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 Vineheart01 wrote:
I was surprised when i saw onagers couldnt squad up.
Leman Russ tanks can squad up after all.

What is sad is that they used to be able to.

Going to repost this, since it got auto appended and lost.

So I might have to go to my backup list because two of my models seem to be taking longer to arrive than expected. It's basically dropping a Kastelan and Dragoons for a Knight. But Styrix or Crusader?

497 - Knight Crusader - Thermal Cannon, Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer
Heavy Stubber, Stormspear Rocket Pod, Warlord: Ion Bulwark (-1 CP), Relic: Headsman's Mark (-1 CP)

+Much more dakka; AGC is great anti-infantry and Stormspear is solid and cheap anti-vehicle shooting
-Thermal Cannon much worse than Volkite Chierovile
-Going to be outranged by Castellans and most tank hunters
-Auto-lose in melee against most Knights
-Have to invest in durability

475 - Knight Styrix - Volkite Chierovile, Reaper Chainsword, Graviton Crusher, Warlord: First Knight (-1 CP), Relic: Headsman's Mark (-1 CP)

+Cheaper
+Much more well-rounded
+Reroll 1s for both fighting and shooting
+Built-in 3+/4++ (use Rotate when fighting), self-repair, and ignore cover
+Chainsweep
+Graviton Crusher is much better than Heavy Stubber
-Reaper is less useful than a second gun in most cases
-No Stormspear

Still leaning toward Styrix, but willing to have my mind changed. Here's the list:

You could put first knight and headmans mark on a crusader. Assuming it lives for a few turns it’s CP investment though

But on the plus side if you see very little armour you can swap out to endless fury relic which I’m very fond of. It can be amazing versus -2 to hit eldar when you get lucky and hit a few lucky 6’s

So one +better selection of relics

I don't think I have the CP to sustain Rotate Ion Shields AND Tech-Adepts/Machine Spirit Resurgent for long.

I guess? Styrix can go for Armor of the Sainted Ion (2+/4++ is pretty nuts) or Mark of the Omnissiah (so much healing!). Maybe Ravager? (Are there any T8 <10W models?)

I think I will go with the Styrix after all. Good Distraction Carnifex, especially for fighting. Very durable and low CP commitment.

Im looking to go to an ITC missions event

What do we think of hoplites for the engineers mission

 Suzuteo wrote:
Are there any T8 <10W models?

Ironclad Dreadnought is the only one that comes to mind.

 Redemption wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
Are there any T8 <10W models?

Ironclad Dreadnought is the only one that comes to mind.

So yeah. Against a pure horde, definitely Armour of the Sainted Ion. I laugh at their bolter-equivalents.

 Suzuteo wrote:
I don't think I have the CP to sustain Rotate Ion Shields AND Tech-Adepts/Machine Spirit Resurgent for long.

I guess? Styrix can go for Armor of the Sainted Ion (2+/4++ is pretty nuts) or Mark of the Omnissiah (so much healing!). Maybe Ravager? (Are there any T8 <10W models?)

I think I will go with the Styrix after all. Good Distraction Carnifex, especially for fighting. Very durable and low CP commitment.

2+ save can be amazing I had a game where that plus Taranis FNP meant my knight just didn’t seem to die.

Will you get time to test your list before the tournament?

I think I will have one week. Haha.

Final question before I submit my list:

Which Warlord trait? Necromechanic on my Enginseer or Prime Hermeticon on my Manipulus?

There's no Vehicles in your Graia detachment, no point giving Necromechanic to the Enginseers. Prime Hermeticon helps your Breachers.

It's for the Knight.

I’d say boost your damage

Damage is always good, repairs are very situational

Well there aren´t many things to benefit from the rerolls from Prime Hermiticon to be fair. 9 Breachers if they still live to this point + the Manipulus and Cawl (he has got the infantry keyword right?)
Healing 4 wounds a turn on a Knight is not bad at all.

 lash92 wrote:
Well there aren´t many things to benefit from the rerolls from Prime Hermiticon to be fair. 9 Breachers if they still live to this point + the Manipulus and Cawl (he has got the infantry keyword right?)
Healing 4 wounds a turn on a Knight is not bad at all.

I've had some fun with some ryza electropriests backed up by a manipulus with prime hermeticon and anzion's pseudodegenerator. its pretty cool to run at your opponent when hes expecting a gunline

That was specifically in regard to Suzuteos list. Prime Hermeticon can be very strong e.g. when spamming Breachers.

