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Hi all.

Newly returned to 40k after a 15+ year hiatus & looking for some guidance on the conversion policy.

I've most recently played Warmachine that had a very strict but well defined conversion policy that allowed me to explore some of my passion for conversion but kept my insanity mostly in check.

40k doesn't seem to have any defined rules on conversion i can find, i want to have heavily converted or in some cases alternative models in my force but still have a fair & tournament legal army.

I have started buying into Chaos Daemons as my main army.

What i'm looking to do is have a machine free army of both Nurgle & Khorne.

Some examples of ideas i want to do are:


Khorne bloodletters rising Choas war hounds as Bloodcrushers

Arachnarok Spider combined with a demon prince for the soul grinder

Skull cannon with a metric tonne of greenstuff + some legs to create more of a biocannon

Slaughter brute/jabberslyth to become either Giant chaos beasts or Spiny choas beasts

Forge World Demon prince with wings + whip to become a bloodthirster.

Glottkin with riders removed & greenstuffed to closer resemble the Great unclean one

I know the no certainty can be gained from conversion ideas, just want some feeback on if these seem reasonable or not?

Thanks,

If you base your conversions on GW/FW products I don't see any problems even when playing at GW stores. My friend uses a lot of Mantic stuff in his armies and I don't have a problem as long as I know what everything is.

As long as your conversions "clearly" represent what they are supposed to be I don't really see any problems with the stuff you listed. Just explain to your opponent what everything is and you should be fine. The only thing that bugs me with conversions is difference of scale. Meaning that a certain conversion is vastly different size than what it is supposed to represent.

 Weazel wrote:
If you base your conversions on GW/FW products I don't see any problems even when playing at GW stores. My friend uses a lot of Mantic stuff in his armies and I don't have a problem as long as I know what everything is.

As long as your conversions "clearly" represent what they are supposed to be I don't really see any problems with the stuff you listed. Just explain to your opponent what everything is and you should be fine. The only thing that bugs me with conversions is difference of scale. Meaning that a certain conversion is vastly different size than what it is supposed to represent.

Thanks for the advice.

Question on base size.
Looking at the Great unclean one the GW one is awful & sits on a 60mm base, the FW one is less awful but sits on a 130mm base.

In this case can i simply choose a base size?

The GUO shares the 60mm base with the other "great" deamons, which is also appropriate for the old metal or failcast models. The new greater deamons - see the Lord of Change and the awesome new bloodthirster model in plastic are much much bigger and come with an 100mm round or a big oval base (flyer) respectively.

Chaos hounds are way too small compared to juggernaughts. You should look into converting thunderwolves instead.

The spider is also much smaller than the simply huge soul grinder. To maintain the GW-original claim, you could use the torso of the original model and pick anything you find in the toy store or on alternative bits sites to replace the lower body and the legs. Maybe something looking like a biological crab? That might be available in the required size as plastic toy or decorative item.

 Stephanius wrote:
The GUO shares the 60mm base with the other "great" deamons, which is also appropriate for the old metal or failcast models. The new greater deamons - see the Lord of Change and the awesome new bloodthirster model in plastic are much much bigger and come with an 100mm round or a big oval base (flyer) respectively.

Chaos hounds are way too small compared to juggernaughts. You should look into converting thunderwolves instead.

The spider is also much smaller than the simply huge soul grinder. To maintain the GW-original claim, you could use the torso of the original model and pick anything you find in the toy store or on alternative bits sites to replace the lower body and the legs. Maybe something looking like a biological crab? That might be available in the required size as plastic toy or decorative item.

Thanks for the info on the chaos warhounds, I'm thinking of adding greenstuff to the more mechanised parts of the Juggernaughts to make them look like beasts in armor.

Shame about the spider, i do love that mini.

Question, do you think a winged FW demon prince would be big enough to pass as a Bloodthirster?

I have the mini now & its a great mini & would love to make it something more glorious than a lowly prince.
It isn't as big as i thought, don't have a new bloodthirster to compare though.

