Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Catachans are a solid choice alone for the better vehicle reliability. Couple that with what Srg Harkers ability( assuming they don't change that) and Catachans can make a more reliable fire base. Was hoping to see how their unique order worked though.

While I'm happy that I've got a Harker lying around as a fallback option, it does fill me with a glimmer of hope that this codex will not disappoint.

Here's hoping that the Militarum Tempestus will also get some good stuff thrown its way!

If all the Regiments are this powerful, it's gonna be a wild ride.

I'm hoping maybe the superheavies get some leadership effect back (or tanks in general) like their old Thunderous Barrage rule that made enemies take a leadership test on 4d6 if their blasts bapped them in the face.

I'd love to see super-heavies not get penalised for moving and shooting.

 BrookM wrote:
I'd love to see super-heavies not get penalised for moving and shooting.

Yeah, that'd be great, though my regiment allocates a trojan to each tank as often as possible.

In game terms, this means the superheavies get re-rolls to hit anyways, which far-outweighs the -1.

Since when are Catachans the best at firing tank guns? That seems like an odd choice.

Those Catachan traits are amazing. They already have Straken and Harker and now incredibly reliable tanks (almost every single LR variant and all flamer vehicles are improved by this) and very solid melee. This trait benefits you even if you don't build for melee because 90% of the time the enemy comes to assault you (and now you can hit them with d3 mortal wounds thanks to Viscous Traps). Also, Straken will be eviscerating things with STR 7 now.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Since when are Catachans the best at firing tank guns? That seems like an odd choice.

They are so super strong they can turn the turrets faster and push trigger buttons quicker!!

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Since when are Catachans the best at firing tank guns? That seems like an odd choice.

I honestly agree with your sentiment... I would have figured their vehicles would get to reroll flamer weapons' number of shots, not any random shot weapon. It's a bit odd, but hey, better more buffs than less!

People need to read the lore on superheavy tanks more.

The Catachans were one of three Regiments with a special character superheavy (Hellhammer Traitor's Bane). The other Regiments were the 1st Koenig (Baneblade 212 Arethusa) and the Armageddon Steel Legion (Shadowsword Iron Saint).

So they've actually got quite a history, at least with superheavies.

one tidbit I like is that they suggested kitting a command squad with a heavy flamer and four flamers, which assumes larger command squads. I, for one, am happy about that!

The reroll for shots is more psychological than game breaking, as it averages to only .72 more shots, assuming you keep anything 4 or more, and reroll 1-3. However... while it's only one die per weapon, it is every weapon, which makes things like hellhounds and dual heavy flamer chimeras more punchy.

It's also "anytime it fires," which means it provides the buff during overwatch as well.

On the whole, while I agree that it's initially not the best fluff fit for Catachans, I'm liking that regimental doctrines will be neat, but not huge.

I like it but if mortars and wyverns don't go up in price games are going to take forever. Reroll number of shots plus reroll ones on that many d6 is going to be insane.

 Polonius wrote:
one tidbit I like is that they suggested kitting a command squad with a heavy flamer and four flamers, which assumes larger command squads. I, for one, am happy about that!

The reroll for shots is more psychological than game breaking, as it averages to only .72 more shots, assuming you keep anything 4 or more, and reroll 1-3. However... while it's only one die per weapon, it is every weapon, which makes things like hellhounds and dual heavy flamer chimeras more punchy.

It's also "anytime it fires," which means it provides the buff during overwatch as well.

On the whole, while I agree that it's initially not the best fluff fit for Catachans, I'm liking that regimental doctrines will be neat, but not huge.

It's not about the averages though. It's about the below-average times.

I only roll a 2-5 for the Baneblade's shots rarely for my superheavy tank regiment, but when I do, I always always always use a command point to re-roll the lowest die. With this rule, I'd essentially re-roll the lowest die if it came up a 2 or lower, even if the other die was a 6!

Catachans get reroll on explosion weapons because they're the silly action-movie army. Duh. In an action movie, every single shot weapon needs to explode for effect, except for the sole exception of a whole squad of guys firing at something while one dude with a big gun and belt ammo goes "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!" (i.e. sgt harker).

