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2017/09/09 18:38:03
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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A friend of mine has a hard on for using Abbadon against my Eldar, needless to say, I've stopped bothering to try to kill him. However, I was looking though my ruleset, and the Autarch looks flexible enough to do the job. A pair of wings, and some CC weapons, and it might be able to take the armless wonder. But which weapons to pick?
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 Badablack wrote:40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
chromedog wrote:From the Fuggly DEldar of the time, before they let Jes goodwin have his good and proper way with the entire faction design.
I don't want the best army, just one that isn't an exercise in picking up my models by turn 3.
Badablack wrote:40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
PenitentJake wrote:It doesn't matter if you're not dominating the game; if you have 3-4 x as many models and options than the rest of us and you're still getting new kits, we're still gonna rip on the faction. If I had 100 + Drukhari kits all in plastic to choose from, or 100 + Sisters kits, I think I'd be more likely to be receptive to Space Marine player's complaints about anything.
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2017/09/09 18:45:47
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Autarch Skyrunner with Laser Lance and Mandiblasters is the best close combat Autarch you can get, then maybe Fusion Guns to shoot along with lance and twin Shuriken Catapults if you want to do it with just the Autarch
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2017/09/09 19:20:18
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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At range, Abby has a multi damage bolter.
In melee, Abby has his choice of S5 with extra swings or S8. Both offer -3AP and multi damage.
I would not be looking to engage him at his desired (optimal) range. Far better to pour gunfire into him, provided you can get around his character targeting protection. Illic + rangers maybe?
If I were building an Autarch for fighting Abby, it'd be with reaper launcher and fusion gun on a skyrunner. But then, I'd go for Illic + rangers before an Autarch.
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2017/09/09 19:23:29
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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ryzouken wrote:At range, Abby has a multi damage bolter.
In melee, Abby has his choice of S5 with extra swings or S8 with -3AP and multi damage.
I would not be looking to engage him at his desired (optimal) range. Far better to pour gunfire into him, provided you can get around his character targeting protection. Illic + rangers maybe?
I tried blowing 60+ Guardains and their EML's at him for 3 turns. Not a single wound. And he didn't even bubble wrap w termys that game. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Korlandril wrote:Autarch Skyrunner with Laser Lance and Mandiblasters is the best close combat Autarch you can get, then maybe Fusion Guns to shoot along with lance and twin Shuriken Catapults if you want to do it with just the Autarch
No power swords or Scorpion swords?
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Badablack wrote:40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
chromedog wrote:From the Fuggly DEldar of the time, before they let Jes goodwin have his good and proper way with the entire faction design.
I don't want the best army, just one that isn't an exercise in picking up my models by turn 3.
Badablack wrote:40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
PenitentJake wrote:It doesn't matter if you're not dominating the game; if you have 3-4 x as many models and options than the rest of us and you're still getting new kits, we're still gonna rip on the faction. If I had 100 + Drukhari kits all in plastic to choose from, or 100 + Sisters kits, I think I'd be more likely to be receptive to Space Marine player's complaints about anything.
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2017/09/09 19:29:35
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Missionary On A Mission
Eastern VA
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The laser lance is S6 AP -3 D2 the turn you charge, and is still a D2 power sword after that. If you're on a bike - and as a combat Autarch, you always want it for +1T, +1W, a twin shuricat and FLY - the laser lance is the best melee weapon available.
I'd take a laser lance and fusion gun, for sure, and also a Farseer with Doom and Fortune.
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2017/09/09 19:30:16
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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jade_angel wrote:The laser lance is S6 AP -3 D2 the turn you charge, and is still a D2 power sword after that. If you're on a bike - and as a combat Autarch, you always want it for +1T, +1W, a twin shuricat and FLY - the laser lance is the best melee weapon available.
I'd take a laser lance and fusion gun, for sure, and also a Farseer with Doom and Fortune.
Abbadon halves damage. D2 is the worst thing to use on him.
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2017/09/09 19:44:17
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Missionary On A Mission
Eastern VA
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Oh, rats, fair point there. So it's a tossup between the Scorpion chainsword or a power maul, probably. (He's got a 3+ invuln IIRC, which would make S+2 AP-1 much more interesting than S User AP -3).
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2017/09/09 19:48:27
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm pretty sure he's still 4++.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
 jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
 vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
 MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
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2017/09/09 20:07:36
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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An autarch is a flexible Buff-mander but Abby is a powerhouse character, the odds are going to be against you. Asurmen might be worth a shot as he has a 3++ in CC and his sword can deal extra mortal wounds.
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2017/09/09 21:16:52
Subject: Re:Autarch vs Abbadon
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Still sounds like you're playing into his trap. Sounds like a close-combat face off isn't the way to go.
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2017/09/09 21:40:35
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Crazed Cultist of Khorne
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ryzouken wrote:At range, Abby has a multi damage bolter.
In melee, Abby has his choice of S5 with extra swings or S8. Both offer -3AP and multi damage.
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Abaddon can use both weapons, since the S5 sword generates additional attacks, just like a chainsword.
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2017/09/09 21:48:11
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Fixture of Dakka
Vanished Completely
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Hey, if he wants to hand his soul to Slaanesh on a Black platter...
