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Made in au
Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot





Perth

.... in a tournament setting. As in, I realise there are hard counters to this list, but in a competitive setting hard counters wont do well against the rest of the lists. So I need to know what tournament lists will be able to beat this while also holding their own against the rest of the nasty lists.

It will struggle with stormtalon spam, IG HWT spam and hordes in general. I hope to turtle against fast CC and blow up the transports early. Once stuff is footslogging I have the range and dakka to kill them before they get to me (with any luck). This will work well against Magnus/renegade knights, IK's, DE raider spam, Marines parking lot, DS scion spam. I play against the hordes mostly, so I don't have much actual playtime against the elite lists, so I need help tearing this list to shreds. I'm playing a tournament in a few months, and its straight up 8th with FAQ's, no ITC rulings. 2k points, 3 detachments allowed.

Spearhead:
1x Toholk
1x Stalker
20x Warriors
1x Ghost Ark
9x Scarabs
9x Scarabs
1x Tesseract Ark w/ TC
1x Sypder w/ FCA
1x Doomsday Ark

Super-heavy Aux:
1x Gauss Pylon

Toholk gives a 30% chance of seizing the initiative, (rerolls failed seizes, which is my answer to Stormtalon spam ). Him and the spyder means the pylon gets 2d3 wounds back per turn, and the spyder has the option to repair other vehicles aswell. The spyder also replenishes the scarabs, who provide a massive footprint removing DS threats to my heavy hitters.

The TA is a midfield threat, with a fleshbane flamer, tesla cannon, 5++ naturally, anti charge defense and a big gun. It can grab objectives while still putting out alot of damage, and has living metal and QS to keep it safe (I'm assuming most of the enemies big guns will be pointed at the pylon).

The DDA and pylon are in a back corner, the 72" & 120" ranges mean they hit the whole board while remaining relatively safe due to being out of range of alot of big guns. They have scarabs and spyder for countercharge/ area denial, and the pylon gives everything a 5++, meaning the scarabs are more durable than standard.

I swapped the Deciever for a stalker. Its RR of 1's is a better counter to all the flyer spam I feel will be in the meta. It also means a 3rd flyer will be dead/close to death a turn, vs the Deciever only threatening them in CC (which is highly unlikely).i can venture the stalker out against certain armies but I can give it a scarab screen as the match dictates.

Grand Illusion is good, but if I blinked the 20 warriors and GA with Toholk up the board, they are unsupported and also I lose Toholk's ability to buff a vehicles living metal ability while putting him in danger of giving slay the warlord.

Im scared of DS genestealer blobs, but they will need to eat the chaff units first (I can turtle to protect the big stuff while they put out the hurt), if the scarabs survive (they have a 5++ due to the pylon) the close range dakka from the DDA, TA and pylon is even more brutal than the long range.

Finally, I can keep the pylon in DS T1 if i feel it needs extra protection, and it doesn't suffer any penalty to shooting as its a macro weapon not heavy.

DS scions will have face scarabs and warriors before even thinking of being in range of my vehicles, and wont put out enough damage to kill scarabs/warriors before they are dead, and the spyder and GA will replenish what was lost.

Only question, should I run a Gauss sentry pylon or a stalker?

Please be ultra critical, this is my first tournament.

This message was edited 8 times. Last update was at 2017/07/16 17:39:35


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I swapped the Deciever for a stalker. Its +1 is a better counter to all the flyer spam I feel will be in the meta.

The Triarch Stalker lets Necron units re-roll to hit rolls of 1. It never gives +1 to hit.

Im scared of DS genestealer blobs, but they will need to eat the chaff units first (I can turtle to protect the big stuff while they put out the hurt), if the scarabs survive (they have a 5++ due to the pylon) the close range dakka from the DDA, TA and pylon is even more brutal than the long range.

Tbh, because the Gauss Pylon is toughness 8 only a few weapons will be able to hit it let alone damage it. It also cannot be stuck in CC so even if it is charged it can still shoot its full 120" or its 3/2/1d6 pistol shots. DS it on your opponents side and watch them shot all their dice at your toughness 8 Titan while your other units "slowly" push up the board dishing out the damage.

