
Since I wanted the Vindicare, and it shares no Faction Keywords with my Ynnari army, it needs to be in it's own Auxiliary Detatchment. Taking that Auxiliary costs 1 CP, knocking me down to 3 CP.

*cough* that's still not battle forged

It is battleforged. I don't know where your information's coming from, because mine is coming from Page 240 of the Hardback Core rulebook for 8th edition. "If a mission you are playing instructs you to select a Battle-fored army, it means you must organize all the units in your army into detatchments.

An army can include any number of Detatchments and you can mix them together however you like."

Where, in what I just described, would prevent my list from being Battle-Forged?

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Not to derail the thread, but is this also how you include FW stuff in an army? Like if I wanted to include a Hellforged Contemptor in my TSons army, I would just add a an Aux Support Detachment and use the FW Heretic Astartes listing in Battlescribe? And use the <Thousand Sons> keyword on the dread?

I am unsure on Forge World specifics, there are likely people who know more than I on that subject.

As far as my knowledge goes. Your TSons army has the Chaos and [Thousand Sons] Keywords. Because your detatchment has the Chaos keyword, you can include the Dreadnought in your TSons detatchment, unless there are specific things about Chaos list building I don't know about.

And, one part im unsure of. If you can make certain units to have TSons keyword, as it has certain effects to it? Again, I'm unsure and there's people who know this subject better. I'm not well-versed on the Chaos side of things.

 Thadin wrote:

stratigo wrote:

 Thadin wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Ok, so for Example, that's why Magnus's aura says Thousand Sons. He affects units outside his Detachment as long as they share a key word. And you pay a tax using Command Points as currency on any other detachment. Seems pretty simple enough.

Correct. The Detatchment sheets will show what different things cost or grant what, and show the units that must be taken to use that detatchment, and what extra units you may take in addition.

Magnus effects all friendly TSons with whichever aura he grants.

As another example, I have a 1410 point list for Ynnari, built as an Outrider (fast attack) detatchment. Battle Forged + Outrider Detatch gets me 4 CP. The last 90 points of my 1500 pt army, is an Elite Auxiliary Detatchment, taking a Vindicare Assassin.
Since I wanted the Vindicare, and it shares no Faction Keywords with my Ynnari army, it needs to be in it's own Auxiliary Detatchment. Taking that Auxiliary costs 1 CP, knocking me down to 3 CP.

*cough* that's still not battle forged

It is battleforged. I don't know where your information's coming from, because mine is coming from Page 240 of the Hardback Core rulebook for 8th edition. "If a mission you are playing instructs you to select a Battle-fored army, it means you must organize all the units in your army into detatchments.

An army can include any number of Detatchments and you can mix them together however you like."

Where, in what I just described, would prevent my list from being Battle-Forged?

IIRC they must all share a keyword too (beyond infantry i.e., but rather <chapter>/imperium, etc)

 Wolfblade wrote:


IIRC they must all share a keyword too (beyond infantry i.e., but rather <chapter>/imperium, etc)

You are correct, internally for the Detatchment. As far as I can see, it does not apply to the entire Battle-Forged Army.

 Thadin wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:


IIRC they must all share a keyword too (beyond infantry i.e., but rather <chapter>/imperium, etc)

You are correct, internally for the Detatchment. As far as I can see, it does not apply to the entire Battle-Forged Army.

If you're doing Matched Play, it applies. I'm just looking at the leaked pdf on my phone from work, so not sure if it applies to the other Play types in any way, but for Matched Play it's on the page with the heading "Choose Armies."


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 Prometheum5 wrote:

 Thadin wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Ok, so for Example, that's why Magnus's aura says Thousand Sons. He affects units outside his Detachment as long as they share a key word. And you pay a tax using Command Points as currency on any other detachment. Seems pretty simple enough.

Correct. The Detatchment sheets will show what different things cost or grant what, and show the units that must be taken to use that detatchment, and what extra units you may take in addition.

Magnus effects all friendly TSons with whichever aura he grants.

As another example, I have a 1410 point list for Ynnari, built as an Outrider (fast attack) detatchment. Battle Forged + Outrider Detatch gets me 4 CP. The last 90 points of my 1500 pt army, is an Elite Auxiliary Detatchment, taking a Vindicare Assassin.
Since I wanted the Vindicare, and it shares no Faction Keywords with my Ynnari army, it needs to be in it's own Auxiliary Detatchment. Taking that Auxiliary costs 1 CP, knocking me down to 3 CP.

Not to derail the thread, but is this also how you include FW stuff in an army? Like if I wanted to include a Hellforged Contemptor in my TSons army, I would just add a an Aux Support Detachment and use the FW Heretic Astartes listing in Battlescribe? And use the <Thousand Sons> keyword on the dread?

It shares the faction keyword Chaos, and as such can go directly into the same detachment with your Thousand Sons.

Alright, I see now. Thanks for correcting me. Good thing I havent used that Ynnari list yet anyways.

As far as my knowledge goes. Your TSons army has the Chaos and [Thousand Sons] Keywords. Because your detatchment has the Chaos keyword, you can include the Dreadnought in your TSons detatchment, unless there are specific things about Chaos list building I don't know about.

And, one part im unsure of. If you can make certain units to have TSons keyword, as it has certain effects to it? Again, I'm unsure and there's people who know this subject better. I'm not well-versed on the Chaos side of things.

Ok, so everything runs on keywords. So if 1k Sons have Chaos and Thousand Sons, then they can still take stuff from the chaos dex even though it's stuff that says 1k Sons cannot take, they just don't benefit from say Magnus's aura. Correct? Stuff like the Raptors?