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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/17 07:44:40
Subject: Sanctuary + Warding Stave
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Monster-Slaying Daemonhunter
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Sanctuary wrote:That unit gains a 5+ invuln save until the start of your next Psychic phase. If any models in the target unit already have an invuln save, add 1 to any invuln saving throws you make for them.
Warding Stave wrote:A model armed with this weapon has a 5+ invuln save against attacks made in the Fight phase. Question: If one model in a GKSS has a Warding Stave and Sanctuary is cast on that unit, does the entire unit now have a 4++? The unit gains a 5++ from Sanctuary. A model in the unit already has an invuln, so you +1 to the unit's invulns. This depends on what "them" is referencing at the end of the Sanctuary quote. I think it's prolly "models already with an invuln" and not "that unit"
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/17 07:45:52
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/17 07:57:54
Subject: Sanctuary + Warding Stave
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they might have it in the fight phase, but that depends on wheter the invuln save grandet by sanctuary can change after it is cast. Because at the time of casting the unit doesn't have an invuln save(assuming the warding stave is the only source for an invuln save)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/17 08:12:24
Subject: Sanctuary + Warding Stave
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Elric Greywolf wrote:Sanctuary wrote:That unit gains a 5+ invuln save until the start of your next Psychic phase. If any models in the target unit already have an invuln save, add 1 to any invuln saving throws you make for them.
Warding Stave wrote:A model armed with this weapon has a 5+ invuln save against attacks made in the Fight phase.
Question: If one model in a GKSS has a Warding Stave and Sanctuary is cast on that unit, does the entire unit now have a 4++?
The unit gains a 5++ from Sanctuary. A model in the unit already has an invuln, so you +1 to the unit's invulns.
This depends on what "them" is referencing at the end of the Sanctuary quote. I think it's prolly "models already with an invuln" and not "that unit"
Saving throws are always made one at a time, on a model-by-model basis. There is absolutely no reason to believe that the +1 to invulnerable saving throw rules is referring to anything else than the specific models in the unit that already have an invulnerable saving throw.
This is almost exactly the same as the CSM Weaver of Fates psychic power (just worded opposite). A model either gets a 5+ invulnerable save if it doesn't have one already or +1 to the model's invulnerable saving throw if it already has one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/17 08:20:13
Subject: Sanctuary + Warding Stave
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Norn Queen
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Yakface has it right here. "Them" is a model by model basis.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/17 10:03:07
Subject: Sanctuary + Warding Stave
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Elric Greywolf wrote:Sanctuary wrote:That unit gains a 5+ invuln save until the start of your next Psychic phase. If any models in the target unit already have an invuln save, add 1 to any invuln saving throws you make for them.
Warding Stave wrote:A model armed with this weapon has a 5+ invuln save against attacks made in the Fight phase.
Question: If one model in a GKSS has a Warding Stave and Sanctuary is cast on that unit, does the entire unit now have a 4++?
The unit gains a 5++ from Sanctuary. A model in the unit already has an invuln, so you +1 to the unit's invulns.
This depends on what "them" is referencing at the end of the Sanctuary quote. I think it's prolly "models already with an invuln" and not "that unit"
There are two ways (sort of) to read this. If "them" refers to models, then everyone will have a 5++, and the guy with the Warding Stave has a 4++. If "them" refers to the unit, then the guy with a Warding Stave will have a 4++, and everyone else will get +1 to their non-existent invuln saves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/17 12:34:19
Subject: Sanctuary + Warding Stave
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Sinewy Scourge
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Them refers to the models that already have an invuln, there is no other way to read this as the 'them' is in the subordinate clause of the second sentence.
As far as I can tell.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/17 15:10:43
Subject: Sanctuary + Warding Stave
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Clousseau
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Sanctuary bestows a 5++ to the entire unit as a unit with a warding stave does not have an invulnerable save. The only time a unit with a warding stave can take an invulnerable save is when wounds are allocated in the fight phase... So when you go to allocate those wounds, that's when the warding stave would kick in, and increment the already existing invuln save of that model from sanctuary. I run my purgation squads with a nemesis warding stave sergeant, since they're a gun platform anyway, and I don't want them in melee. If you cast sanctuary on this squad, the sergeant would have a 4++ in the fight phase, and the rest would be 5++ from sanctuary only.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/08/17 15:11:13
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/08/17 15:27:46
Subject: Sanctuary + Warding Stave
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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Them is clearly meant to refer to the 'model' previously mentioned within the same statement/sentence. It would be very wishful thinking to assume otherwise
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