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 THUNDERHAMMER wrote:
Whats a good way to build a smaller Graia force? Im looking to ally them for my Custodians/ Knights. Im assuming the vanguard shooting into melee is pretty darn nice when It happens but its hard to pull off?

It isn't, its more of charge deterrent than actual tactic. Small force will be mass infantry, maybe two battalions, rangers and vanguards and corpuscari and fulgurites.. Its one of instances where Manipulus is actually viable.

With the new FAQ being out i noticed this part in the Admech's codex :



This means that we can give canticles to one of our knights now, even in a full detachment.

Also, rage of the machine truly only affects one model in a unit.


And finally, the sad part :



No more unkillable electropriests

How many Castellans will we see on eBay. Lol the chaos point hike for theirs.

 Ideasweasel wrote:
How many Castellans will we see on eBay. Lol the chaos point hike for theirs.

Where are the new points for the Castellan? i keep seeing people talk about it but i cant find it in the IK errata

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Ideasweasel wrote:
How many Castellans will we see on eBay. Lol the chaos point hike for theirs.

Where are the new points for the Castellan? i keep seeing people talk about it but i cant find it in the IK errata

Its in the general big FAQ that they posed to facebook

Agamembar wrote:

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Ideasweasel wrote:
How many Castellans will we see on eBay. Lol the chaos point hike for theirs.

Where are the new points for the Castellan? i keep seeing people talk about it but i cant find it in the IK errata

Its in the general big FAQ that they posed to facebook

Got it , thanks.

Phew yeah, RIP the castellan.

I own a Castellan and didn’t use him that often.

But for 704 points. Why not just take a Porphyrion?

These changes look good for Admech though. Unless you like disembarking Graia electropriests from an exploding termite drill

 Ideasweasel wrote:
I own a Castellan and didn’t use him that often.

But for 704 points. Why not just take a Porphyrion?

These changes look good for Admech though. Unless you like disembarking Graia electropriests from an exploding termite drill

Agreed, with the general nerf to Imperial soup as it stands (castellan) and a nerf to all flavors orAeldari soup (Ynnari or just abusing Doom) maybe its time for admech to shine competetively.
GW reverting the way Graia works with FnP is sad tho, they did say that they stacked in a previous faq.

Still, pure admech or admech + knight + 2x armiger might actually be a real contender.
We can now get a full superheavy detachment and still be able to give canticles to our big knight (cover/reroll 1's for crusader, reroll 1's in fight for gallant, anyone?)

And I’d type one thing that I’m surprised escaped a nerf.....but it im starting to suspect they actively scan forums so message me if you want to know the answer lol

man im glad i didnt just buy 20 electropriests lol...

I just bought a drill recently and the vehicle exploding charge change doesn’t make me confident in its abilities

Vineheart01 wrote:man im glad i didnt just buy 20 electropriests lol...

electropriests are still good even without graia, i personally run them as stygies with great success

Ideasweasel wrote:I just bought a drill recently and the vehicle exploding charge change doesn’t make me confident in its abilities

dont you just charge in with the drill to eat overwatch then have the priests that disembarked follow?

I actually don’t know, I’ll admit my ignorance here. I haven’t even assembled it and my understanding of melee rules is patchy at best.

To use the Drill there is three choices:

- DS them as usual, and so disembark at 9" from any enemies;
- Start on the board, that way you can move for one turn, disembark the next, still have your movement and charge with the Drill to soak Overwatch;
- Infiltrate the Drill with Stygies, try to have first turn, start 9" from the enemy and disembark on your turn, for a less than 3" charge

Stygies one is dead now though.

Despite probably being obvious to most that’s a handy reference for me lol.

Thanks Aaranis. I’m too used to gun line and a bit of a noob when it comes to melee interactions

Q: When a rule allows a model or unit to take an action (move, shoot, charge, fight or attempt to manifest a psychic power) outside of the normal turn sequence, and that rule explicitly mentions to make that action as if it were a different phase of the turn structure to the current one, e.g. ‘That unit can shoot as if it were the Shooting phase’, do rules that are normally used during that phase (in the example this would be the Shooting phase) take effect? Is the same true of Overwatch attacks?



