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I just got my supeana to testify at the trial for a guy that punched me while working in the ER last year. I was very surprised he was actually charged, he was far from the only person that attacked me during my 8 years working in that hospital.

 d-usa wrote:
I just got my supeana to testify at the trial for a guy that punched me while working in the ER last year. I was very surprised he was actually charged, he was far from the only person that attacked me during my 8 years working in that hospital.

"Just grin and bear it"

The actual nursing slogan, if you ask your supervisors.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
[Most house building fatalities comes mostly from professional roofers (a job that has a higher fatality rate than law enforcement)

My dad was a professional roofer. While he never actually fell off a roof, it was indeed a supremely dangerous job and I remember him being injured fairly regularly over the course of my growing up.

I 100% believe it would be in the top 10 most dangerous jobs.

 Ouze wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:
[Most house building fatalities comes mostly from professional roofers (a job that has a higher fatality rate than law enforcement)

My dad was a professional roofer. While he never actually fell off a roof, it was indeed a supremely dangerous job and I remember him being injured fairly regularly over the course of my growing up.

I 100% believe it would be in the top 10 most dangerous jobs.

Steep Angles and the hot sun, exposed beams, nails and tar vapor.

I thank god i dont have to do that.

Though i was very close to becoming an underwater welder so eh :/

 d-usa wrote:
One thing Hot Fuzz got right.

Most accurate police show that has ever been on US television - Barney Miller.

The Auld Grump, cops - doing paperwork and complaining about bad coffee....

Officer who arrested nurse has been fired from medic job.

 Frazzled wrote:
Officer who arrested nurse has been fired from medic job.

I assume you're extremely surprised?

Also noteworthy, the hospital no longer has nurses interacting with cops at all anymore:

Payne's firing from his paramedic job comes a day after the University of Utah Hospital announced a new protocol: Nurses will no longer be allowed to interact with law enforcement agents.

"I need to make sure this never, ever, ever happens to another one of our care providers again," said Margaret Pearce, chief nursing officer at the hospital.

Instead of interacting with nurses, law enforcement officers will be directed to health supervisors "who are highly trained on rules and laws," and those interactions won't take place in patient care areas, officials said.

The new protocol was implemented two weeks after the incident, and so far, 2,500 nurses have been trained in it, Pearce said.

Of course not. Of course the ambulance service watched him after he threatened to bring only indigents to the nurse's hospital. That creates legal liability for the ambulance service. Still nothing has been done by the police department. Come back to me when he is fired or demoted.

I feel like you're moving the goalposts pretty significantly from "I'd be surprised if we ever heard anything about this again".

I also think they both should be fired, FWIW, but I kinda doubt that's gonna happen.

Not at all. We have heard nothing yet.

I really doubt anyone is going to get fired. No one was hurt. D bag cop was following an order - his superior likely had no idea about the law. Both will be educated about how to never make this happen again. Women who was arrested in error is released - without injury. Shell get an apology. This is a big overreaction.

*She will sue and negotiate a six figure settlement.
*The taxpayers will lose.
*Good cops will lose as another example of criminal actions by bad police goes unpunished.
*Citizens will lose. Their rights will continue to be violated.
*The police involved will have no harm come to them.

Xenomancers wrote:I really doubt anyone is going to get fired. No one was hurt. D bag cop was following an order - his superior likely had no idea about the law. Both will be educated about how to never make this happen again. Women who was arrested in error is released - without injury. Shell get an apology. This is a big overreaction.

No, it's not, this was an extended encounter where the officers in question had been informed as to the illegality of their actions and chose to engage in using physical force to violate the rights of two distinct individuals, while others stood by and did nothing. It's not a learning experience, it's open abuse of authority that would have been swept under the rug were it not for the release of the video, and serves as a strong example of why no member of the public should ever trust the police nor welcome their presence.

Frazzled wrote:*She will sue and negotiate a six figure settlement.
*The taxpayers will lose.
*Good cops will lose as another example of criminal actions by bad police goes unpunished.
*Citizens will lose. Their rights will continue to be violated.
*The police involved will have no harm come to them.

