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Mostly I miss digital weapons and conversion fields on my company master.

I miss the Scrolls of Magnus and Dirge Casters.

I miss the bonded exoskeleton and enhanced senses and extended carapace. I'm used to option loss.

My Skitarii feel your loss. They weep tears of oil and other lubricants.

Not really, it was only ever used to abuse rules.

Inquisition used to be so cool... the Build-A-Bear workshop of Warhammer 40k.

Alas, now they have nothing to work with.

Yes, very much so.

You will get them back, just wait for the codices. The index is a tool, not the whole set.

I miss the old ork loot any vehicle rules

I miss vortex grenades

On another smaller note, I didn't get into 40k until 3rd so looking at 2nd edition, there are a lot of things that Chaos had which are no longer things.

Why can't Chaos Dreads take any combi-weapon of choice, being stuck with Combi-Bolters? How come Fabulous Bill no longer has varied profiles/different serums for his Xyclos Needler? The codex was so simple yet so comprehensive in making Chaos a truly distinct army, without relying on Dinobots or Princes.

Of course! Tau vehicles lost all access to systems, while battlesuit systems like positional relay, blacksun filter and vectored retro-thrusters are gone.

BUt at least we know relics and warlord traits will be back in our codexes. These stuff... I think I may never see them again :(

 Desubot wrote:
I miss vortex grenades

Ditto. Also Monowheels on Ork characters. Hilarious design concept.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Not really, it was only ever used to abuse rules.

Do you have any examples off the top of your head? I'm genuinely curious as that never happened in our group.

 CthulhuDawg wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Not really, it was only ever used to abuse rules.

Do you have any examples off the top of your head? I'm genuinely curious as that never happened in our group.

The classic example is Nob Warbikers.

How are people still not understanding that this is an Index problem?
The Index is not the final form of your army with all its small parts represented. It is a stop gap, and removing these things is completely expected.

I want my Veil of Darkness, Solar Pulse and Nightmare Shroud back. Those were around since 3rd ed, and now they are gone.
Give me back my shenanigans GW.


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 Purifier wrote:
How are people still not understanding that this is an Index problem?
The Index is not the final form of your army with all its small parts represented. It is a stop gap, and removing these things is completely expected.

True, but I still want it back though. Like, now.

 MagicJuggler wrote:
On another smaller note, I didn't get into 40k until 3rd so looking at 2nd edition, there are a lot of things that Chaos had which are no longer things.

Why can't Chaos Dreads take any combi-weapon of choice, being stuck with Combi-Bolters? How come Fabulous Bill no longer has varied profiles/different serums for his Xyclos Needler? The codex was so simple yet so comprehensive in making Chaos a truly distinct army, without relying on Dinobots or Princes.

Fabius did still have a variable statline until the abomination that was the 4th ed. codex. He certainly had variable ones in the 3 and 3.5 codexes.

 Purifier wrote:
How are people still not understanding that this is an Index problem?
The Index is not the final form of your army with all its small parts represented. It is a stop gap, and removing these things is completely expected.

That doesn't preclude me from missing having rules for them at this moment does it? Thanks for chiming in though.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:

 CthulhuDawg wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Not really, it was only ever used to abuse rules.

Do you have any examples off the top of your head? I'm genuinely curious as that never happened in our group.

The classic example is Nob Warbikers.

Explain please?

 CthulhuDawg wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 CthulhuDawg wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Not really, it was only ever used to abuse rules.

Do you have any examples off the top of your head? I'm genuinely curious as that never happened in our group.

The classic example is Nob Warbikers.

Explain please?

Rules intend for you to remove whole models as you suffer wounds, this is to stop multiwound models keeping full fighting strength and spreading wounds around. In previous editions, you allocated wounds to "pools" based on models with identical wargar. Since you could make Nob Warbikers all different, this let you spread wounds around and keep your unit at maximum potency while other units were losing models and attacks. So say you have 5 Nobs with 2w each, normally taking 5 wounds would mean you've lose 2 Nobs and a whole bucket of attacks, but the wargear options meant you could spread them around and keep 5 wounded, but alive, Nobz.

 Purifier wrote:
How are people still not understanding that this is an Index problem?
The Index is not the final form of your army with all its small parts represented. It is a stop gap, and removing these things is completely expected.

Two points here:

1) We've no idea what will or won't be in the codices. So, whilst it's easy to say that the Indexes aren't the full rules, it's entirely possible that any non-artefact gear won't be coming back at all.

2) A lot of stuff has been removed from my armies *prior* to the index (hence, there's no reason to assume I'll get it back even when the main book drops).

Honestly...no...not at all. Not even a little bit, and I think 8th has way too many.

The game never got better because of thousands of pieces of wargear...

The index is probably just the space for those odd ducks they dont want to chuck into the codex main.

like the imperial space marine or the landraider exelcior or rhino primarus. that wont ever get a release again

possibly even the 30k stuff that has 40k rules like the characters and units in cat and tart armor.

I play T'au, so these days, I just miss. A lot. ;P

I miss when witchblades were upgraded versions of force weapons.

I miss when the lasblaster was a damn good weapon.

I miss when the brightlance was a ranged weapon you could throw onto a character.

 Cothonian wrote:
Inquisition used to be so cool... the Build-A-Bear workshop of Warhammer 40k.

Alas, now they have nothing to work with.

I'm crossing my fingers that when Inqusition, or Imperial Agents or whatever GW decides to call it this edition, comes along with it's codex GW tales the oppertunity to release some plastic inquistor kits with massive options, and redo your chocies as approperate

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 CthulhuDawg wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 CthulhuDawg wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Not really, it was only ever used to abuse rules.

Do you have any examples off the top of your head? I'm genuinely curious as that never happened in our group.

The classic example is Nob Warbikers.

Explain please?

Rules intend for you to remove whole models as you suffer wounds, this is to stop multiwound models keeping full fighting strength and spreading wounds around. In previous editions, you allocated wounds to "pools" based on models with identical wargar. Since you could make Nob Warbikers all different, this let you spread wounds around and keep your unit at maximum potency while other units were losing models and attacks. So say you have 5 Nobs with 2w each, normally taking 5 wounds would mean you've lose 2 Nobs and a whole bucket of attacks, but the wargear options meant you could spread them around and keep 5 wounded, but alive, Nobz.

That had more to do with previous wound allocation rules and not wargear though.

I miss Vortex detonators on my tanks