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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/16 22:58:50
Subject: Index Only League
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Would your group agree to play for 8th using indexes only?
New models are supposed to come with rules sheets so new stuff should be covered.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/16 23:54:31
Subject: Re:Index Only League
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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The new stuff will be balanced for the codexes, as per GW's stated intent to assume we're using the most up-to-date materials. And GW will happily invalidate the indexes by making the codexes more powerful (necessary for the addition of options and CT's, but whatever). Meaning that newly released datasheets will not fit an index meta.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 00:13:40
Subject: Index Only League
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Norn Queen
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This would be no different to running a league in 7th saying "No Tau-Eldar allies" or "No Grey Knights" or forcing people to use the 3rd edition Dark Eldar Codex instead of the 7th edition one.
All in all I don't see this ever really becoming a "thing". It might be "upsetting", but we all dealt with it when 3rd came around, we can deal with it now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 00:19:25
Subject: Index Only League
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Do I think you could run an event for Index Only use? Sure, but as codices come out --- this market will shrink as the new "hotness" comes out. Also you're invalidating most Primaris players as half of their soon-to-be army is in the new Codex (and more after that).
I like the idea personally and I am considering picking up more indexes in case they disappear once codices arrive. It's a great and cheap way for people to run a bunch of random armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 00:44:38
Subject: Index Only League
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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People that assume that Codexes are gonna be more powerfull than indexes just doesn't know GW.
GW don't do powercreep. They aren't good enough at rulewritting to do that. The power of something is totally random. Somethimes a new codex/unit/faction is OP at release, other time is just totally underpowered. Many times old models are the most OP thing in all one edition (Scaterlases)
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 00:46:13
Subject: Re:Index Only League
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Given that, assuming GW does release the codices at a rate of 2 a month and maintains that rate all the way through, we will have the codices for every faction out by this time next year, I would say no. There is no reason to punish other players and prevent them from playing with their newest toys and most up to date rules just because your rules aren't out yet. Would you have told a Tau player that you wouldn't let them play in your league unless they used the 4th edition codex cause you didn't like Riptides? Would you have told a Necron player that they can't use their 7th codex and are stuck with their 5th edition codex cause you felt that Decurion was unbalanced? You don't get to determine what rules other people use; you can certainly say no to games against armies with a codex while you're stuck with an index, but denying players games on the basis that they're using their most up to date rules is gonna lead to very very few games for you.
Everyone should have a codex by the end of summer next year. That kind of speed in releases is unprecedented by GW, and frankly I'm perfectly content to use an Index until I get a release. The wait won't be that long.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 00:50:16
Subject: Index Only League
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Personally? No, at least not till I know something about the codices. I find this codex panic silly. We have no idea what balance issues will even occur.
Plus, as I again constantly reiterate, indices aren't some holy grail of balance. The indices are not particularly well balanced, not to the point it's worth trying to exclude the codices to preserve it. If you wanna build a custom league designed to balance things go for it. But don't pretend a hypothetical indices only is anything but an arbitrary limitation that likely won't even improve balance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 00:56:55
Subject: Index Only League
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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SilverAlien wrote:Personally? No, at least not till I know something about the codices. I find this codex panic silly. We have no idea what balance issues will even occur.
If GW's history is anything to go by, it will be an utter nightmare for 40k fans all over again.
The apprehension and skepticism is understandable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 01:11:37
Subject: Index Only League
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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As long as not every army has its codex yet? Yes.
After each army gets updated with its codex? No. Automatically Appended Next Post: Selym wrote:SilverAlien wrote:Personally? No, at least not till I know something about the codices. I find this codex panic silly. We have no idea what balance issues will even occur.
If GW's history is anything to go by, it will be an utter nightmare for 40k fans all over again.
The apprehension and skepticism is understandable.
It it is going to be an utter nightmare, then why are you still here? Might want to tone down the hyperbole a bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 01:25:32
Subject: Index Only League
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Elbows wrote:Do I think you could run an event for Index Only use? Sure, but as codices come out --- this market will shrink as the new "hotness" comes out. Also you're invalidating most Primaris players as half of their soon-to-be army is in the new Codex (and more after that).
I like the idea personally and I am considering picking up more indexes in case they disappear once codices arrive. It's a great and cheap way for people to run a bunch of random armies.
The approach wouldn't invalidate the Primaris, though. Each box of new models will come with the required dataslates.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BaconCatBug wrote:This would be no different to running a league in 7th saying "No Tau-Eldar allies" or "No Grey Knights" or forcing people to use the 3rd edition Dark Eldar Codex instead of the 7th edition one.
All in all I don't see this ever really becoming a "thing". It might be "upsetting", but we all dealt with it when 3rd came around, we can deal with it now.