Fraz is on point.

 Frazzled wrote:
*She will sue and negotiate a six figure settlement.
*The taxpayers will lose.
*Good cops will lose as another example of criminal actions by bad police goes unpunished.
*Citizens will lose. Their rights will continue to be violated.
*The police involved will have no harm come to them.

So every time there is a wrongful arrest the police officer should be fired and a 6 figure settlement should be granted to the wrongful arrestee (we have to pay that bill)? Seems a bit out of proportion. I want a proportioned response. Suspension without pay, mandated retraining and an apology seems most reasonable to me.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
*She will sue and negotiate a six figure settlement.
*The taxpayers will lose.
*Good cops will lose as another example of criminal actions by bad police goes unpunished.
*Citizens will lose. Their rights will continue to be violated.
*The police involved will have no harm come to them.

So every time there is a wrongful arrest the police officer should be fired and a 6 figure settlement should be granted to the wrongful arrestee (we have to pay that bill)? Seems a bit out of proportion. I want a proportioned response. Suspension without pay, mandated retraining and an apology seems most reasonable to me.

Every time there is an intentional wrongful arrest when the officer knew or should have known it, and was in fact warned not to and admitted in public record that they did not have prob case, you betcha. Fire them, the supervisor, and other police on scene who let it happen.

We are moving towards a police state and that will only be stopped, if its stopped.
EDIT: I shoot with cops. I have known cops on a friend basis. I know most cops are good people. Allowing this behavior to continue puts THEM in a dangerous position.

Civil Rights violations are always a big deal, period.

By arresting the nurse without cause and against regulations, the officer assaulted her.

By arresting the nurse without cause, and thereby removing the primary caregiver for her patients int he ICU, the officer placed her patients at risk of serious injury or death.

By arresting the nurse without cause, and forcing the rest of the staff to cover her ICU patients in addition to their own patients, the officer placed every patient in that ICU at risk of serious injury or death.

One thing is clear, and I say that as a law enforcement officer myself: LEOs don't give a gak about the punishments you are proposing. They don't work, because we would see a decrease of this kind of crap happening if they did.

So if you want the LEOs to change, you increase the penalties including firing them.

And if you want communities to expect more from their LEOs, you level fines against the department that hit the community as well, so that the community demands better from their LEOs.

People love to scream that the cops work for them and that we pay their salary, and that also means that we are ultimately responsible for their conduct, good or bad.

 Ouze wrote:
I feel like you're moving the goalposts pretty significantly from "I'd be surprised if we ever heard anything about this again".

I also think they both should be fired, FWIW, but I kinda doubt that's gonna happen.

So you'd fire the nurse for doing her job? for obeying the law? For following the agreement the hospital had made with that exact precinct the cop was from?

Fire the cop, give the nurse a raise.

I imagine fire both means the cop who initially tried to pressure the nurse into the illegal blood draw and his supervisor who showed up and arrested/assaulted her, not the nurse

i'd also like to see hospital security and senior management who hired them go, why didn't they step in to protect the nurse from the assault and illegal arrest?

(well other than being scared of being shot or arrested which might be considered part of a security guards job)

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I feel like you're moving the goalposts pretty significantly from "I'd be surprised if we ever heard anything about this again".

I also think they both should be fired, FWIW, but I kinda doubt that's gonna happen.

So you'd fire the nurse for doing her job? for obeying the law? For following the agreement the hospital had made with that exact precinct the cop was from?

Fire the cop, give the nurse a raise.

Yeah got a little lost on that one my self.

dont see why the nurse has to be fired at all.

I second the thought that it was probably initial cop and his Lt.

Fire both officers involved at the scene, or the arresting officer and the superior who commanded the officer to make the arrest on the nurse he's saying.

Its the OT though, so I could be widely wrong. Never know what to expect. Thats what makes it so special.

 d-usa wrote:
I second the thought that it was probably initial cop and his Lt.

