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What are the point of rumors when we have a community site that straight up tells us the truth a month ahead of time? Including rules, sneak peaks, etc.

This seems like a whiny thread, I hated the old format of who could out click bait whom. And you know what? Those sites you mentioned will sink/swim depending on what ORIGINAL content they can develop. Dakka has stayed in my daily check up because the community here strives to discuss and bring up great discussion. The other ones? (#notsomuch #facebookclickbait #hashtag)

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Well. Primaris Marines and Mortarion were leaked nearly 1 year in advance. So, sometimes we still receive leaks and rumours. And I don't know if calling Lady Atia rumour monger is good anymore. She don't say rumours, she give us small bits of information that GW allows her to tell us. Those aren't rumours, are more similar with the small images Warhammer Community post.

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:
I don't get why they're not teasing more about future releases. Some people need to save money for the more expensive models, and knowing they're coming could mean they're buying them when they come out, instead of putting it off until later.

I get that you don't want rumours too long before release though, as it's hard to care about what's in the far future, but a few months doesn't seem unreasonable.

The last time i heard it mentioned, their marketing strategy was on having timmy + mom walk into the store and drop several hundred pounds (or regional equivalent) on whatever they had available at the time - and then never coming back again. This may have changed, but if so i'm not aware of it. I'd like to think that they're more long-term focused than that now, but, well.......

What is this non sense? They officially confirmed Death Guard something like 8-9 months before the first kit for them reached the shelves. They did the same with Shadespire, and Necromunda. They have been informing us, with months in advance, from their new products. This is not the old GW, at least not in relation to the information they give us about their future releases.

I'll bite. I wasn't paying attention 8-9 months ago. What exactly did they tease? Did they mention the specific units, or just the army variation (death guard)? Was it gw, or was it one of the 'leakers'? Please, inform me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpiywQo-RGc

They published this video in... it was Adepticon? i think it was Adepticon, 6-7 months ago.

drbored wrote:
On top of this, GW launched its Warhammer Community site, an attempt to wrangle the negative aspects of the 40k and AoS community and get people to look at official sources for news, instead of sites such as BoLS, Natfka, and all the forums out there where arguments and griping run rampant thanks to our legion of keyboard warriors that spout whatever nonsense they think is relevant to the conversation. Relax. I'm one of those guys too.

Those guys deliberately spread false rumors about Sisters of Battle being released in plastic. They openly admitted to it. I hate them and I let them know about it on Facebook.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

drbored wrote:
On top of this, GW launched its Warhammer Community site, an attempt to wrangle the negative aspects of the 40k and AoS community and get people to look at official sources for news, instead of sites such as BoLS, Natfka, and all the forums out there where arguments and griping run rampant thanks to our legion of keyboard warriors that spout whatever nonsense they think is relevant to the conversation. Relax. I'm one of those guys too.

Those guys deliberately spread false rumors about Sisters of Battle being released in plastic. They openly admitted to it. I hate them and I let them know about it on Facebook.

You need to calm down. Step away from the keyboard and go take a walk or something buddy.

The thing that I miss is that rumors would sometimes predict things a whole year in advance. And it wouldn't be vague stuff like "Oh yeah, Orks are getting a new codex eventually" it would be specifics. "Marines are getting a new model that has a digital pad on their arm and they're way bigger than normal, in Mark X armor." That's the stuff we used to get, and sometimes even pictures of models 8+ months in advance.

That's what I miss. I miss having things way ahead.

Also, I don't really care about Codexes. I care about MODELS. I want more Models, more variety, more of the old updated and new things created. That's the stuff I want from GW.

I hate rumormongering. I would rather have concrete info from the company rather than "speculation". all of the leaks only mess with their marketing strategy. Reliable and accurate are not what rumors make.

If they're going to release something, just let them release info when it is appropriate.

You only have to read thru some of the rumor mill threads that degenerate into arguments about whose "info" is most correct.

I love the community site and hope that they continue the trend of releasing info at a surprising rate.

 Purifier wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Guess Atia saying Tau getting a release in 2018 is "nothing"?

There should be about 20+ codex releases in 2018. "predicting" that Tau is one isn't exactly clairvoyance.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius] She responded to someone asking about upcoming releases and if there would be any themed sub-army releases for 40k. Atia responded to him and said Tau would be getting something not directly part of the Tau Empire. This has typically been seen to mean auxiliaries or possibly Farsight Enclaves release.

This was months and months ago a month and a half or so before 8th dropped. I suspected even then that It probably isn’t until next year.

Here is the proof. People still probably act like it’s wrong.

