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Possessed require that you buff them to get anything good out fo them. They're like Warp Talons in that regard - if you don't Warp time Talons the turn they land you're wasting that cancel overwatch ability, so you have to build that into your list when you take ht unit. Same with Possessed, you're gonna want to take Daemon buff to get a +1S and potentially another buff, depending on your mark and Daemon unit selection. They're also gonna be better in some legions than others. WE Possessed are funnily enough pretty good, with +1 A and the option for a second round of attacks in combat. Though why you would pick them over Zerkers isn't clear. Shame as GW are missing an opportunity to do something with interesting with Khorne Possessed. With Tzeentch you can easily get a 4++ save as well as a random choice of +1 A/S/T through the two different sorcery unless (unless they merge the Daemon table with the new Heretic Astartes cult tables). Slaanesh can get a 5+++ and an extra round of attacks in the psychic phase (plus always going first). With Nurgle you can add 1 to wound rolls and potentially o double damage, plus heal wounds (and presumably get models back?)

So if you want to use Possessed you really should be including Daemon buffing units in your list and building it all around them. With the right buffs and spells they can be good, but as they are out the box they're underwhelming.

thanks!

I'm also painting up a squad of Warp Talons,
and as they are daemons also they may prove more effective for the cost than the possessed...

I think you are correct about the synergistic disciplines!

either Talons *OR* Possessed with Hysterical Frenzy
being Warptimed up to charge range looks fun!
3+/5++/5+++
Throw in a herald in the area too, and the Str goes up as well
woooot!

 NOLA Chris wrote:
thanks!

I'm also painting up a squad of Warp Talons,
and as they are daemons also they may prove more effective for the cost than the possessed...

I think you are correct about the synergistic disciplines!

either Talons *OR* Possessed with Hysterical Frenzy
being Warptimed up to charge range looks fun!
3+/5++/5+++
Throw in a herald in the area too, and the Str goes up as well
woooot!

I would think some Heralds would have a hard time keeping up with the Warp Talons. I guess Tzeentch ones could take a Disc and Slaanesh ones could take a Steed, but that means your Warp Talons have to be marked Tzeentch or Slaanesh. I suspect that won't be possible in some legions. Possessed don't have this problem, at least not as much, except perhaps with Nurgle because their heralds are slow moving and can't take a faster mount.

The only units that can't be marked by certain gods are those belonging to a specific god legion (WE, EC, TS, DG). Everything else can take any mark anywhere, Keeping a Herald up with WT's may be difficult, but you have up to 3 turns to get the Herald into pace before you DS the WT's in.

The problem with WT's is you really need to Warp Time them once they land unless you mark them Khorne and gamble on that 9" charge to trigger the no overwatch rule. You only get that the turn they arrive from DS. So you'd best make sure they get into battle. To use Warp Time I dunno if you're gonna need to use a un-marked sorcerer or not. I'm assuming marked sorcerers will have access to the new cult table but we don't know if that means they have to choose all powers from that table or they can mix and match with the Hereticus table. If it's the former then many players will need to have two sorcerers - one cult and one unmarked to be able to pull off proper buff shenanigans with WT's and Possessed.

Assuming you have access to both the regular Hereticus discipline, plus one cult discipline then what you want to look at is Warp Time (for WT's mostly) and Diabolic Strength for the +2 S and +1 A. A single vanilla sorcerer can take both. We only really know a couple cult powers so far (unless they merge the new ones with the index Daemon ones which I suspect they will) so you'd need to pick up a second sorcerer to access what you want from there. The reveals so far have shown us two defensive powers that'd work well on WT's and Possessed but we can expect some offensive stuff too I'm sure. Add in a Herald and perhaps one of the named Daemons (Changeling etc) that offers buffs and you have some hard hitting units.

I initially wrote off Possessed as under-par but after examining all the buffs chaos ar throwing out I've changed my mind. They still need more attacks IMO (a lot of the chaos assault units are woefully low on attacks, think Zerkers sucked up ALL the chaos attacks....!) but marking them Khorne can remedy that. It just means you can't rely on cult power buffs, but the Hereticus ones will still work and you can double assault with Khorne. You'd have to work out how you'd support them to get the most out of them in your list. But don't run them without supporting buffs, they're good enough. They get a lot for their +9pts over CSM, but CSM suck for their price so they're starting from a place of inefficiency to begin with.

Thanks for the input!

Unfortunately I'm running an EmpChildren force, so Slaanesh marks only... but still think I can buff them up enough to be useful.

My idea is to warp Strike them in on a flank,
Deep Strike in a Termie Sorcerer behind them
Cast Warp Time on the Talons (good chance with a CP reroll)
add in one other buff;
...Delightful Agonies?, gives the 3+/5++/5+++
...Prescience for the +1?
move a Herald on Steed up to within 6"
...use congo line if needed to give the Talons the +1 Str
Send in the Talons...

we'll see if it works!