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Made in us
Clousseau





East Bay, Ca, US

Hi Everyone,

Toying around with making a 2000 point grey knight list for an upcoming tournament.

Detachment: Spearhead
HQ: Kaldor Draigo; gate + purge

Heavy: Nemesis Dreadknight; Heavy psycannon, gatling psilencer; gate
Heavy: Purgation Squad; 4x Incinerator; gate
Heavy: Purgation Squad; 4x Psilencer; gate

Elite: 5x Paladins; Falchions; hammerhand
Elite: 5x Paladins; Falchions; hammerhand

Flyer: Storm Raven gunship, multi-melta, bolter sponsons, assault cannons
Flyer: Storm Raven gunship, multi-melta, bolter sponsons, assault cannons

Transport: Razorback; Twin Heavy Flamer, Hunter Killer, storm bolter.

Psilencer purgators riding in razorback
purgation squad in storm raven 1
5x paladins in storm raven 2
Draigo + paladins in deep strike
NDK on table, no teleporter

2000 points on the nose.

Thanks for feedback :-)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/12 17:28:33


 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
Made in us
Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter






Dimmamar

Why are you DS-ing anyone? They can all fit into the Ravens, which allows for fewer deploy drops.

Get the 10pts for the NDK teleport and DS him in.

I'd much rather have more bolter shots on the Purgators than a few extra Pallies. Drop one from each squad and you can fill out one Purgation squad.

The problem with the NDK is that he's bad at hitting in general (3+ for our biggest thing??), and when moving he gets even worse. Have you looked at the Doomglaive Dreads? Better at hitting, same attacks, same damage, almost same shooting weapons. AND it can catch a riiiiide.

LVO 2017 - Best GK Player

The Grimdark Future 8500 1500 6000 2000 5000


"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21 
   
Made in us
Clousseau





East Bay, Ca, US

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Why are you DS-ing anyone? They can all fit into the Ravens, which allows for fewer deploy drops.

Get the 10pts for the NDK teleport and DS him in.

I'd much rather have more bolter shots on the Purgators than a few extra Pallies. Drop one from each squad and you can fill out one Purgation squad.

The problem with the NDK is that he's bad at hitting in general (3+ for our biggest thing??), and when moving he gets even worse. Have you looked at the Doomglaive Dreads? Better at hitting, same attacks, same damage, almost same shooting weapons. AND it can catch a riiiiide.


I wanted to deep strike Draigo so he can provide a reroll hit buff to the ravens when they fly forward. I want to make that first alpha strike count as much as possible. If he's embarked he can't dismount the turn the Raven moves forward. And, he'd be fairly safe, if i placed him in between two Ravens. It would be impossible to charge Draigo, because they'd be within 1" of the Raven's base.

I don't have the Doomglaive pattern dreadnought. Is it FW? Because it is highly likely that FW will be banned from the event entirely. In place of the Doomglaive I could take a venerable dread with an assault cannon and a heavy flamer.

Another option would be 1 squad of Paladins, and then I could fill up the other raven with more PAGK. Rather than going with a 10 man Purgation Squad, I could go with a 5 man strike, for an extra special weapon, like a 5th incinerator. That'd be 5D6 strength 6 hits if they disembark from the Raven.

 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
Made in us
Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter






Dimmamar

Ok the Draigo placement is a good idea. I'm stealing that

It's easy to build your own Doomglaive, just use a regular DCW and a multimelta (or buy the FW psycan arm for a regular dread). The stats are in Battlescribe if you wanna take a look. At 180pts, he's WS2+ BS2+ with an incinerator and a heavy psycan. Fun stuff to jump out of a Raven with.

An additional incinerator sounds great. However, I cannot stress enough the potential of Gating a full Purgation squad into the enemy backfield, in cover, and ripping apart an enemy infantry squad or two.

LVO 2017 - Best GK Player

The Grimdark Future 8500 1500 6000 2000 5000


"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21 
   
Made in us
Clousseau





East Bay, Ca, US

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
Ok the Draigo placement is a good idea. I'm stealing that

It's easy to build your own Doomglaive, just use a regular DCW and a multimelta (or buy the FW psycan arm for a regular dread). The stats are in Battlescribe if you wanna take a look. At 180pts, he's WS2+ BS2+ with an incinerator and a heavy psycan. Fun stuff to jump out of a Raven with.

An additional incinerator sounds great. However, I cannot stress enough the potential of Gating a full Purgation squad into the enemy backfield, in cover, and ripping apart an enemy infantry squad or two.


