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So the new codecii are beginning to hit the shelves, but has anyone written a comparison piece of the two side by side detailing the points changes?

I tried searching but couldn't find any.

Cheers

Andrew

Someone did one for SM earlier.

A wide swath of price decreases is the biggie. If I play my BA 1500 point scouts and terminators force as C:SM, I stand to gain 70 "free" points from the cost reductions in power fists (8/per), thunder hammers (5/per), and lightning claws (1/per, total 2) alone.

In fact, all in all, I stand to gain enough to add a jump pack and thunder hammer lieutenant to th force, and give my non-sniper scout sarge a power sword. Oh, and there's a non-primaris Lieutenant. He's cool. A cheaper Captain, who gives rerolls on to-wound rolls of 1, works well alongside a standard captain and is good hq fodder for leading a detatchment.

Aside from that, someone else will have to tell you; I haven't taken an in depth look.

Ta all.

Basically the Codex Blessed get:

Lots of points drops in many units and equipment (universal equipment pts drops for things like Power Fists should have been via FAQ NOT individual codexes)

Free relic upgrades

New Stratagems

Power Boost with Chapter / Legion tactics

 Mr Morden wrote:
Basically the Codex Blessed get:

Lots of points drops in many units and equipment (universal equipment pts drops for things like Power Fists should have been via FAQ NOT individual codexes)

Free relic upgrades

New Stratagems

Power Boost with Chapter / Legion tactics

There must be some advantages to buy the new codices.
I think its enough to buy the codices of the armies you play. Otherwise the indices are enough. This is how I will approach it. Thoughts?

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Basically the Codex Blessed get:

Lots of points drops in many units and equipment (universal equipment pts drops for things like Power Fists should have been via FAQ NOT individual codexes)

Free relic upgrades

New Stratagems

Power Boost with Chapter / Legion tactics

There must be some advantages to buy the new codices.
I think its enough to buy the codices of the armies you play. Otherwise the indices are enough. This is how I will approach it. Thoughts?

Probably but I think the Codex model sucks big time. I bought all the indicies and pretty happy with them as I have all armies.

There might be as many as 24 codexes taking years for everyone to get their turn - all the time people saying - "nah its fine your army has not got one - mine does and its awesome but you should not complain just wait a few months, a year or maybe longer. Already thats the tone of some.

On an anecdotal level, has anyone refused to play the new SM codex due to the imbalance of codex vs index? Personally I will not play SM if they use the 'objective secured' for troops.

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:
On an anecdotal level, has anyone refused to play the new SM codex due to the imbalance of codex vs index? Personally I will not play SM if they use the 'objective secured' for troops.

Cheers

Andrew

That's petty and childish IMHO. As a Dark Eldar and Space Wolf Player who had to wait multiple YEARS for updated codexes, I find this attitude to be petulant at best. GW are not perfect and I am bitter enough to not give them the benefit of the doubt, but the fact they did the indexes AT ALL and are pumping out codexes extra rapidly, with feedback taken to boot, shows there might be something to look forward to.

Any Sister's players would laugh you out of the club.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 AndrewC wrote:
On an anecdotal level, has anyone refused to play the new SM codex due to the imbalance of codex vs index? Personally I will not play SM if they use the 'objective secured' for troops.

Cheers

Andrew

That's petty and childish IMHO. As a Dark Eldar and Space Wolf Player who had to wait multiple YEARS for updated codexes, I find this attitude to be petulant at best. GW are not perfect and I am bitter enough to not give them the benefit of the doubt, but the fact they did the indexes AT ALL and are pumping out codexes extra rapidly, with feedback taken to boot, shows there might be something to look forward to.

Any Sister's players would laugh you out of the club.

Why I went an entire edition with that attitude being thrown at me because I'm a Tau player?

To be fair, if you play T'au you need to have a thick skin when it comes to bitter veterans. Their feelings are perfectly valid. Luckily we're in a post-Kirby world now so maybe things will be better for everyone.

In short: You're free to do whatever you want, but don't assume everyone else is on board with it.

@AndrewC: Welcome to being a Xenos player in the GW universe - in the past, you could go 10-14 years without a Codex update.

That said, if you play in tournaments; you have no choice in facing a codex or not, latest material is used.

In casual play; it's reasonable to decline playing an army with a codex if yours does not have one. You can ask them to remake it with Index rules.

Your not obligated to play anyone, unless you choose to.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Spoiler:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Basically the Codex Blessed get:

Lots of points drops in many units and equipment (universal equipment pts drops for things like Power Fists should have been via FAQ NOT individual codexes)

Free relic upgrades

New Stratagems

Power Boost with Chapter / Legion tactics

There must be some advantages to buy the new codices.
I think its enough to buy the codices of the armies you play. Otherwise the indices are enough. This is how I will approach it. Thoughts?

Probably but I think the Codex model sucks big time. I bought all the indicies and pretty happy with them as I have all armies.

There might be as many as 24 codexes taking years for everyone to get their turn - all the time people saying - "nah its fine your army has not got one - mine does and its awesome but you should not complain just wait a few months, a year or maybe longer. Already thats the tone of some.

You are mischaracterizing what people have said to you in multiple threads to make it sound like they are being dicks. Stop it. You want to see the situation as unfair and GW hates you personally, then go ahead. Don't expect any more sympathy for your misery tour.

Space Marines won every battle we have played so far (against a variety of xenos and chaos) with their Index armies. Since the Codex seems to be an unapologetic power boost across the board it does make me hesitate in my plan to resurrect 40k in our gaming group.

