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Those Tallarn buffs seem meh to me. As someone who runs heavy weapons teams within infantry squads, I can't take advantage of the advance buff. The vehicles not getting -1 on heavy weapons is nice, but I don't own any baneblades and now I feel forced to buy one just to justify running a Tallarn regiment. Here's to hopeing they get a solid order and some decent stratagems.

Edit: I see now the doctrine is geared towards an advancing plasma gun spam ( and maybe demo charges?, still seems meh). This is going to take some kitbashing...

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
The vehicles not getting -1 on heavy weapons is nice, but I don't own any baneblades and now I feel forced to buy one just to justify running a Tallarn regiment..

I believe all Baneblade vehicles now ignore the move and fire heavy penalty.

There is still a lot we don't know.
Warlord traits
Relics
Most strategems
Any new orders
And lots of changes to rules and points...

However I think the big winners are valhallans with a strong showing for catachan.
I like steel legion though how competitive it is undetermined. 18in makes frfsrf brutal and the no -1ap is nice.
Militarum tempestus still are great for plasma drops.

They rumor for Tallarn said titanic vehicles. Which ones are those?

Apparently also tank commander commissars.

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Those Tallarn buffs seem meh to me.

I play a very mech heavy tallarn list and I'm very happy my russ's and sentinels no longer get a -1 its quite good along with all the other stratagems etc.

 gainsay wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Those Tallarn buffs seem meh to me.

I play a very mech heavy tallarn list and I'm very happy my russ's and sentinels no longer get a -1 its quite good along with all the other stratagems etc.

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Forgot it works on sentinels as well, maybe I was a bit hasty.

Yeah tallarn would really work well for an aggressive player. Almost all our vehicles have heavy weapons that have penalties on the move, Chimeras, sentinels, russes, devil dogs, Valkyries, etc. etc. Ignoring the penalty for moving would give you a surprisingly quick army compared to the average guard army. Superheavies advancing and firing could be kind of nuts too, although I'm not really sure why you would do it. Makes sense, they're supposed to be masterful tank commanders.

Nogil wrote:
Cadian
Re-roll hits of 1 in shooting phase if they didn't move in the previous movement phase. If an Infantry unit with this Doctrine is issued Take Aim! and did not move in the previous movement phase, re-roll all failed hits.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Hell, we don't know what Cadians are getting, they might just get reoll 1s on everythings and pask will basicly be a tank driving god.

GW, I was joking

 Luke_Prowler wrote:

Nogil wrote:
Cadian
Re-roll hits of 1 in shooting phase if they didn't move in the previous movement phase. If an Infantry unit with this Doctrine is issued Take Aim! and did not move in the previous movement phase, re-roll all failed hits.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Hell, we don't know what Cadians are getting, they might just get reoll 1s on everythings and pask will basicly be a tank driving god.

GW, I was joking

I've seen a lot of Cadian players complaining but honestly their benefit looks amazing. Heavy weapons teams with take aim will re-roll all misses. Always. That is insane. Its going to make Lascannons/Mortars etc that much more effective. Its like having a pocket Yarrick/Harker on your entire army for free.

it also makes Bring It Down worth considering, since previous it was kinda pointless compared to Take Aim

I was expecting Cadians to get something to do with orders - units can take multiple orders, officers can issue more, etc. This is effectively giving the entire army Take Aim, i suppose, but... eh?

Nice to see that the 'AM will be nerfed to the ground' fear mongering was proven to be nothing but background noise.

Based on these tidbits of information, GW has buffed at least some bad stuff, and added some quality of life improvements for mediocre stuff. The good and great units remain useful, if not even better. I think this round of buffs for the AM will keep them competitive vs the standard expected codex creep.

 draugadan wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:
I wonder if the new points changes and possible similar strategems will be included in the Genestealer Cult Codex... considering they borrow from the Guard and can take an allied detachment of them.

I've been wondering the same thing. I am right now assembling Genestealer Cult models. I have a 5 boxes of plastic Cadians, and every time I look at the pile of plastic I think about the new AM Codex (and GS Codex).

And... Edit. Just noticed Post 100! I mostly lurk.

I think Valhallan tactics would work very well for a Brood Brothers detachment, thematically.

jaxor1983 wrote:

Nogil wrote:
From Warhammer TV:

Tallarn
Infantry units can Advance and fire any weapon type except Heavy. When they do so they do not suffer the usual penalties to hit for Assault weapons.