The only problem with Lady Atia's rumor, is it's very old now.
She is essentially always right in her predictions, so I have no doubt GW has been working on some non-empire Tau stuff at some point. But maybe it's been scraped since then. Or maybe it's ripe for a 2018 release.
Time will tell, but I don't give it as much credit as Atia's rumor that basically say "that precise stuff is coming soonish".

Many if her rumours only come true later. As a matter of fact you will find much of the stuff she says is longer range rumours. It’s not even that old compared to some of hers that came true.

Even when her rumor first came out I didn’t expect it this year. Why would I when GW was covering everything in the short term.

Edit
Actually she should be more careful and change her identity with every rumor post but perhaps find a way to let us know it’s her. At this point I’m getting enough of her pattern down to guess who she is. I can only imagine what the people in charge have access too.

 Galas wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Well. Primaris Marines and Mortarion were leaked nearly 1 year in advance. So, sometimes we still receive leaks and rumours. And I don't know if calling Lady Atia rumour monger is good anymore. She don't say rumours, she give us small bits of information that GW allows her to tell us. Those aren't rumours, are more similar with the small images Warhammer Community post.

 Torga_DW wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:
I don't get why they're not teasing more about future releases. Some people need to save money for the more expensive models, and knowing they're coming could mean they're buying them when they come out, instead of putting it off until later.

I get that you don't want rumours too long before release though, as it's hard to care about what's in the far future, but a few months doesn't seem unreasonable.

The last time i heard it mentioned, their marketing strategy was on having timmy + mom walk into the store and drop several hundred pounds (or regional equivalent) on whatever they had available at the time - and then never coming back again. This may have changed, but if so i'm not aware of it. I'd like to think that they're more long-term focused than that now, but, well.......

What is this non sense? They officially confirmed Death Guard something like 8-9 months before the first kit for them reached the shelves. They did the same with Shadespire, and Necromunda. They have been informing us, with months in advance, from their new products. This is not the old GW, at least not in relation to the information they give us about their future releases.

I'll bite. I wasn't paying attention 8-9 months ago. What exactly did they tease? Did they mention the specific units, or just the army variation (death guard)? Was it gw, or was it one of the 'leakers'? Please, inform me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpiywQo-RGc

They published this video in... it was Adepticon? i think it was Adepticon, 6-7 months ago.

I stand corrected, that's clearly death guard models. Not much else in the way of info there, did they release anything else about the same time? Like that deathguard would be getting their own codex?

I totally missed that video. Then again, I'd never heard of the Death Guard before the Dark Imperium box was shown.

None of my more lore-steeped friends mentioned it either.

Rumors were garbage anyway. We've been having "OH SO RELIABLE RUMORS!" about plastic Sisters for longer than either of my two nephews have been alive, including the one that collects 40k.

GW haven't always been completely honest, when asked if Sly Marbo would return in the Codex they said it would see the return of several familiar faces missing from the Index. We didn't get any non-index characters.

TSR and WotC would regularly post upcoming books for D&D some 6-12 months in advance. I would always have a good idea of what was coming down the pipe and plan my purchases. And I can tell you, until they rolled out 4E, I didn't miss a purchase.

Then, there is GW. I first started coming to Dakka to find out what was coming for 40K because GW couldn't be arsed to inform anyone and the only way to know what was coming was to find it on the shelf at the FLGS. (This was tail end of 5th; the big Necron revamp).

If GW is willing to share their upcoming releases - sort of like the "10 codexes" - but tell us EXACTLY what's coming, I'm fine with that; I can save up for those purchases and have an idea how long until its out.

But if they want to do this crap of preorders this week, it's out next week, feth 'em and give me back my rumors.

Isn't GW also 'afraid' of news of future releases cannibalizing/canceling present day sales?

Or something like that?

That does seem to be their attitude - and it was always a "rumor" I heard that supposedly tied to a round of codexes (maybe 2E or 3E) that they lost money on because business slowed when they announced a new edition was coming. As the story goes, when they got stuck with a bunch of non-selling books, they stopped advertising ahead of time and went to "you'll find out about when we release it".

However, GW seems to be one of the few hobby businesses I know of that is afraid to toot their own horn months in advance about new product in the pipe - at least compared to, say FFG.

 Stormonu wrote:
That does seem to be their attitude - and it was always a "rumor" I heard that supposedly tied to a round of codexes (maybe 2E or 3E) that they lost money on because business slowed when they announced a new edition was coming. As the story goes, when they got stuck with a bunch of non-selling books, they stopped advertising ahead of time and went to "you'll find out about when we release it".