Sigh my friend is convincing me to go with Crusader now. (I am being hilariously indecisive.) He pointed out that I can't fight with aircraft and furthermore, that horde and triple Crusader is going to be more popular than ever, so going with a single Crusader is better for the meta. I can still position him like the Styrix and use him as a midfield defender too.


I also am now considering the Icarus carapace weapon. Frees up 33 points for singleton Plasma Calivers. Or I can just upgrade all my Rangers to Vanguard again for the very useful aura.

 Redemption wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
Are there any T8 <10W models?

Ironclad Dreadnought is the only one that comes to mind.

Competitively out there are our drills and plagueburst crawlers also.

Icarus on a Krast Crusader might actually be pretty nice: Flat 3 damage autocannon against flyers.

Crusader I think gives you that extra flexibility.

Your friend speaks sense.

I think this is it then:

I have 17 spare points, bought two extra Vanguard. Anyone else have a better idea? I sort of prefer bodies over upgrades at this point; this is the least infantry I have ever run in 8E.

Just waiting on confirmation from FLG on the Manipulus point cost. I think it should be 85.

Definitely boys over toys

IronVaught wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
Are there any T8 <10W models?

Ironclad Dreadnought is the only one that comes to mind.

Competitively out there are our drills and plagueburst crawlers also.

They both have 10 wounds or more though.

 Redemption wrote:

IronVaught wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
Are there any T8 <10W models?

Ironclad Dreadnought is the only one that comes to mind.

Competitively out there are our drills and plagueburst crawlers also.

They both have 10 wounds or more though.

Salamanders have even better one. T9 <10W character dreadnought.

As i said many times for your list Suzuteo i dont know if you can find more kataphron models but i would change your list to :

1*4 breachers
1*4breachers
1* 3 destroyers??

3 Dakkabots if the numbers fit or close to this. The extra elimination volley option can help you against - to hit enemies get another option for anti tanks etc etc.

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/05/40k-tough-love-the-worst-armies-in-the-game.html

How BOLS? How are AdMech one of the worst armies???

 The Forgemaster wrote:
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/05/40k-tough-love-the-worst-armies-in-the-game.html

How BOLS? How are AdMech one of the worst armies???

That site is clickbait central and does 0 research. they probably dont even know about all the buffs that admech got since the codex released.

Honestly i'd consider admech top tier, especially with the destruction of ynnari and the nerf to the castellan

they would be right if looking at the unfaq'd book.
Heck a LOT of the prices got sliced in half or almost half. Even Knights went down in price after initial release.

Could also be looking at powerlevels, which for some reason never get tweaked. Admech still have high powerlevels, every 2k list i come up with seems to have almost 135-140PL lol

It would be hilarious if they judge competitiveness around Power Level

tneva82 wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

IronVaught wrote:

 Redemption wrote:

 Suzuteo wrote:
Are there any T8 <10W models?

Ironclad Dreadnought is the only one that comes to mind.

Competitively out there are our drills and plagueburst crawlers also.

They both have 10 wounds or more though.

Salamanders have even better one. T9 <10W character dreadnought.

Just checked, Bjorn the Fell-handed is a T8 8 wound 3+ save/5++FnP Dreadnought character (with 8" movement to boot) with good ranged and excellent melee output. Quite a beast and well worth his points, but sadly in an extremely weak Codex, so facing him shouldn't be a problem because it should be pretty easy to murder the rest of the Space Wolves list he comes with and then deal with him. Storm Shield dreadnoughts getting an unnecessary nerf also limited his ability to go on the offensive as a double- or triple dreadnought pack too (absorbing lascannons with their 3++ save and preventing Bjorn from being targetable, a popular combination before the SW Codex released).

 Vineheart01 wrote:
they would be right if looking at the unfaq'd book.
Heck a LOT of the prices got sliced in half or almost half. Even Knights went down in price after initial release.
Could also be looking at powerlevels, which for some reason never get tweaked. Admech still have high powerlevels, every 2k list i come up with seems to have almost 135-140PL lol

My guess is that none of the BOLS writers (those that were available to right the piece anyhow)play Admech or paid attention to the pretty massive buffs we got with CA18 and Vigilus and probably only read the Admech Codex at best.

I m not sure atm in competitive play I see various detachments of space wolves working fine . And I know they have over costs units etc and can't play single faction as blood angels but I can definitely say they got a superb detachment even us can use .

And I have a list with one detachment space wolves as I do with blood angels and various others.

Soup is on the menu after faq and there now even more dedliier lists than pre faq.

So yes click bait site but single codex armies if you consider that they are not wrong . No ad mech can't compete with new cigarette solo codex as many others from harlequins till blood angels and ttyrannids . Single codex is hard ATM.