In concept, I love everything about this for the Catachans. In practice, I'm disappointed by the execution of their stratagem. It would be OK if it were a guaranteed D3 mortals, 1cp is Noooooooot worth a 50% chance at a measley D3 mortals.

 Hulksmash wrote:
I like it but if mortars and wyverns don't go up in price games are going to take forever. Reroll number of shots plus reroll ones on that many d6 is going to be insane.

Mortars don't get to reroll number of shots. Only vehicles.

You mean like this?



Yeah I'd say they're re-rolling all their ones.

I love Ahnuld's squint in that gif. He looks like what he is shooting at is so far away he can't even see what it is.

Also, on topic:
I hope the rest of the regiment rules are this powerful...

All I ask after all these years is for my sergeants to be able to take a lasgun...

Now that would be something, the ability to have lasguns again..

I kinda thought Catatchans getting re-rolls for random hit dice was weird until I remembered they're the rambo explosions everywhere and machine gun army.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Infantry get +1S (not amazing on guardsmen, but it might be fun to try out with cheap units), and +1 Ld when near an Officer.

Now that's just stupid; do their muscles shrink when they are a 100 meters or so away from an officer? It would have been far better to make it a straight buff if the entire detachment was from keyword Catachan.

Pseudomonas wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Infantry get +1S (not amazing on guardsmen, but it might be fun to try out with cheap units), and +1 Ld when near an Officer.

Now that's just stupid; do their muscles shrink when they are a 100 meters or so away from an officer? It would have been far better to make it a straight buff if the entire detachment was from keyword Catachan.

The +1 Str is a complete buff, the Ld bonus is the one that takes effect around officers.

 Stus67 wrote:
I kinda thought Catatchans getting re-rolls for random hit dice was weird until I remembered they're the rambo explosions everywhere and machine gun army.

And I suppose they use their tanks to drive Catachan devils away from their lawn every morning (and weeding it with battle cannons), so they should be in practice.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
You mean like this?

Spoiler:

Yeah I'd say they're re-rolling all their ones.

And got more ones. In that scene they shot up the jungle and got one wound.

Catachan basilisks are going to be super reliable, 2D6 and pick the highest so say you roll a 5 and a 3, keep the 5 and reroll the 3 if you roll lower you're still guaranteed 5 shots but if you roll a 6 happy days!

Pseudomonas wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Infantry get +1S (not amazing on guardsmen, but it might be fun to try out with cheap units), and +1 Ld when near an Officer.

Now that's just stupid; do their muscles shrink when they are a 100 meters or so away from an officer? It would have been far better to make it a straight buff if the entire detachment was from keyword Catachan.

All Catachan have +1 Strength - they just get +1 LD when near an Officer.

Cool and pretty fluffy

 Crimson Devil wrote:
And got more ones. In that scene they shot up the jungle and got one wound.

To be fair the target had invisibility and a 2+ cover save.

I expect mordians will be something along the lines of some kinda re-roll with lasguns and overwatch buffs
Tallarn prob some infiltrating and faster tanks when they advance
Valhalla is what i'm putting my money on to be the best, they'll no doubt have a horrible conscripts re-gen strat
Cadian i'm thinking heavy BS buffs

interesting they are putting these doctrines in for a range of regiments modelwise that haven't been supported well in literally decades... do i feel a multipart regiment kit coming?

Please, PLEASE GW, make the Armageddon Steel Legion Regiment Doctrine awesome sauce...

Got to admit, those catachan doctrines are fantastic. Gives me hope the Guard will go from strength to strength!

I wonder what GW plan is for regiments without one of the 7 doctrines (not including tempest).
Is this going to just be the space marine blurb of choose the doctrine that closely matches ur army?
If so poor praetorians left out of the cool kids club...
And you would think with them only selling attilans rough riders they would have an attilan doctrine.
And I'm holding out hope that with the release of necromunda someone at GW gets the bright idea of adding back penal legions so they can cash in on the plethora of bits we will finally have access too.

I'm also disappointed there was NO Marbo leak today!!!