Vehicles do not suffer the penalty to their hit rolls for moving and firing Heavy weapons. Titanic Vehicle can Advances and fire and then it treats all Heavy weapons it is equipped with as Assault weapons until the end of the turn.

Cadian
Re-roll hits of 1 in shooting phase if they didn't move in the previous movement phase. If an Infantry unit with this Doctrine is issued Take Aim! and did not move in the previous movement phase, re-roll all failed hits.

Militarum Tempestus
Get an extra shot with their guns for each 6+ to hit when the target is within half range.

Steel Legion
Infantry double their rapid fire at 18" instead of half range. Steel Legion Vehicles treat AP -1 as AP 0.

I was hoping steel legion would be great for transports, but... it looks to be the big loser of the 8 regiments.

This is still missing the rule for Cadian vehicles - unless they are also twin linked with 'Gunners, Kill on Sight!', instead of 'Take Aim'.

Sorry for not being clear enough - the Cadian is for both infantry AND vehicle.

Nogil wrote:

jaxor1983 wrote:

Nogil wrote:
From Warhammer TV:

Tallarn
Infantry units can Advance and fire any weapon type except Heavy. When they do so they do not suffer the usual penalties to hit for Assault weapons.

Vehicles do not suffer the penalty to their hit rolls for moving and firing Heavy weapons. Titanic Vehicle can Advances and fire and then it treats all Heavy weapons it is equipped with as Assault weapons until the end of the turn.

Cadian
Re-roll hits of 1 in shooting phase if they didn't move in the previous movement phase. If an Infantry unit with this Doctrine is issued Take Aim! and did not move in the previous movement phase, re-roll all failed hits.

Militarum Tempestus
Get an extra shot with their guns for each 6+ to hit when the target is within half range.

Steel Legion
Infantry double their rapid fire at 18" instead of half range. Steel Legion Vehicles treat AP -1 as AP 0.

I was hoping steel legion would be great for transports, but... it looks to be the big loser of the 8 regiments.

This is still missing the rule for Cadian vehicles - unless they are also twin linked with 'Gunners, Kill on Sight!', instead of 'Take Aim'.

Sorry for not being clear enough - the Cadian is for both infantry AND vehicle.

Hahahahhahahahahahahahahah!

Sorry for the immature response but that's just insane beyond belief. Free 'Take Aim!' orders on every single infantry and army wide Harker on every single vehicle, including Pask that gets to shoots twice now. Holy gak that's just obnoxious. I was hoping that people would spit less on me when I walk into the store with my IG, now I don't even dare to enter the store..

 Zewrath wrote:

Nogil wrote:

jaxor1983 wrote:

Nogil wrote:
From Warhammer TV:

Tallarn
Infantry units can Advance and fire any weapon type except Heavy. When they do so they do not suffer the usual penalties to hit for Assault weapons.

Vehicles do not suffer the penalty to their hit rolls for moving and firing Heavy weapons. Titanic Vehicle can Advances and fire and then it treats all Heavy weapons it is equipped with as Assault weapons until the end of the turn.

Cadian
Re-roll hits of 1 in shooting phase if they didn't move in the previous movement phase. If an Infantry unit with this Doctrine is issued Take Aim! and did not move in the previous movement phase, re-roll all failed hits.

Militarum Tempestus
Get an extra shot with their guns for each 6+ to hit when the target is within half range.

Steel Legion
Infantry double their rapid fire at 18" instead of half range. Steel Legion Vehicles treat AP -1 as AP 0.

I was hoping steel legion would be great for transports, but... it looks to be the big loser of the 8 regiments.

This is still missing the rule for Cadian vehicles - unless they are also twin linked with 'Gunners, Kill on Sight!', instead of 'Take Aim'.

Sorry for not being clear enough - the Cadian is for both infantry AND vehicle.

Hahahahhahahahahahahahahah!

Sorry for the immature response but that's just insane beyond belief. Free 'Take Aim!' orders on every single infantry and army wide Harker on every single vehicle, including Pask that gets to shoots twice now. Holy gak that's just obnoxious. I was hoping that people would spit less on me when I walk into the store with my IG, now I don't even dare to enter the store..

That's actually pretty sweet. But is it better than Valhallans? What's the Cadian stratagem?

 Crazyterran wrote:
I was expecting Cadians to get something to do with orders - units can take multiple orders, officers can issue more, etc. This is effectively giving the entire army Take Aim, i suppose, but... eh?

They used to have a Sarge that could issue orders to his squad. Only cool Cadian character.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

They used to have a Sarge that could issue orders to his squad. Only cool Cadian character.

