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 Insectum7 wrote:
It's HQ, just opposite Techmarine.

Yep! I love that they added him in. He's basically a Force Commander, really fun and fluffy addition.

 Blackie wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Sumilidon wrote:
Best troop choices in my opinion are:
Brimstone horrors - stupid cheap screen for characters and to deny deepstrike.
Kabalite warriors - cheap, rapid fire, can take some effective special weapons and allow you to spam venoms.

Kabals dont do much at all tho, i can pay my SOB spam Battle sisters and beat many GT lists, my warriors barely does anything (I mostly play DE but i 2ndary SoB).

Poison just doesnt do anything, and sense they lost TL on Raiders (Ok im going to rank for a sec, ALL ARMIES GOT TL AND DBL THE SHOTS DUE TO IT, but NOOOO not DE, we got NERFED, our 1 main TL gun was cut in 1/2 of shots and 15pts... 15pts for a 3 shot rabid fire..... I'd rather have Storm Bolters at least they can hurt vehicles and T3 on a 3+) Back onto topic.

Oh yeah how bad poison is.... its really bad. 1 Special weapon isnt that good either, SOB can have 2 and a combi, and they are almost just as cheap (2pt difference)

So for 2pts you get

3+/6++ vs 5+
Grenades
3 Weapon options in a 5man
Both can get Open top vehicles
AoF vs PFP

I agree, drukhari are a mid-tier army at the moment, same as they were in 7th edition when formations from the coven supplement really gave them a boost and other viable options than being an army that only shoot, like they are now once again.

SoB instead are very very good. Their only issue is their cost, a 2000 points army worths in terms of money like 4000-5000 points of another faction with plastic models. SoB armies are quite uncommon, but they're very effective now, IMHO with AM the current top tiers.

Kabalite warriors are ok though, a decent troop option. Better than many other troops in the game.

I'm pretty sure chaos space marines are the top army now, now people have had a chance to test the codex options and come up with builds.

But no one (as far as i know) has tried a conscript style army with SoB, yes they are dbl the points, but they also are dbl the survivability and shots, if not 4x the shots with AoF.

I should do some tests with it, i just might next week actually.

My idea is with a ADL with many units of Ret HB's for a 2+ save and 4 HB's per 5 girls.

Then you have the 30pts Character on a 4+ you do an AoF letting you shoot 2x, take 6 of these and a couple Canoness to re-roll 1's.

If your fighting Conscripts or horrors you will out range turn 1 due to 36" range, S5 -1ap.

I know this isnt the place to talk about it, but just a thought i want to try.

12 units is 144 shots and thats only 1k points (and thats without the 12 SB's from the superior)
lets say 4 AoFs goes off (1 for the 2+ and you make 3 out of 6 4+'s from the Imagifiers). So 4 units gets to shoot an extra time being 60 shots.

In 1 turn that 204 shots hitting 136 times, r-rolling 1's (re-rolling 34 shots picking up 22 shots) for a total of 158 S5 -1ap hits.

And this is only with 1200 points, a unit of Rets with 4 HB's and a SB is 87pts. The problem is.... its only 70 models.

 Rydria wrote:
I'm pretty sure chaos space marines are the top army now, now people have had a chance to test the codex options and come up with builds.

I can't think of a particular reason why CSM would be ahead of SM at the moment, they both seem pretty equal to me.

That said, our small local tournament saw Abaddon-led Black Legion vs. Abaddon-led Black Legion in the final round.

Actually, I advocated a footslogger sisters army in the past. It's not really "conscripts" however. The only leadership we have is basically rerolls, which is kinda meh even at a pitiful fifteen points; basically, we pay for ATSKNF where marines get it for free, and this hurts 10-15 girl squads far more than the far more common 5-man tactical squad.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
I'm pretty sure chaos space marines are the top army now, now people have had a chance to test the codex options and come up with builds.

I can't think of a particular reason why CSM would be ahead of SM at the moment, they both seem pretty equal to me.

That said, our small local tournament saw Abaddon-led Black Legion vs. Abaddon-led Black Legion in the final round.

Yeah I gotta say outside some odd internal balance issues (Tactical and Chaos Marines, Grey Knight Terminators), the three Codices are pretty balanced to my immediate knowledge. Time will tell if that's the case though, as usually people have more time to work with a codex than the current release schedule.

Deathwatch Veterans.
They may be expensive but nothing trumps the vets for utility.
Wounding any non-vehicle on a 2+, firing -2 rending shots at vehicles, blowing stuff out of cover.
Specialised Ammo is everybody's favourite gift that keeps on giving.
The Vets can also take a mixed squad for extra trickery and not many troops can top two base attacks.
Too bad the rest of the Deathwat h army is rubbish.

Hmm I also might has Troupes.... They can be insane short range shooting or melee, 4++ with one of the better transports, tho they are costly, this is why i didnt say them at the start.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
But no one (as far as i know) has tried a conscript style army with SoB, yes they are dbl the points, but they also are dbl the survivability and shots, if not 4x the shots with AoF.

If it's referred to my statement in which I said that AM and SoB are the current top tiers I meant to say that both armies are at the top level right now, I wasn't suggesting a list with a mix of both armies