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Plus there's the Blood Angels and their successors with the Baal Predator. If they didn't have the capacity to make vehicles themselves the AdMech would have copies of the STC they resent the BA for keeping to themselves.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Plus there's the Blood Angels and their successors with the Baal Predator. If they didn't have the capacity to make vehicles themselves the AdMech would have copies of the STC they resent the BA for keeping to themselves.
Don't the mechanicus see the BAAL as pretty close to being tech heresy?
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Plus there's the Blood Angels and their successors with the Baal Predator. If they didn't have the capacity to make vehicles themselves the AdMech would have copies of the STC they resent the BA for keeping to themselves.
Don't the mechanicus see the BAAL as pretty close to being tech heresy?
Some members might if they don't believe that the STC actually exists, but the actual tech heresy is the fact that the BA are keeping the STC to themselves rather than surrendering it to the AdMech.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Plus there's the Blood Angels and their successors with the Baal Predator. If they didn't have the capacity to make vehicles themselves the AdMech would have copies of the STC they resent the BA for keeping to themselves.
Don't the mechanicus see the BAAL as pretty close to being tech heresy?
Some members might if they don't believe that the STC actually exists, but the actual tech heresy is the fact that the BA are keeping the STC to themselves rather than surrendering it to the AdMech.
It's not the Predator design that is important, it is the STC itself. They would be equally as mad at someone holding out the STC for a refrigerator.
Ankhalagon wrote: If you mess with a STC, they go even more crazy. Like shooting a guy with a phosphex-gun. Repeately. Because heretek.
i mean cawl did this....
Cawl has street cred being 10k years old, an associate of Big E, and buddies with Guilliman.
so as long as you have the right connections and money you can get away with any heresy? .... what do you think they are the Catholic Church?
Cawl is on very thin ice, and both Guilliman & he know it - that's why he keeps asking Guilliman to put him in charge of Mars (but Guilliman won't, because he knows that would cause an AdMech civil war).
Given that Cawl thought about making Primaris from Traitor Legion Geneseed and Guilliman practically had a fit at the thought.. Yeah Cawl is pretty much very close to committing an act that would turn that ally into an enemy.
Archmagos Belisarius Cawl is a genius. Consider this unit further. The hexidecimal encoding that he projects to this unit is immune to decryption, for it is incomplete. My responses are inherent to this unit’s cogitators. An astropathic message can be intercepted, no matter how many locks are put upon it. Anything that uses the electromagnetic spectrum is worse. Not only can it degrade, or be captured, or be lost, but the journey of a message from where Cawl is now to where you are would take three thousand Terran years. Expediency is the enemy of dogma. You have asked him to be expeditious. He alone has been able to unlock, understand and improve upon the work of the Emperor. He alone is the master of a hundred fields of technology. He alone is unafraid of innovation. He is the best candidate to rule Mars. I present his petition to you. Give Archmagos Belisarius Cawl Mars, and he will hand you the galaxy.’
Guilliman had of course considered doing exactly this, but he did not lie to the Cawl Inferior. The result could be outright civil war in the Adeptus Mechanicus’ sub-empire of forge worlds.
‘Your colleagues would disagree with your evaluation,’ he said. ‘It cannot be done.’
‘I have no colleagues.’
‘His colleagues then.’
‘His colleagues are limited. Their beliefs have become a faith that they dare not challenge. The Adeptus Mechanicus is far more trammelled in its thinking than the Mechanicum of your time was, my Lord Guilliman, and the archmagos was a radical in those distant centuries. You would not have come to him if he were not. Already you have asked him to perform many forbidden duties. You are as culpable as he in any crime that may or may not have taken place.’
‘I am no adherent of the Machine-God’s creed,’ said Guilliman.
‘You have asked the archmagos to interfere with technologies expressly forbidden by your own creator, the Emperor of Mankind.