However, GW seems to be one of the few hobby businesses I know of that is afraid to toot their own horn months in advance about new product in the pipe - at least compared to, say FFG.

Well it comes back to my "gotcha! screw you!". From a business standpoint, yeah they want to keep selling models/rules right up to the last second. From a customer stand-point, you don't want to pay for something (especially something expensive like gw products) that will be invalidated in a month, week or day. For everyone to get along, the business and the customer have to find that fine line where both parties are happy. But gw seems to be only concerned with their own best interests. The problem is you need to keep the customer base happy, and while it may not be a concern for their core demographic, at the same time it's going to drive away potential customers for whom it is a concern.

I have noticed a slow down in rumor updates.

 Alpharius wrote:
Isn't GW also 'afraid' of news of future releases cannibalizing/canceling present day sales?

Or something like that?

Exactly. This is why they don't announce things too far in advance. If they are going to make a new, let's say, Chaos Marine kit, they want to sell as many of the old one first, and announcing a new one will slow down sales.

So you have this paranoia over reduced sales for old kits which is why they don't announce replacements, and you have the fear of being out-done by 3rd parties for new kits that they don't have out yet. This is the combination that keeps GW from releasing any media months in advance.

Sure, we get teases, the Rumor Engine and we knew about Shadespire and the Citadel Paint App well in advance, but it used to be only rumors that would give us the 6+ month clairvoyance.


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 pretre wrote:
I have noticed a slow down in rumor updates.

There you have it ladies and gents.

Heres your "i want rumors"

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/10/new-start-collecting-craftworlds-box.html

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Heres your "i want rumors"

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/10/new-start-collecting-craftworlds-box.html

Am I being an idiot or is that not a legal detachment, just like the Start Collecting box that's being replaced?

Maybe it's a hint that Wraithguard are going to become a Troops choice.

It not currently, but that might change with Eldar Codex, they might have some type of formations in the form of detachments.

I can't see Wraithguard as troops, it feels wrong. Then again, Windriders as troops also felt wrong, but that only happened because Saim-Hann could take them as troops.

I could see Iyanden getting Wraithguard/blades as troops.

fresus wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:

 Commissar Benny wrote:
For example: Sisters of Battle, Orks, Dark Eldar all desperately need new models. What would be the harm in leaking an upcoming release for them if the new models were just updated versions of the existing models?

What's wrong with the Dark Eldar models? Almost all DE models are from 2010 or later, and they look lovely. The exception is Drazhar. He's a bit ugly.

Yes, apart from the named characters, most of the range is pretty good.

You don't like Lelith Hesperax? Well, there's no accounting for taste...

The Necromunda reboot is a HUGE deal for those who have been playing GW games for a long time.

Ruin wrote:

fresus wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:

 Commissar Benny wrote:
For example: Sisters of Battle, Orks, Dark Eldar all desperately need new models. What would be the harm in leaking an upcoming release for them if the new models were just updated versions of the existing models?

What's wrong with the Dark Eldar models? Almost all DE models are from 2010 or later, and they look lovely. The exception is Drazhar. He's a bit ugly.

Yes, apart from the named characters, most of the range is pretty good.

You don't like Lelith Hesperax? Well, there's no accounting for taste...

I realized I forgot about Lelith after posting I actually love the model (expect for the fact it's finecast). I had Drazhar, Urien and all the discontinued models in mind.

As for the new CWE Start collecting, it could also become a valid detachment if the wraithguards were moved to heavy support.

We also have confirmation of when the Nids drop, along with a picture of the SC box.

 Hollow wrote:
The Necromunda reboot is a HUGE deal for those who have been playing GW games for a long time.

I know it's hard to confer tone on the Internet. I'm genuinely curious, so assume my tone is friendly and inquisitive:

Why is that? Was it an especially well-regarded game, and in that case: why?
I've heard that a lot of people are excited for it, but they all seem to just assume everyone knows why.

Necromunda was one of the best games from "classic" gw. The customization of your gang help make it what it was.

I am looking forward to the reboot and can't wait for my Delaque reign supreme!

Well, it's about time we got SOMETHING.

Granted it's for something that literally is going to be coming out in the next few weeks.

Though I'm very curious about that tank that leaked. It looked Forgeworld.

drbored wrote:
Well, it's about time we got SOMETHING.

Granted it's for something that literally is going to be coming out in the next few weeks.

Though I'm very curious about that tank that leaked. It looked Forgeworld.

Yeah, you can see part of the word "Forge" on the page, and it's not painted in Ultramarine colours. Pretty decent indicators it's Forge World.