A reconsidering on Khorne Daemons

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**vaklor4**

I am officially amazed.

When I first started collecting Khorne, I expected the Daemons to simply be a side attraction, something to fill in the blanks. Last night I played about half Daemons and half World Eaters, and those Daemons were a force to be feared.

My Bloodletters with their ability to bring back dead models on a 1 for morale (d6 models!) And the Herald on Blood Thrones ability to just shred models and rengerate before even attacking, and the fact EVETYTHING gets a free power sword and 5++, This is an army that makes up for its flaws more than handedly on board.

I am very excited for the Daemon codex. Very.

**MechaEmperor7000**

The thing is Daemons and CSM are suppose to support each other, and often a combined force becomes much more than the sum of it's parts.

Running a pure Khorne Daemon force and you might find it to be very wanting. The Marines, even if they don't directly buff the daemons, still act as support by bringing in some heavily armored stuff and (most importantly for Khorne Daemons) some guns.

**vaklor4**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The thing is Daemons and CSM are suppose to support each other, and often a combined force becomes much more than the sum of it's parts.

Running a pure Khorne Daemon force and you might find it to be very wanting. The Marines, even if they don't directly buff the daemons, still act as support by bringing in some heavily armored stuff and (most importantly for Khorne Daemons) some guns.

I found using mixed and choosing a Prince as your warlord makes for an absolutely terrifying character. And I couldnt agree more on their lack of armor...considering.how hilariously lackluster their only heavy support is.

**Chaos_Lord_Tom**

Isn't the blood throne weak with its 5+/5++ save ? I guess you have to plan your positionning smartly to keep him alive. Especially since its crushing impact works for models less than 1'' away after charge, it means that he should charge first and eat overwatch.

**vaklor4**

Chaos_Lord_Tom wrote:
Isn't the blood throne weak with its 5+/5++ save ? I guess you have to plan your positionning smartly to keep him alive. Especially since its crushing impact works for models less than 1'' away after charge, it means that he should charge first and eat overwatch.

Just like everything in that index for Khorne Daemons, he's squishy, quite squishy. I believe he has a 4+ save, but remember what he has that really matters: the character keyword. If you keep him behind your Bloodletters, most things will not be able to hit him. And with his rather massive base, you can always tilt him on a diagonal from the charge, to get the maximum impact on a larger unit size. It's only going to be the first row, but that first row can still be a good 6-7 models.

**Dovis**

I found the decrease in cost for Bloodletters surprising to say the least, they were already performing way above their points cost

**CREEEEEEEEED**

I found that Dreadnoughts absolutely munched Khorne daemons in CC. A dread and ven dread pretty much single-handedly killed a Bloodthirster (they brought it down to five wounds with MM and PC before CC) the a unit of three bloodcrushers and then a unit of ten bloodletters in three consecutive turns.

**vaklor4**

I found with Khorne very specifically, you need that charge first. A LOT of their buffs come off of attacking and charging first, making their first attack matter a lot. If they get charged, hope to god you have 2 CP to attack first, otherwise it's not a good time.

**Nightlord1987**

Bloodletters are surprisingly good this edition. They beat out daemonettes as the TAC daemon now IMO. But I also don't mess with tzeentch stuff...

**Dalymiddleboro**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The thing is Daemons and CSM are suppose to support each other, and often a combined force becomes much more than the sum of it's parts.

Running a pure Khorne Daemon force and you might find it to be very wanting. The Marines, even if they don't directly buff the daemons, still act as support by bringing in some heavily armored stuff and (most importantly for Khorne Daemons) some guns.

I run pure nurgle daemons with mortarion.

They do great without csm

**vaklor4**

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The thing is Daemons and CSM are suppose to support each other, and often a combined force becomes much more than the sum of it's parts.

Running a pure Khorne Daemon force and you might find it to be very wanting. The Marines, even if they don't directly buff the daemons, still act as support by bringing in some heavily armored stuff and (most importantly for Khorne Daemons) some guns.

I run pure nurgle daemons with mortarion.

They do great without csm

KHORNE Daemons

Tzeech and Nurgle do just fine solo. Slaneesh and Khorne are the bad off ones.

**MechaEmperor7000**

Mortarion is a Death Guard CSM unit. If you wanna go by just the Daemon Keyword, then technically you can run an all-daemon list that is also technically an all Heretic Astartes list by using Daemon Princes, mounted chaos lords, Possessed, Obliterators, Daemon engines, and Warp Talons, without ever even touching a single actual Chaos Daemons entry.

**Dalymiddleboro**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Mortarion is a Death Guard CSM unit. If you wanna go by just the Daemon Keyword, then technically you can run an all-daemon list that is also technically an all Heretic Astartes list by using Daemon Princes, mounted chaos lords, Possessed, Obliterators, Daemon engines, and Warp Talons, without ever even touching a single actual Chaos Daemons entry.

Mortarion is a daemon primarch...

Fluff wise he's fine in a pure daemons list

**MechaEmperor7000**

Yes but we're not talking about fluff. And Mortarion is still not a Chaos Daemons unit, which was the point of the original post you're trying to discredit. I never said mono-daemons weren't playable, I'm saying they're stronger when combined with CSM (especially when a lot of Daemon units are from CSM, DG or T-Sons now, and I'm not just talking about the lesser daemons being included). Not even pure Tzeentch Chaos Daemons is better than a mixed force, since they benefit infinitely more from having Magnus in there (who is a T-Sons unit).

Plus, like Vaklor4 said, this thread is about KHORNE daemons.