Knight Commander Pask would like to have a word with you.

 JB wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

They used to have a Sarge that could issue orders to his squad. Only cool Cadian character.

Knight Commander Pask would like to have a word with you.

Bastonne was cooler.

So...

.... still no input on which is the best for my superheavy regiment?

Cadians are a non-starter, as bringing Trojans means I re-roll all misses anyways.

Tallarn are fun because high mobility baneblades sounds badass.

Valhallans are fun to keep them shooting longer, but the regimental doctrine will probably only work on one tank at a time if the opponent is smart.

Catachans are an incremental firepower increase, which is okay but not AMAZING really. Too many 2d6/highest or 2d6 weapons.

Vostroyans look nice and will help out the siege tanks and secondary weapons, but the range on most main guns is so long that it's rather pointless (woo 78" range baneblade cannon...)

Putting the overall strength of the army aside for a moment, I like how it's not obvious which regiment is best. There are good options available for all of them.

It's also good that they didn't just copy and paste the space marine chapter tactics and stratagems.

So far, so good, basically. Now if there's a slight increase in infantry prices we'll have a pretty cool codex.

 Aaranis wrote:
I'm kind of glad for Imperial Guard players that they get a cool codex full of fluffy rules and powerful stratagems, but I can't help thinking it's almost provocative to release a codex like that after GW has half-pissed the AdMech codex with half of the forge-worlds being useless and so few rework/points adjustments on units that desperately need it. Meanwhile IG gets cheap stratagems to have lightning-fast Baneblades charging in CC and Skaven-like orders (so basically a free stratagem) to shoot in a CC unit.

I feel like you haven't seen the AdMech stratagems.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Aaranis wrote:
I'm kind of glad for Imperial Guard players that they get a cool codex full of fluffy rules and powerful stratagems, but I can't help thinking it's almost provocative to release a codex like that after GW has half-pissed the AdMech codex with half of the forge-worlds being useless and so few rework/points adjustments on units that desperately need it. Meanwhile IG gets cheap stratagems to have lightning-fast Baneblades charging in CC and Skaven-like orders (so basically a free stratagem) to shoot in a CC unit.

I feel like you haven't seen the AdMech stratagems.

Someone in YMDC has pointed out that there is an AdMech stratagem which allows you to shoot in any phase for 1CP. Allowing a unit of 6 Kastellans to fire 378 times in one turn for 6CP.

Nobody's actually going to play it that way, so it doesn't seem to speak to anything other than perhaps GW's alleged laziness in putting together the AdMech codex. It does seem to me that AdMech players can reasonably be annoyed that Mars Robots got even better while nothing else is particularly compelling, even if you could probably get something out of Dragoons and maybe deep-striking Electropriests now. As far as internal balance goes, it'd be a bit like if Conscripts were getting buffed while Leman Russes got a minor point decrease and nothing else. Certainly Guard players have seemed much happier with the previews they've been getting.

That said, obviously it's not like GW should have half-assed the Guard codex just because the AdMech codex is supposedly bad. And, I mean, if they could only do a good job with one of them it definitely makes sense to have it be Guard.

People that think the admech codex is bad are crazy. That book is one of the stronger releases. They equate a low number of changes to unit entries from the index to the codex as a bad thing somehow when all it really means is that they were one of the more balanced index armies. Which they were. The FW doctrines are mostly solid and the stratagems takes the army past 11 most of the time.


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Back on topic, now that the cadian doctrine was clarified I think they move into the winning seat possibly. Thats a lot of free take aim, on tanks to boot, gross.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/29/regimental-focus-armageddon-sep29gw-homepage-post-2/

Ogryn Bodyguard! A generic HQ (Or elite?) Ogryn hero! This inconsistence is a little baffling even if I prefer it to a strict no model-no rules policy. So you have Ogryn Bodyguard and Dreadknight Grandmaster but your possessed can't have DR or your BLightlords can't take Powerfists

Pretty good on the mechanized infantry route. Seems like fun.

 Galas wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/29/regimental-focus-armageddon-sep29gw-homepage-post-2/

Ogryn Bodyguard! A generic HQ (Or elite?) Ogryn hero! This inconsistence is a little baffling even if I prefer it to a strict no model-no rules policy. So you have Ogryn Bodyguard and Dreadknight Grandmaster but your possessed can't have DR or your BLightlords can't take Powerfists

The Ogryn plastic kit allows for you to build it.

Yeah, I suppose one can look at it that way.