We dealt with it in 3rd by buying 4th. Automatically Appended Next Post: SilverAlien wrote:Personally? No, at least not till I know something about the codices. I find this codex panic silly. We have no idea what balance issues will even occur...
This is not about codex 'panic'. I'm just asking if people's groups would be open to the idea of accepting 8th edition as it currently exists as the totality (using new dataslates as they come out).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 01:37:34
Subject: Index Only League
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Repentia Mistress
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I know the main mine would be down with that (small circle of close friends) we're all in that phase of our lives where getting the latest anf greatest is financially foolish and detrimental to our families. We grabbed the indecis because they were an absolute bargain for having multiple armies in them for so cheap and we share them around.
We have no intention of dumping more money on codeci when the indeci are perfectly playable anf let us play everything we have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 03:36:35
Subject: Index Only League
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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privateer4hire wrote:SilverAlien wrote:Personally? No, at least not till I know something about the codices. I find this codex panic silly. We have no idea what balance issues will even occur...
This is not about codex 'panic'. I'm just asking if people's groups would be open to the idea of accepting 8th edition as it currently exists as the totality (using new dataslates as they come out)
Wait so you are asking if we all want to eat nothing but flavorless gruel for an interminable amount of time, despite their being a chef willing to give a shot at fixing numerous other significantly more flavorful dishes? For what purpose?
I can't even begin to fathom any reason for this. 8th edition, as it stands, is dull. It is flavorless gruel. Filling and will get you through, but already I'm getting tired of it.
Giantwalkingchair wrote:I know the main mine would be down with that (small circle of close friends) we're all in that phase of our lives where getting the latest anf greatest is financially foolish and detrimental to our families. We grabbed the indecis because they were an absolute bargain for having multiple armies in them for so cheap and we share them around.
We have no intention of dumping more money on codeci when the indeci are perfectly playable anf let us play everything we have.
If you aren't playing at an official GW thing, which you aren't if you are using an index after the respective codex came out, you could just pirate them. Scans will be up within a month. We all do it for the codices we don't personally need for our armies, so we can familiarize ourselves with the rules for everyone else without dropping a grand on books. Does saying this out loud violate some weird taboo?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 04:03:39
Subject: Index Only League
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Flavorless gruel. So your group would be a "no".
I know that the localish group would also be a "no" but I was just curious what others would think about their local player bases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 04:37:47
Subject: Re:Index Only League
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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I think the most realistic answer is to reword the question "whose willing to spend 50 dollars on a book of options and NEVER use them?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 04:41:09
Subject: Index Only League
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Regular Dakkanaut
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privateer4hire wrote:Would your group agree to play for 8th using indexes only?
New models are supposed to come with rules sheets so new stuff should be covered.
I would 100% support an "Index Only" league. Automatically Appended Next Post: GI_Redshirt wrote:Given that, assuming GW does release the codices at a rate of 2 a month and maintains that rate all the way through, we will have the codices for every faction out by this time next year
Has anyone from GW said that will happen?
Does anyone currently sober actually BELIEVE that will happen?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 05:45:00
Subject: Index Only League
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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They're doing 10 before Christmas, which means 2 per month. No telling if they're keeping that pace up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 10:46:54
Subject: Index Only League
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Iron_Captain wrote: Selym wrote:SilverAlien wrote:Personally? No, at least not till I know something about the codices. I find this codex panic silly. We have no idea what balance issues will even occur.
If GW's history is anything to go by, it will be an utter nightmare for 40k fans all over again. The apprehension and skepticism is understandable.
It it is going to be an utter nightmare, then why are you still here? Might want to tone down the hyperbole a bit.
Why are you still here? Same answer, probably. GW's somehow been just different enough to not lose whatever sad saps remain in the 40k fandom.. Somehow. 8th has not been a travesty thus far and, while not particularly good in and of itself, it beats out whatever the feth was going on with 7th by several lightyears. And do note that I said "going by GW's history". It's not a prediction, it's a track record.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 11:34:55
Subject: Index Only League
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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I could see doing it if we had a know release schedule for each codex book. So if all codices will be out by say January, I could see saying, we're not going to use the codices until everyone has one in interest of fairness. Now this assumes that the codicies will be a step up in power for the armies that get them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 12:01:08
Subject: Index Only League
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Damsel of the Lady
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Short answer: no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/07/17 14:34:50
Subject: Index Only League
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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I hope to Khorne that is not the case. There are too many armies to update to even get done within two years. Releasing them all in under two years will barely give the writers time to make content, never mind balance them. They'd not even have the time to spell check the darn things. The best result we can hope for is GW manages this over 2-4 years. Under that, I seriously doubt we will be anywhere near a playable game.
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