I'd bet both my nuts this is the case.

 Xenomancers wrote:
I really doubt anyone is going to get fired. No one was hurt. D bag cop was following an order - his superior likely had no idea about the law. Both will be educated about how to never make this happen again. Women who was arrested in error is released - without injury. Shell get an apology. This is a big overreaction.

Nope, the arresting officer in this instance does Tbilisi deserve to get to keep wearing a badge and exercising authority over others. In a calm professional manner the nurse verbally explained the law and the hospital policy to the officer. In a calm and professional manner the nurse provides the officer with a printout of the explanation of the hospital policy that was consistent with the law. In a calm and professional manner the nurse called her supervisor put him on speaker phone and he then explained the law and the policy to the officers in a calm and professional manner. Following all of that the officer then arrested the nurse in the middle of the patient care area in front of multiple witness in a fit of rage because she had the audacity to not just shut and do what she was told to do by the cop. The cop left her handcuffed in a squad care removed from her patients for half an hour and then released her without ever filing a charge against her. That kind of willful deliberate abuse of power and abject failure to display a modicum of professionalism by the cop has betrayed the public trust in him so absolutely as to remove any possibility of trusting him to do the right thing in the future. Everybody makes mistakes, some mistakes are minor and can be moved on from but others are major and will cost you your job.

No one was hurt. I'm cool with him keeping his job. Maybe transfer him to another section, after some remedial training and changes to policy in his department.

 Frazzled wrote:
*She will sue and negotiate a six figure settlement.
*The taxpayers will lose.
*Good cops will lose as another example of criminal actions by bad police goes unpunished.
*Citizens will lose. Their rights will continue to be violated.
*The police involved will have no harm come to them.

Hasn't the nurse said that she has no intention of suing?

 nels1031 wrote:
No one was hurt. I'm cool with him keeping his job. Maybe transfer him to another section, after some remedial training and changes to policy in his department.

Which just sends the message to him that says "okay, just be a dick over there, and maybe not in a hospital".

If that nurse would have left without given report to anybody else and just sat in a car for 30 minutes she would be fired, and the state would take her license away from her, and every patient would be able to sue her for neglect and abandonment of the patients in her care. As a nurse I can tell you that a nurse, and even more so an ICU nurse, would be in career ending trouble if she pulled a stunt like that.

And what the cop did was to force her to abandon her patient for 30 minutes. The staff having to cover her patients, and spending less time with their own patients because of it, don't know what is going on with her patients. What drips are running, what the rates are, what titrations she has done since she got there, what the baseline status of her patients are, what meds need to be given right now.

The nurse could be fired from her job, have her license terminated for abandonment, and be sued by the families of her patients for leaving; there is no reason why the cop that abused his power and forcibly removed her from her patients should keep his badge for something that would cost the nurse her license if she did it herself.

 nels1031 wrote:
No one was hurt. I'm cool with him keeping his job. Maybe transfer him to another section, after some remedial training and changes to policy in his department.

why? His willingness to bully others behind his badge will not change after a transfer.


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
*She will sue and negotiate a six figure settlement.
*The taxpayers will lose.
*Good cops will lose as another example of criminal actions by bad police goes unpunished.
*Citizens will lose. Their rights will continue to be violated.
*The police involved will have no harm come to them.

Hasn't the nurse said that she has no intention of suing?

Nope.

The first rule of lawsuit club, you don't talk about lawsuit club.

 nels1031 wrote:
No one was hurt. I'm cool with him keeping his job. Maybe transfer him to another section, after some remedial training and changes to policy in his department.

Are you serious? So no long-term ramifications for a knowingly wrongful and illegal arrest?

No small wonder police feel they can get away with anything.

 nels1031 wrote:
No one was hurt. I'm cool with him keeping his job. Maybe transfer him to another section, after some remedial training and changes to policy in his department.

Did you miss the part of the video where the Nurse was screaming "You are hurting me!"?