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Given the drop of tue new codex, what does everyone deem to be the optimum lodout for deepstriking scions?
HSVGs are down 3, melta seems unchanged but plasma guns have either gone up to 13 or 15 for scions depending on the source (can anyone confirm?).

At 15 points per plasma gun I'd probably go for melta guns or a mixture of melta and plasma. At 13 points it would be a toss up between the two. I'd probably not go for HSVGs given the lower strength ap and damage.

 Naix wrote:
Given the drop of tue new codex, what does everyone deem to be the optimum lodout for deepstriking scions?
HSVGs are down 3, melta seems unchanged but plasma guns have either gone up to 13 or 15 for scions depending on the source (can anyone confirm?).

At 15 points per plasma gun I'd probably go for melta guns or a mixture of melta and plasma. At 13 points it would be a toss up between the two. I'd probably not go for HSVGs given the lower strength ap and damage.

at 13 points plasma is still bette in my opinion, as dp2 averages out to better damage than d6. But it comes down to whether you want to gamble or not, and whether you're hitting 2w terminators or a big vehicle. . Melta needs an alternate deployment to take advantage of its special, either vehicle or valkyrie, and both are done better by veterans.

They better not be 15, because 13 points is fair for bs3+ scions, its what marines pay.

HSVGs were awesome at 9, if they're only 6 they're going to be killer. All my MT troop squads will be packing HSVG at that price point, and the command suicide squads will take the plasma and do their silly unfluffy suicide drops.

15 points is fair IMHO since scions can deep strike and take a plasma for each dude in the unit if you use command squads. SM can't deep strike and can only have one plasma every 5 guys.

 Blackie wrote:
15 points is fair IMHO since scions can deep strike and take a plasma for each dude in the unit if you use command squads. SM can't deep strike and can only have one plasma every 5 guys.

The deep strike is factored into the base cost of the scions, unless a 4+ armor save is somehow worth 3ppm.

My stormtroopers have some Melta mixed with their Plasma.

Sure, deep striking 9"+ away is a bit of a gamble with Melta but I've had results with them. While Plasmas kill elite troopers, Meltas kill vehicles. Even if you shoot a meltagun outside of half range, it's still better against vehicles than a plasmagun.

But make no mistake, most of them should still have Plasmaguns.

Reportedly plasmas are 15 points on scions, 12 points on veterans and 7 points on guardsmen.

 RedCommander wrote:
My stormtroopers have some Melta mixed with their Plasma.

Sure, deep striking 9"+ away is a bit of a gamble with Melta but I've had results with them. While Plasmas kill elite troopers, Meltas kill vehicles. Even if you shoot a meltagun outside of half range, it's still better against vehicles than a plasmagun.

But make no mistake, most of them should still have Plasmaguns.

Yeah, I've considered mixing one melta gun in each group, and saving a reroll for its wound roll.

Exploding 6s in a scion only detachment could be really nasty with meltas though. But that's all a luck gamble.

RogueApiary wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
15 points is fair IMHO since scions can deep strike and take a plasma for each dude in the unit if you use command squads. SM can't deep strike and can only have one plasma every 5 guys.

The deep strike is factored into the base cost of the scions, unless a 4+ armor save is somehow worth 3ppm.

It should be factored into the base cost of scions but actually it isn't. Are scions only 9ppm, right? 24 points for a deep striking plasma that has access to the re-rolls of 1s seems fair, if not a bargain. A SM with a plasma gun costs 26 points (27 if he's a space wolf), and has a slightly better profle but can't deep strike and doens't have the same cheap access to the re-rolls of 1s, he need a more expensive character. Not to mention that only 1 dude per 5 models can have a special weapon, while all the scions in the command squad can be equipped with plasma gun and with the deep strike ability they have a very effective combo, even at the current points cost.