Archmagos Belisarius Cawl is a genius. Consider this unit further. The hexidecimal encoding that he projects to this unit is immune to decryption, for it is incomplete. My responses are inherent to this unit’s cogitators. An astropathic message can be intercepted, no matter how many locks are put upon it. Anything that uses the electromagnetic spectrum is worse. Not only can it degrade, or be captured, or be lost, but the journey of a message from where Cawl is now to where you are would take three thousand Terran years. Expediency is the enemy of dogma. You have asked him to be expeditious. He alone has been able to unlock, understand and improve upon the work of the Emperor. He alone is the master of a hundred fields of technology. He alone is unafraid of innovation. He is the best candidate to rule Mars. I present his petition to you. Give Archmagos Belisarius Cawl Mars, and he will hand you the galaxy.’
Guilliman had of course considered doing exactly this, but he did not lie to the Cawl Inferior. The result could be outright civil war in the Adeptus Mechanicus’ sub-empire of forge worlds.
‘Your colleagues would disagree with your evaluation,’ he said. ‘It cannot be done.’
‘I have no colleagues.’
‘His colleagues then.’
‘His colleagues are limited. Their beliefs have become a faith that they dare not challenge. The Adeptus Mechanicus is far more trammelled in its thinking than the Mechanicum of your time was, my Lord Guilliman, and the archmagos was a radical in those distant centuries. You would not have come to him if he were not. Already you have asked him to perform many forbidden duties. You are as culpable as he in any crime that may or may not have taken place.’
‘I am no adherent of the Machine-God’s creed,’ said Guilliman.
‘You have asked the archmagos to interfere with technologies expressly forbidden by your own creator, the Emperor of Mankind.
That is pretty awesome. Thanks for that. I haven't had a chance to read much of the new stuff concerning Guilliman's return and all that.
Archmagos Belisarius Cawl is a genius. Consider this unit further. The hexidecimal encoding that he projects to this unit is immune to decryption, for it is incomplete. My responses are inherent to this unit’s cogitators. An astropathic message can be intercepted, no matter how many locks are put upon it. Anything that uses the electromagnetic spectrum is worse. Not only can it degrade, or be captured, or be lost, but the journey of a message from where Cawl is now to where you are would take three thousand Terran years. Expediency is the enemy of dogma. You have asked him to be expeditious. He alone has been able to unlock, understand and improve upon the work of the Emperor. He alone is the master of a hundred fields of technology. He alone is unafraid of innovation. He is the best candidate to rule Mars. I present his petition to you. Give Archmagos Belisarius Cawl Mars, and he will hand you the galaxy.’
Guilliman had of course considered doing exactly this, but he did not lie to the Cawl Inferior. The result could be outright civil war in the Adeptus Mechanicus’ sub-empire of forge worlds.
‘Your colleagues would disagree with your evaluation,’ he said. ‘It cannot be done.’
‘I have no colleagues.’
‘His colleagues then.’
‘His colleagues are limited. Their beliefs have become a faith that they dare not challenge. The Adeptus Mechanicus is far more trammelled in its thinking than the Mechanicum of your time was, my Lord Guilliman, and the archmagos was a radical in those distant centuries. You would not have come to him if he were not. Already you have asked him to perform many forbidden duties. You are as culpable as he in any crime that may or may not have taken place.’
‘I am no adherent of the Machine-God’s creed,’ said Guilliman.
‘You have asked the archmagos to interfere with technologies expressly forbidden by your own creator, the Emperor of Mankind.
That is pretty awesome. Thanks for that. I haven't had a chance to read much of the new stuff concerning Guilliman's return and all that.
For context, it's Guilliman talking to the Cawl Inferior, which is totally not an AI copy of Cawl ;-)
The key word there is expediency - Guilliman knew what needed to be done, and done quickly - but also knew the Mechanicum would take too long so he went to a radical outsider...