I have a Youtube. Rage Against The Imperium. Here is the link if you are interested - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0WxDMsMyI7WcChiSfApB4Q

Necrons - Legion of The Silent King - [756-809 PL, 15038-16076pts]
Spoiler:

Unbound Army (Faction) (Necrons)
HQ
Anrakyr the Traveller
Catacomb Command Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe - 3
Cryptek
Selections: Canoptek Cloak, Staff of Light - 2
Cryptek
Selections: Chronometron, Staff of Light - 3
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Staff of Light
Illuminor Szeras
Imotekh the Stormlord
Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Orikan the Diviner
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Voidscythe
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Warscythe - 3
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Staff of Light
Overlord
Selections: Hyperphase Sword, Resurrection Orb
Trazyn the Infinite
Vargard Obyron

Troops

Immortals
Selections: Gauss Blaster, 15x Immortal
Immortals
Selections: 15x Immortal, Tesla Carbine
Immortals
Necron Warriors
Selections: 100x Necron Warrior
Necron Warriors

Elites

C'tan Shard of the Deceiver
C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer
Canoptek Tomb Stalker
Deathmarks
Selections: 25x Deathmark
Flayed Ones
Selections: 20x Flayed One
Lychguard
Selections: Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, 10x Lychguard
Lychguard
Selections: 6x Lychguard, Warscythe
Triarch Praetorians
Selections: Rod of Covenant, 10x Triarch Praetorian
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Heat Ray*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Particle Shredder*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon*

Fast Attack

Canoptek Scarabs
Selections: 63x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
Canoptek Scarabs
Canoptek Tomb Sentinel
Canoptek Wraiths
Selections: 3x Canoptek Wraith
Canoptek Wraiths
3x Canoptek Wraith w/ Transdimensional Beamer
Selections: 3x Transdimensional Beamer
6x Canoptek Wraith w/ Whip Coils
Selections: 6x Whip Coils
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Tomb Blades
Selections: Shadowloom, Shieldvanes
Two Gauss Blasters - 9
Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon - 3*
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
3x Heavy Destroyer
Monolith
Tesseract Ark
Two Tesla Cannons
Selections: 2x Tesla Cannon
Transcendent C'tan

Flyer
Doom Scythe - 4*
Night Scythe - 4*


Dedicated Transport
Ghost Ark - 3*

Lord of War
Gauss Pylon
Obelisk

* - This unit is magnetized so can be either model e.g. Doomscythe or Nightscythe
 
   
Made in au
Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot





Perth

 Odrankt wrote:
I swapped the Deciever for a stalker. Its +1 is a better counter to all the flyer spam I feel will be in the meta.

The Triarch Stalker lets Necron units re-roll to hit rolls of 1. It never gives +1 to hit.

Im scared of DS genestealer blobs, but they will need to eat the chaff units first (I can turtle to protect the big stuff while they put out the hurt), if the scarabs survive (they have a 5++ due to the pylon) the close range dakka from the DDA, TA and pylon is even more brutal than the long range.

Tbh, because the Gauss Pylon is toughness 8 only a few weapons will be able to hit it let alone damage it. It also cannot be stuck in CC so even if it is charged it can still shoot its full 120" or its 3/2/1d6 pistol shots. DS it on your opponents side and watch them shot all their dice at your toughness 8 Titan while your other units "slowly" push up the board dishing out the damage.


Thanks, I edited the post, was getting confused with 7th ed rule lol.

I feel deepstriking in the thing we 100% need to keep alive is suicide against alot of opponents. Think about it, against tyranids, not only can the genestealers rend, but they put out a bucketload of attacks. T8 can be hurt by them and when they roll 6's they will do damage. Also realise that DS GS squads will be backed up by carnifex's, swarmlords etc. I wouldnt last a round. However, if i sit it at the farthest point in the game, use its range to blast their big scaries off the board I will have many more turns shooting.

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I feel deepstriking in the thing we 100% need to keep alive is suicide against a lot of opponents
on a 4+ if it explodes it could also deal D6 Mortal Wounds to every unit within 6 inches which is a lot of damage even if suicidal.

Against list like the one you mentioned it is better to deploy it in your zone just don't feel like that is the only tactic that will work.

Only question, should I run a Gauss sentry pylon or a stalker?
Would you rather re-roll 1s at a specific target e.g. Magnus, Lord of Change, Knight or another anti-air unit.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/07/16 18:13:24


I have a Youtube. Rage Against The Imperium. Here is the link if you are interested - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0WxDMsMyI7WcChiSfApB4Q

Necrons - Legion of The Silent King - [756-809 PL, 15038-16076pts]
Spoiler:

Unbound Army (Faction) (Necrons)
HQ
Anrakyr the Traveller
Catacomb Command Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe - 3
Cryptek
Selections: Canoptek Cloak, Staff of Light - 2
Cryptek
Selections: Chronometron, Staff of Light - 3
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Staff of Light
Illuminor Szeras
Imotekh the Stormlord
Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Orikan the Diviner
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Voidscythe
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Warscythe - 3
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Staff of Light
Overlord
Selections: Hyperphase Sword, Resurrection Orb
Trazyn the Infinite
Vargard Obyron

Troops

Immortals
Selections: Gauss Blaster, 15x Immortal
Immortals
Selections: 15x Immortal, Tesla Carbine
Immortals
Necron Warriors
Selections: 100x Necron Warrior
Necron Warriors