Mark.

Cheeslord wrote:
Space Marines won every battle we have played so far (against a variety of xenos and chaos) with their Index armies. Since the Codex seems to be an unapologetic power boost across the board it does make me hesitate in my plan to resurrect 40k in our gaming group.

Mark.

Ok, Mark.

Cheeslord wrote:
Space Marines won every battle we have played so far (against a variety of xenos and chaos) with their Index armies. Since the Codex seems to be an unapologetic power boost across the board it does make me hesitate in my plan to resurrect 40k in our gaming group.

Mark.

Well you heard it folks. Mark has decided Codexes are evil and OP.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
To be fair, if you play T'au you need to have a thick skin when it comes to bitter veterans. Their feelings are perfectly valid. Luckily we're in a post-Kirby world now so maybe things will be better for everyone.

In short: You're free to do whatever you want, but don't assume everyone else is on board with it.

So if you play Tau other players whining is justified and valid and you have to have a thick skin.

But if you play Space Marines, you're allowed to ignore everyone's complaints because they're just childish?

I'm not about to go telling Marine players they aren't allowed to use their toys. I'm just going to wait until at least one of my armies has a codex before I play against someone who I know is going to take significant advantage of the codex power boosts with my index armies.

Am I happy that we've returned to the Have/Have Not territory of 7th ed? Not really. Kind of annoying. It could have been easily avoided with some slight points bumps for the units that gained CTs and special stratagems instead of across-the-board points reductions for everything, but it wasn't. GW clearly intended the codex to sell because it offered a significant power increase as compared to the index, and they did the same thing in AOS so its strange to see people claiming they didn't. With very few exceptions, armies from the Generals Handbook are outclassed by armies that have Battletomes.

But I'm used to it. Just by statistics, it's very likely that one of the next few codexes after the initial four will give me at least one codex to work with. I'll just refrain from setting up games vs space marines/csms for the month thats likely to take. Because when your opponent can do something like spend 1cp as Raven Guard to guarantee a charge for a deep striking unit, and the best thing I can spend that CP on is a single die re-roll, I'm not seeing how we're not in a different situation than we were when the necron player could structure his army as a decurion and nobody else could.

Have/Have Not has existed since 2nd edition, except this time we're only going to have it for a year at most, not decades.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Spoiler:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Basically the Codex Blessed get:

Lots of points drops in many units and equipment (universal equipment pts drops for things like Power Fists should have been via FAQ NOT individual codexes)

Free relic upgrades

New Stratagems

Power Boost with Chapter / Legion tactics

There must be some advantages to buy the new codices.
I think its enough to buy the codices of the armies you play. Otherwise the indices are enough. This is how I will approach it. Thoughts?

Probably but I think the Codex model sucks big time. I bought all the indicies and pretty happy with them as I have all armies.

There might be as many as 24 codexes taking years for everyone to get their turn - all the time people saying - "nah its fine your army has not got one - mine does and its awesome but you should not complain just wait a few months, a year or maybe longer. Already thats the tone of some.

You are mischaracterizing what people have said to you in multiple threads to make it sound like they are being dicks. Stop it. You want to see the situation as unfair and GW hates you personally, then go ahead. Don't expect any more sympathy for your misery tour.

Thats exactly the tone that I am seeing. For instance - there is no reason not to update All Power Fist users to a more approrpiate costing. And the only reason that is stated is that "some armies need to wait their turn." No logic, no reason.

If people want to ignore that there will be the Codex Blessed and those stuck with the index for months or even years well thats just short sighted.

My tone is a direct reflection of your actions. You've earned it. Like most crusaders you do damage to your cause with your methods.

AndrewC wrote:On an anecdotal level, has anyone refused to play the new SM codex due to the imbalance of codex vs index? Personally I will not play SM if they use the 'objective secured' for troops.

Cheers

Andrew

I've played them, and beat them.

I'm actually impressed. I don't feel the codex is overpowered at all. Sure they have unique strategems and chapter tactics, while I have to wait for the same for my armies, but otherwise I mostly see price fixes for units which were underpowered or overpriced, and while the strategems are good, they're not game breaking.


In addition, if they can do 2 every few weeks, they can definitely get a large number done fairly quickly. While I initially wouldn't have expected codecies for at least a year and a half, if they keep going at the current rate they might get it done before next summer.

In the near decade I have been playing this game, I have never refused someone a game, nor been refused a game. I have been fortunate enough to play in areas that generally have less of "those kinds of players".

I personally do not feel hurt that other factions are getting Codices faster than mine, in fact, I'd prefer it if my army got updated later rather than soon so that I can get more value out of my Index.

 Galef wrote:
In the near decade I have been playing this game, I have never refused someone a game, nor been refused a game. I have been fortunate enough to play in areas that generally have less of "those kinds of players".

I personally do not feel hurt that other factions are getting Codices faster than mine, in fact, I'd prefer it if my army got updated later rather than soon so that I can get more value out of my Index.

I'm still likely to keep the index for my more minor factions. I'm a big lover of the "imperial soup" army when I do play imperials, so I'm unlikely to get whatever codexes they release just for my couple units of deathwatch, my one unit of sisters, my one or two inquisitors and henchmen, etc. So it's not that I mind waiting, it's just that I have the luxury of choice when it comes to setting up games and just like I wouldn't choose to play a person with a 1250 point army with my 1000 point army, or a decurion detachment army with a CAD, I'm unlikely to choose an army with free subfaction tactics and far better stratagems with my lack thereof.