Thanks

Searax wrote:
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Question, do you think a winged FW demon prince would be big enough to pass as a Bloodthirster?

I have the mini now & its a great mini & would love to make it something more glorious than a lowly prince.
It isn't as big as i thought, don't have a new bloodthirster to compare though.

Thanks

Hmm. Are you talking about the ForgeWorld Bloodthirster?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Bloodthirster-Greater-Daemon-of-Khorne

That is positively huge, much bigger than the new plastic one.
See size comparison on Bols: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/whos-big-boy-khorne-bloodthister-now.html

PS: for the soul grinder, I'm sure you can find something better than this as his abdomen and legs:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plastic-CRAB-Novelty-Life-Orange/dp/B00HPYY7ZS, give that a nice paintjob and it might look awesome.

 Stephanius wrote:

Searax wrote:
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Question, do you think a winged FW demon prince would be big enough to pass as a Bloodthirster?

I have the mini now & its a great mini & would love to make it something more glorious than a lowly prince.
It isn't as big as i thought, don't have a new bloodthirster to compare though.

Thanks

Hmm. Are you talking about the ForgeWorld Bloodthirster?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Bloodthirster-Greater-Daemon-of-Khorne

That is positively huge, much bigger than the new plastic one.
See size comparison on Bols: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/whos-big-boy-khorne-bloodthister-now.html

PS: for the soul grinder, I'm sure you can find something better than this as his abdomen and legs:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Plastic-CRAB-Novelty-Life-Orange/dp/B00HPYY7ZS, give that a nice paintjob and it might look awesome.

The normal GW one, good god that FW one is monstrous!

Thanks, i'm looking at a few other options for the lower half of the soul grinder,
i think this could work:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Skaven-Hell-Pit-Abomination

also looking at possibilities for Epidemius.

Thinking either a Herald of Nurgle modified to be fitting on a throne carried by nurglings.

or

A Slaan priest modified to be more pestulant & chaotic, carried by nurglings

Searax wrote:
also looking at possibilities for Epidemius.

Thinking either a Herald of Nurgle modified to be fitting on a throne carried by nurglings.

I'm not following you, that's literally what the stock Epidemius model is.

Ruin wrote:

Searax wrote:
also looking at possibilities for Epidemius.

Thinking either a Herald of Nurgle modified to be fitting on a throne carried by nurglings.

I'm not following you, that's literally what the stock Epidemius model is.

Except the stock model is completely ugly, even by nurgle standards

For my GUO I used one of the Maggoth Lords and got rid of the rider, this was before the release of the LoC so it was not clear that all of the greater daemons would become huge. Today I would probably go for the Glottkin too.
But the nurgling-looking rider should work perfectly as a herald and if I'm not mistaken (I don't own any dedicated Nurglings so far, I have to get me that Start Collecting-Box) he should fit pretty good on a pile of Nurglings.

 Shadox wrote:
For my GUO I used one of the Maggoth Lords and got rid of the rider, this was before the release of the LoC so it was not clear that all of the greater daemons would become huge. Today I would probably go for the Glottkin too.
But the nurgling-looking rider should work perfectly as a herald and if I'm not mistaken (I don't own any dedicated Nurglings so far, I have to get me that Start Collecting-Box) he should fit pretty good on a pile of Nurglings.

I do hope the GUO gets an update like the Bloodthirster & LOC otherwise yeah i'll get a Glottkin.

Hopefully Epidemus gets an update too.

Started on my first conversion project, a Giant Chaos Spawn built from a Hell Pit Abomination.

Already cut off all the mechanical parts, some of the heads & the tail.

Green Stuff to be done:

Cover the remaining armor plates & residual mechanical parts as well as the stitches with green stuff for a completly organic look.

Will be filling the empty head spots with green stuff to make bulbous boils

Build a new butt/lower under carriage for the creature

Make a twisted face over the bare skull

add more skin texture down the back, spikes, boils etc

If you can find it the Greasus Goldtooth model could be useful for...something. I think he's too big for Epidemus and too small to be a Great Unclean One, but he might be useful as a Daemon Prince or such.