ZebioLizard2 wrote: Given that Cawl thought about making Primaris from Traitor Legion Geneseed and Guilliman practically had a fit at the thought.. Yeah Cawl is pretty much very close to committing an act that would turn that ally into an enemy.
I've thought about this a bit, and if the long-running speculations that some space marine second-founding (or thereabouts) chapters were formed from loyalists who turned from their parent traitor legion are true...what if Cawl, having access to these chapters' gene-seed, realized that those chapters didn't quite match any of THESE gene-seed samples from the repository that Guilliman gave him, but do match THOSE OTHER samples. Oh, dear, oh dear...what to do.
But unless they want to actually confirm the parent primarchs/legions of those chapters, Cawl's use of forbidden gene-seed will likely remain in the realm of speculative fluff, at least in that particular manner of their use.
ZebioLizard2 wrote: Given that Cawl thought about making Primaris from Traitor Legion Geneseed and Guilliman practically had a fit at the thought.. Yeah Cawl is pretty much very close to committing an act that would turn that ally into an enemy.
I've thought about this a bit, and if the long-running speculations that some space marine second-founding (or thereabouts) chapters were formed from loyalists who turned from their parent traitor legion are true...what if Cawl, having access to these chapters' gene-seed, realized that those chapters didn't quite match any of THESE gene-seed samples from the repository that Guilliman gave him, but do match THOSE OTHER samples. Oh, dear, oh dear...what to do.
But unless they want to actually confirm the parent primarchs/legions of those chapters, Cawl's use of forbidden gene-seed will likely remain in the realm of speculative fluff, at least in that particular manner of their use.
Cawl was involved in the Second Founding so probably knows better than anyone what actually happened.
Depends how you look at it - "One of the first founded Primaris Marine Chapters, the Fulminators were created in M31, even as the last battles of the Scouring were being fought. The aspirants selected were the best recruits heading into the Terran Guard, and they have been in stasis for nearly 8,000 years. The Chapter was named for the electrical storms that rage over Mars, which at the time of their creation were the worst seen in millennia."
The Scouring started ~015.M31, and the Second Founding was 021.M31.
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gendoikari87 wrote: So here's a hypothetical. Forget the forgeworld versions exist, how would you stat secutors?
Secutors look beefier than a primaris marine to me so I would say strength 4, toughness 5, 3+ power armor, WS and BS 3+, leadership 8. 2 attacks. 4 wounds. 5++ or 6++ bionics, maybe also a 5++ or 6++ feel no pain. I don't remember what the forgeworld versions do.
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I have always imagined AdMech as being a long-range shooty army, so i was suprised to see how short ranged and cc-orientated most AdMech units esp. the Skitarii are, when their 7th ed codices were released. They haven´t been always described that way in the fluff, have they?
I can count only 4 really shooty units: Kataphron destroyers, Kastellans, Ballistarii and Onagers. Vanguards are a little too short ranged for my taste, but they look good as screening troops vs. dropping units, sadly they are too expensive for that.
And Servitors need to take a heavy weapon, not bad, but even the cheapest is way too expensive.
Can anyone explain me the sense of cognis? Being able to shoot after advancing but with a hit modifier of -2, wtf?
Please make cognis an upgrade, so i only have to pay for it if i really want that. Or make just normal versions of the weapons available.
Looking at the points costs in the index 2, it seems that they need a lot of points reductions and a little more weapon options are needed on some units.
Rolsheen wrote: They did Mechanicum branded dice when Armageddon was released
Yeah, the apoc bombardment dice. Comes in a big cube of 125. I managed to acquire about 160 of those dice for cheap, one of the best purchases I ever made. I should be getting dice with my CE Codex as well. If it's truly released a week before the main dex, I'll be happy to give some info about the contents (if it hasn't already been leaked)
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I almost universally dislike the newfangled dice designs. They're too busy, and it's difficult to make out what the number is that you rolled. I'll be getting some anyway, but I'll most likely still use my beautiful bombardment dice collection.
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