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Apologies if this has been asked several times, in fact the reason I'm posting is because I thought I remembered reading a rule interpretation on here that runs counter to the plainly written rule. But just to clarify!

The rule says make a shooting attack with one of your weapons or throw a grenade when you die. I read somewhere on here (maybe?) you had to shoot a pistol because you're within 1" on the enemy (if in h2h) but otherwise you could shoot at a nearby enemy with anything else. And that would also mean in h2h you can't drop a grenade when you die. But in the rule it just says basically pick a weapon and use it, and codex rules over ride rule book rules, and it's written pretty clearly, so I think you can shoot anything, h2h or otherwise. Thoughts?

Of course you can use a grenade within 1", the codex is giving you explicit permission to do so. You can also fire non pistol weapons.

"the slain model can make a shooting attack with one of its ranged weapons, or throw a grenade, even if the model’s unit is within 1" of the enemy."

Thanks man. That's how I read it too, but someone on a forum over analyzed it and ruined the seemingly obvious nature of the rule

Please, for my curiosities sake:
What was the broken logic they used?

Cause, even without the line specifically stating otherwise, the restriction on selecting Units during the Shooting Phase still wouldn't apply....

 JinxDragon wrote:
Please, for my curiosities sake:
What was the broken logic they used?

Cause, even without the line specifically stating otherwise, the restriction on selecting Units during the Shooting Phase still wouldn't apply....

Except that (provided the quoted wording is accurate) saying "makes a shooting attack" isn't exactly "attacks as if it were its shooting phase". This would almost always be an out-of-phase action, or at the very least occuring in your opponent's Shooting Phase.

I too would like to see that old thread.

The "broken logic" I recall seeing was quoting the FAQ that specifically said they can only use Pistols in this situation. You're reading just the rules without reading the FAQs.

The newer versions of this ability, like the Ad Mech one, clarify that you can target enemies within 1" of a friendly or shoot the closest unit if within 1" of an enemy. They are different from the Noise Marines Music of the Apocalypse.

But Music of the Apocalypse doesn't do this. It grants permission to shoot within 1" of an enemy but not permission to violate the targeting rules, which are separate from the "cannot shoot within 1" of an enemy rules". They are two separate rules that the Ad Mech and similar abilities specifically override but the Noise Marines Music of the Apocalypse does not. The FAQ from GW also confirmed this by saying you can only use pistols.

Basically, you can throw grenades and shoot at other targets as long as they aren't within 1" of friendlies but if you shoot the target that's within 1" of you then you have to obey the targeting rules, which only pistols have the legal authority to shoot at models within 1" of their unit.

FAQ 1:
Q: Can a Noise Marine that is slain use his Music of the
Apocalypse ability to shoot any viable target, or does it have to
target the unit that killed him?
A: It can shoot at any viable target.

Keyword: VIABLE target.

FAQ 2:
Q: If a Noise Marine is slain whilst its unit is within 1" of an
enemy unit, can he use his Music of the Apocalypse ability to
shoot the unit that is within 1"?
A: Yes, but only with a Pistol.

Keyword: ONLY with a pistol.




So yeah... it's not about over analyzed anything, it's about you're reading words don't exist and assuming one rules override implies a second rules override.

Oh yes, I now remember that Frequently Asked Question and how it was being misapplied:
The question involved about a very specific situation where the slain Noise Marine wants to target a Unit within 1 inch... the Authors stated this is possible, but only with the use of a pistol.

This makes complete sense as the Noise Marine has no other weapon that grants an exception from the Targeting Restriction in question; it can only ever target a Unit within 1 inch of friendly if using a Pistol.