Elites

C'tan Shard of the Deceiver
C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer
Canoptek Tomb Stalker
Deathmarks
Selections: 25x Deathmark
Flayed Ones
Selections: 20x Flayed One
Lychguard
Selections: Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, 10x Lychguard
Lychguard
Selections: 6x Lychguard, Warscythe
Triarch Praetorians
Selections: Rod of Covenant, 10x Triarch Praetorian
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Heat Ray*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Particle Shredder*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon*

Fast Attack

Canoptek Scarabs
Selections: 63x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
Canoptek Scarabs
Canoptek Tomb Sentinel
Canoptek Wraiths
Selections: 3x Canoptek Wraith
Canoptek Wraiths
3x Canoptek Wraith w/ Transdimensional Beamer
Selections: 3x Transdimensional Beamer
6x Canoptek Wraith w/ Whip Coils
Selections: 6x Whip Coils
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Tomb Blades
Selections: Shadowloom, Shieldvanes
Two Gauss Blasters - 9
Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon - 3*
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
3x Heavy Destroyer
Monolith
Tesseract Ark
Two Tesla Cannons
Selections: 2x Tesla Cannon
Transcendent C'tan

Flyer
Doom Scythe - 4*
Night Scythe - 4*


Dedicated Transport
Ghost Ark - 3*

Lord of War
Gauss Pylon
Obelisk

* - This unit is magnetized so can be either model e.g. Doomscythe or Nightscythe
 
   
Made in au
Battle-tested Knight Castellan Pilot





Perth

I cant see many situations where DS it into my enemy's deployment zone will be possible, not only its dangerous against most lists, but its footprint is huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge

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Made in ie
Deranged Necron Destroyer





 Klowny wrote:
I cant see many situations where DS it into my enemy's deployment zone will be possible, not only its dangerous against most lists, but its footprint is huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge
DS near their end zone or on an objective and deny your opponent from letting them get it. also, I think if the GP is DSing your opponent has to move their models to make room for it. Not sure where I read that tbh but it seems like it was recently.

I have a Youtube. Rage Against The Imperium. Here is the link if you are interested - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0WxDMsMyI7WcChiSfApB4Q

Necrons - Legion of The Silent King - [756-809 PL, 15038-16076pts]
Spoiler:

Unbound Army (Faction) (Necrons)
HQ
Anrakyr the Traveller
Catacomb Command Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon, Warscythe - 3
Cryptek
Selections: Canoptek Cloak, Staff of Light - 2
Cryptek
Selections: Chronometron, Staff of Light - 3
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Destroyer Lord
Selections: Staff of Light
Illuminor Szeras
Imotekh the Stormlord
Lord
Selections: Warscythe
Nemesor Zahndrekh
Orikan the Diviner
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Voidscythe
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Warscythe - 3
Overlord
Selections: Resurrection Orb, Staff of Light
Overlord
Selections: Hyperphase Sword, Resurrection Orb
Trazyn the Infinite
Vargard Obyron

Troops

Immortals
Selections: Gauss Blaster, 15x Immortal
Immortals
Selections: 15x Immortal, Tesla Carbine
Immortals
Necron Warriors
Selections: 100x Necron Warrior
Necron Warriors

Elites

C'tan Shard of the Deceiver
C'tan Shard of the Nightbringer
Canoptek Tomb Stalker
Deathmarks
Selections: 25x Deathmark
Flayed Ones
Selections: 20x Flayed One
Lychguard
Selections: Hyperphase Sword and Dispersion Shield, 10x Lychguard
Lychguard
Selections: 6x Lychguard, Warscythe
Triarch Praetorians
Selections: Rod of Covenant, 10x Triarch Praetorian
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Heat Ray*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Particle Shredder*
Triarch Stalker
Selections: Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon*

Fast Attack

Canoptek Scarabs
Selections: 63x Canoptek Scarab Swarm
Canoptek Scarabs
Canoptek Tomb Sentinel
Canoptek Wraiths
Selections: 3x Canoptek Wraith
Canoptek Wraiths
3x Canoptek Wraith w/ Transdimensional Beamer
Selections: 3x Transdimensional Beamer
6x Canoptek Wraith w/ Whip Coils
Selections: 6x Whip Coils
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Destroyers
5x Destroyer
Selections: 5x Gauss Cannon
Tomb Blades
Selections: Shadowloom, Shieldvanes
Two Gauss Blasters - 9
Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge
Selections: Gauss Cannon - 3*
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Canoptek Spyder
Selections: Fabricator Claw Array, Gloom Prism
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
3x Heavy Destroyer
Monolith
Tesseract Ark
Two Tesla Cannons
Selections: 2x Tesla Cannon
Transcendent C'tan

Flyer
Doom Scythe - 4*
Night Scythe - 4*


Dedicated Transport
Ghost Ark - 3*

Lord of War
Gauss Pylon
Obelisk

* - This unit is magnetized so can be either model e.g. Doomscythe or Nightscythe
 
   
 
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