Opening Poster,
I would suggest running a few mock tests before you commit:-
Make a handful of different loadouts for your Autarch and run a few 1 on 1 battles with Mr. I-Can't-Crusade
If none of the loadouts can take him out in a straight fight, re-start the tests with Mr I-Can't-Clap at one Wound less
Repeat until one of the loadouts can reliably kill Mr It-was-all-one-Crusade-I-promise
They will not be the most accurate representation on the battle-field, but if it will at least give you an idea of how many Wounds you need to inflict before even risking the combat.
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8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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2017/09/09 23:49:54
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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 Lord_Valorion wrote:ryzouken wrote:At range, Abby has a multi damage bolter.
In melee, Abby has his choice of S5 with extra swings or S8. Both offer -3AP and multi damage.
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Abaddon can use both weapons, since the S5 sword generates additional attacks, just like a chainsword.
Yes. I was imprecise: he has his choice between the weapons for each swing, barring the 1-5 additional swings which will be at S5.
Point is, Abby's profile is heavily slanted to CC, not range. Engaging him at range is, therefore, the preferable method of dispatching him if you can get through the targeting restrictions imposed by his character status.
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2017/09/10 07:21:41
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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Wouldn't a ton of psykers with their crappy version of smite have a better shot? I know Eldar get them pretty cheap, and their reduced effectiveness power does just as well as normal smite vs Abbadon while still ignoring most of his defenses.
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2017/09/10 08:23:32
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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Badablack wrote:Wouldn't a ton of psykers with their crappy version of smite have a better shot? I know Eldar get them pretty cheap, and their reduced effectiveness power does just as well as normal smite vs Abbadon while still ignoring most of his defenses.
Actually, smite dealing d3/ d6 mortal wounds sidesteps the damage reduction of Abby as it registers as multiple 1 damage pings, not a single X damage ping, I believe.
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2017/09/11 04:14:14
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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Karhedron wrote:An autarch is a flexible Buff-mander but Abby is a powerhouse character, the odds are going to be against you. Asurmen might be worth a shot as he has a 3++ in CC and his sword can deal extra mortal wounds.
Asurmen is rather expensive, but I'll look into it.
Elbows wrote:Still sounds like you're playing into his trap. Sounds like a close-combat face off isn't the way to go.
I tried over 300 shots. Not a single wound.
JinxDragon wrote:Hey, if he wants to hand his soul to Slaanesh on a Black platter...
Opening Poster,
I would suggest running a few mock tests before you commit:-
Make a handful of different loadouts for your Autarch and run a few 1 on 1 battles with Mr. I-Can't-Crusade
If none of the loadouts can take him out in a straight fight, re-start the tests with Mr I-Can't-Clap at one Wound less
Repeat until one of the loadouts can reliably kill Mr It-was-all-one-Crusade-I-promise
They will not be the most accurate representation on the battle-field, but if it will at least give you an idea of how many Wounds you need to inflict before even risking the combat.
This shall be done. Mr. armless Mgee has to have some way I can reliably kill him.
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Badablack wrote:40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
chromedog wrote:From the Fuggly DEldar of the time, before they let Jes goodwin have his good and proper way with the entire faction design.
I don't want the best army, just one that isn't an exercise in picking up my models by turn 3.
Badablack wrote:40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
PenitentJake wrote:It doesn't matter if you're not dominating the game; if you have 3-4 x as many models and options than the rest of us and you're still getting new kits, we're still gonna rip on the faction. If I had 100 + Drukhari kits all in plastic to choose from, or 100 + Sisters kits, I think I'd be more likely to be receptive to Space Marine player's complaints about anything.
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2017/09/11 12:13:09
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Furious Raptor
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Ally with an imperial army and surround him with four rhinos.
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2017/09/11 14:59:04
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Shoot the choppy ones, chop the shooty ones, simples
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2017/09/12 03:30:40
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Screaming Shining Spear
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60 guardians for 3 turns is 360 shots...
without any support...
360 shots, 240 hits. This then drops to 80 wounds... half of which is -3ap
40 normal saves is just under 7 wounds unsaved. The bladestorm wounds are literally another 20 wounds after invulns...
That's not even thinking about the EML shooting.
60 guardians in 1 turn of fire is 120 shots which is about 26 wounds... which means that between the 6-7 unsaved blade storm wounds and the 1-2 from normal wounds he should die in a single volley.
With guide and or doom is even less models to kill him.
I think you might have just been unlucky!
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2017/09/12 03:55:04
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Fresh-Faced New User
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 Karhedron wrote:An autarch is a flexible Buff-mander but Abby is a powerhouse character, the odds are going to be against you. Asurmen might be worth a shot as he has a 3++ in CC and his sword can deal extra mortal wounds.
Have your farseer put Doom on Abbadon and then Asurmen should do the job.
or should help, but Abbadon is rather tanky and killy
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2017/09/12 06:33:28
Subject: Autarch vs Abbadon
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Asurmen vs Abaddon is most of the time in Abby's favour - more attacks with a better chance to wound
Its going to take 4 combat phases on average for Asurmen to take out Abby while Abby takes him out in 3
With Doom, Asurmen SHOULD win but its likely to be very close
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