Hehe sounds good I haven't play tested it yet, though, just fyi. It could be a bad idea, who knows.

I checked him out - he's a beast for his point cost. But, most FW is. I could easily run an Autocannon or Assault cannon as a Psycannon, and a heavy flamer as an incinerator. He's really good. I might have to factor him in, especially if FW is allowed. Thanks for the tip!

I see what you're saying - 10 purgators with 4 psilencers is 48 dice - which is a nasty handful, lol. Would you recommend ditching the razor? I think of dropping that in with gate in some cover, so it could move + flamer next turn. At least that's the idea. Or i could put an assault cannon for an extra 12 shots.

I could also drop the gatling psilencer from the dreadknight. It's 20 points for 12 dice.

 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
Made in us
Terrifying Wraith






I agree with replacing the NDK with a Doomglaive. Your Paragons need hammers. It is hands down the strongest loadout for combat. Hammer on Paragons and falchions on the rest. Just running Stormbolters on them is fine.

I think loading the Stormravens to be tank/mc hunters would be a good. You have enough shots from other stuff to deal with infantry and lighter vehicles.

 
   
Made in us
Clousseau





East Bay, Ca, US

So, the Doomglaive is really solid.

If i adjust my list so that I have 1 unit of 6x paladins (5x falchion, 1x Daemon Hammer), and 2x Doomglaive (would be counts-as, might just glue a Nemesis Force Halberd into the hand of a dreadnought! HAH!), I can drop the NDK and still be battle forged.

It leaves me with like 70 points to spend.

I could drop a Paladin and take a squad of 5x Interceptors. Or i could upgrade those psilencers to psycannons.

As it stands right now I only have 4 drops if the Doomglaives hitch a ride. 2 ravens, 1 razorback, and Draigo in reserve... I can taste that +1 now.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/07/13 19:26:26


 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
Made in us
Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter






Dimmamar

If you can somehow game the detachments, getting two squads of 3x Pallies is better than one 6x unit. You get an additional Paragon for the same points (with another hammer), and well as having the tactical flexibility of keeping one of those units in DS just in case (for whatever reason).

As for Razors, I like saying "Lazorback"....but I always take an AssCan. (Which, according to your profile pic, you should be especially into.) "Assaultback" just doesn't sound quite as cool.

LVO 2017 - Best GK Player

The Grimdark Future 8500 1500 6000 2000 5000


"[We have] an inheritance which is beyond the reach of change and decay." 1 Peter 1.4
"With the Emperor there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1.17
“Fear the Emperor; do not associate with those who are given to change.” Proverbs 24.21 
   
Made in us
Clousseau





East Bay, Ca, US

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
If you can somehow game the detachments, getting two squads of 3x Pallies is better than one 6x unit. You get an additional Paragon for the same points (with another hammer), and well as having the tactical flexibility of keeping one of those units in DS just in case (for whatever reason).

As for Razors, I like saying "Lazorback"....but I always take an AssCan. (Which, according to your profile pic, you should be especially into.) "Assaultback" just doesn't sound quite as cool.


I've run two squads of 3 pallies before. Against Daemons it is beyond clutch; against anything else you suffer a bit, because hammerhand only goes on 1 squad, and it's easier for your opponent to get kill points, and with ITC, that's 9 points for 1 squad of 3.

I certainly could split them into 2 squads of 3. Doing that, I wouldn't need a second Doomglaive for force org requirements. That would free up quite a bit of space.

Draigo
Purgation
Purgation
Paladin x3
Paladin x3
Doomglaive
Raven
Raven
Razorback

I'd have like 250 points to spend to enhance that. I could take an astartes librarian in terminator armor for Null Zone, and might of heroes, deep striking** (i said raven originally but you can't cross GK / SM). I could also take some more PAGK, for holding objectives.

But i'm not a huge fan of 3x paladin squads.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/13 21:08:06


 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
Made in us
Terrifying Wraith






Keep the pallies in 5s use the extra points to give hammers to the paragons

 
   
Made in us
Clousseau





East Bay, Ca, US

That's the plan at this point. I'll swap the NDK for a Doomglaive, which will free up about 35 points. I can upgrade both paragons and put an assault cannon on the Razorback.

I like the list, we'll see how it does.

 Galas wrote:
I remember when Marmatag was a nooby, all shiney and full of joy. How playing the unbalanced mess of Warhammer40k in a ultra-competitive meta has changed you

Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
 
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