A: With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’. However, if a Stratagem specifies that it must be used in a specific phase, then it can only be used in that phase (e.g. you cannot use a Stratagem that says ‘Use this Stratagem in the Shooting phase’ to affect a unit that is Shooting ‘as if it were the Shooting phase’). For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase.

 0XFallen wrote:
Q: When a rule allows a model or unit to take an action (move, shoot, charge, fight or attempt to manifest a psychic power) outside of the normal turn sequence, and that rule explicitly mentions to make that action as if it were a different phase of the turn structure to the current one, e.g. ‘That unit can shoot as if it were the Shooting phase’, do rules that are normally used during that phase (in the example this would be the Shooting phase) take effect? Is the same true of Overwatch attacks?



A: With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’. However, if a Stratagem specifies that it must be used in a specific phase, then it can only be used in that phase (e.g. you cannot use a Stratagem that says ‘Use this Stratagem in the Shooting phase’ to affect a unit that is Shooting ‘as if it were the Shooting phase’). For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase.

Was about to post this, kinda good for shooty kastellans with cawl.

Wow, that’s quite cool. If only avoid overwatch units like slam captains didn’t get to avoid

So after Dark Reapers were nerfed with the new Ynnari index now also lootas got a nerf. That means Dragoons gogo?

Page 138 – The Dagger of Tu’Sakh
Add the following sentence at the start of the rules text:
‘Infantry Officer model only.’
Change the first sentence to read:
‘During deployment, you can set up the bearer and
one Astra Militarum Infantry unit from your
army behind enemy lines instead of placing them on
the battlefield.

There goes that, too.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
The clarification to "as if it were the shooting phase" means that you get lots of re-rolls in overwatch. Give Cawl a nice bonus.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/warhammer_40000_update_April_2019_en.pdf

Nice...

 Rex2490 wrote:
Page 138 – The Dagger of Tu’Sakh
Add the following sentence at the start of the rules text:
‘Infantry Officer model only.’
Change the first sentence to read:
‘During deployment, you can set up the bearer and
one Astra Militarum Infantry unit from your
army behind enemy lines instead of placing them on
the battlefield.

There goes that, too.

bought one within the last few days lol

Re-rolls for Overwatch is great for sure, did not expect that at all. Time to get back to having to try to screen out Fly models in the charge phase again though. Very difficult against things like jump pack characters and infantry that are able to fight twice.

xlDuke wrote:
Re-rolls for Overwatch is great for sure, did not expect that at all. Time to get back to having to try to screen out Fly models in the charge phase again though. Very difficult against things like jump pack characters and infantry that are able to fight twice.

As awesome as this is , its mostly flavor text since your heavy hitters should rarely get charged if you screen properly. Rerolling my vanguards/rangers in overwatch isnt exactly OP

If you screen with breachers is it worth it?

 Ideasweasel wrote:
If you screen with breachers is it worth it?

Its a free buff, if its worth it or not isnt the point. Sure, Breachers hit harder and wound easier than skitariis so i gues that yes, its better with them, however the rate of fire is lower than vanguards.

Its not a buff that i'd build a list around, its more like something to keep in mind when it comes up.

Orks are the only ones i can think of that would intentionally use that change...since pretty much all of my units that arent pure melee have a pretty high rate of fire.
Everyone else would rather avoid being charged period. Robots in turret mode have a high rate of fire but are also rather pricy and probably dead if they get charged.

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Ideasweasel wrote:
If you screen with breachers is it worth it?

Its a free buff, if its worth it or not isnt the point. Sure, Breachers hit harder and wound easier than skitariis so i gues that yes, its better with them, however the rate of fire is lower than vanguards.

Its not a buff that i'd build a list around, its more like something to keep in mind when it comes up.

My first thought was that Kastelans are now useless again with flyers charging straight through, but with cawl rerolls it could hurt a lot.

VladimirHerzog wrote:

 Ideasweasel wrote:
If you screen with breachers is it worth it?

Its a free buff, if its worth it or not isnt the point. Sure, Breachers hit harder and wound easier than skitariis so i gues that yes, its better with them, however the rate of fire is lower than vanguards.

Its not a buff that i'd build a list around, its more like something to keep in mind when it comes up.

Yeah I’m toying with breachers. Although my preferred playstyle tends to be stygies and a mobile force at that.

I have yet to try out breachers and see how they tick

Change to overwatch makes charging balistarii even more suicidal lol