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TangoTwoBravo wrote:
Units in Index Imperium 2 have Acts of Faith written on their datasheet. They don't spell out the entire rule but refer you to the page where the rule is found.

If the argument is that because the AM Crusaders have the Acts of Faith in their Unit Abilities every unit with Acts of Faith gets to roll 2+ and get another unit to use Acts of Faith then that would also apply to every other unit with Acts of Faith found in Index Imperium 2. Its clear that the Index 2 Armies can only have one Acts of Faith per turn unless they have a special ability granting more and the wording is the same. Since the only thing that changed was spelling out Acts of Faith in the datasheet for the one unit in AM that has the rule for convenience, I don't see how RAW has changed.

Actually, if you are correct and nothing has changed, then we've been playing Sisters wrong also. If, indeed, the wording has not changed, then Sisters should get a 2+ per unit as well.

I don't think the wording makes it clear its once per army. It implies it, certainly (though I do believe that wording is actually gone from the Imperial Guard crusaders, which means the wording has indeed changed) by saying 'if you get this ability from another source, a unit may only benefit once per turn." But all that says is a single unit cannot be given multiple Acts of Faith - nowhere does it actually, specifically, say that it's only rolled for once per turn.

I think just having it on the unit datasheet made that clearer to me, rather than having it written elsewhere and then shorthanded on the unit datasheet.

Lastly, the wording has changed, I'm fairly sure, omitting the part I mentioned above in the AM dex.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
Units in Index Imperium 2 have Acts of Faith written on their datasheet. They don't spell out the entire rule but refer you to the page where the rule is found.

If the argument is that because the AM Crusaders have the Acts of Faith in their Unit Abilities every unit with Acts of Faith gets to roll 2+ and get another unit to use Acts of Faith then that would also apply to every other unit with Acts of Faith found in Index Imperium 2. Its clear that the Index 2 Armies can only have one Acts of Faith per turn unless they have a special ability granting more and the wording is the same. Since the only thing that changed was spelling out Acts of Faith in the datasheet for the one unit in AM that has the rule for convenience, I don't see how RAW has changed.

Actually, if you are correct and nothing has changed, then we've been playing Sisters wrong also. If, indeed, the wording has not changed, then Sisters should get a 2+ per unit as well.

I don't think the wording makes it clear its once per army. It implies it, certainly (though I do believe that wording is actually gone from the Imperial Guard crusaders, which means the wording has indeed changed) by saying 'if you get this ability from another source, a unit may only benefit once per turn." But all that says is a single unit cannot be given multiple Acts of Faith - nowhere does it actually, specifically, say that it's only rolled for once per turn.

I think just having it on the unit datasheet made that clearer to me, rather than having it written elsewhere and then shorthanded on the unit datasheet.

Lastly, the wording has changed, I'm fairly sure, omitting the part I mentioned above in the AM dex.

The Index 2 wording is" Roll a D6 at the start of each of your turns. On a roll of 2+, one unit from your army with the Acts of Faith ability can perform an Act of Fate chosen from the following list." Thus far identical to the AM entry. It then goes on to say "Some abilities may allow you to use more than one Act of Faith in the same turn..." There are no such units that provide an extra Act of Faith in the Codex AM, so its an unnecessary line that got dropped.

You can tell from the rules in Index Imperium 2 that it's one per turn per army unless you have a further special ability. Lets look at those in the Index.

Celestine has: "Saintly Blessings: At the start of any of your turns you can pick a friendly ADEPTA SORORITAS unit within 6" of Celestine and perform an Act of Faith. This is addition to the Act of Faith you are normally allowed to perform in a turn." So its a singular Act of Faith per turn unless you have Celestine's ability, for instance. The Imagifier has the same rule with the same wording so you get an additional Act of Faith due to that unit.

Its pretty clear to me that its one Act of Faith per turn per Army unless you have an additional ability. Since Act of Faith was always an ability in the datasheets nothing has changed.

Cheers

T2B

TangoTwoBravo wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
Units in Index Imperium 2 have Acts of Faith written on their datasheet. They don't spell out the entire rule but refer you to the page where the rule is found.

If the argument is that because the AM Crusaders have the Acts of Faith in their Unit Abilities every unit with Acts of Faith gets to roll 2+ and get another unit to use Acts of Faith then that would also apply to every other unit with Acts of Faith found in Index Imperium 2. Its clear that the Index 2 Armies can only have one Acts of Faith per turn unless they have a special ability granting more and the wording is the same. Since the only thing that changed was spelling out Acts of Faith in the datasheet for the one unit in AM that has the rule for convenience, I don't see how RAW has changed.

Actually, if you are correct and nothing has changed, then we've been playing Sisters wrong also. If, indeed, the wording has not changed, then Sisters should get a 2+ per unit as well.

I don't think the wording makes it clear its once per army. It implies it, certainly (though I do believe that wording is actually gone from the Imperial Guard crusaders, which means the wording has indeed changed) by saying 'if you get this ability from another source, a unit may only benefit once per turn." But all that says is a single unit cannot be given multiple Acts of Faith - nowhere does it actually, specifically, say that it's only rolled for once per turn.

I think just having it on the unit datasheet made that clearer to me, rather than having it written elsewhere and then shorthanded on the unit datasheet.

Lastly, the wording has changed, I'm fairly sure, omitting the part I mentioned above in the AM dex.

The Index 2 wording is" Roll a D6 at the start of each of your turns. On a roll of 2+, one unit from your army with the Acts of Faith ability can perform an Act of Fate chosen from the following list." Thus far identical to the AM entry. It then goes on to say "Some abilities may allow you to use more than one Act of Faith in the same turn..." There are no such units that provide an extra Act of Faith in the Codex AM, so its an unnecessary line that got dropped.

You can tell from the rules in Index Imperium 2 that it's one per turn per army unless you have a further special ability. Lets look at those in the Index.

Celestine has: "Saintly Blessings: At the start of any of your turns you can pick a friendly ADEPTA SORORITAS unit within 6" of Celestine and perform an Act of Faith. This is addition to the Act of Faith you are normally allowed to perform in a turn." So its a singular Act of Faith per turn unless you have Celestine's ability, for instance. The Imagifier has the same rule with the same wording so you get an additional Act of Faith due to that unit.

Its pretty clear to me that its one Act of Faith per turn per Army unless you have an additional ability. Since Act of Faith was always an ability in the datasheets nothing has changed.

Cheers

T2B

You're right, it's clear it's thought of by the studio that way (especially by Celestine's wording).

But I don't know if implication = clearly stated. I mean heck, all you'd have to do is put an "s" at the end of Act in your italicized portion and it becomes one-roll-per-unit again. That's typo territory, lol.

So far, I have convinced my playgroup to accept the "once per turn per army" ruling, but I hope it gets FAQ'd soon.

How I read it.


Roll a d6 at the start of each of your turns. On a roll of 2+, ONE unit from your army with this ability can perform Act of Faith chosen from the following list.

So if your army completely consisted of sisters of battle, one and one only can roll, and on a 2 plus use an act of faith.

You do not have to, and you do not roll for every unit as clearly stated in the rule / codex book.

Lungpickle wrote:
How I read it.


Roll a d6 at the start of each of your turns. On a roll of 2+, ONE unit from your army with this ability can perform Act of Faith chosen from the following list.

So if your army completely consisted of sisters of battle, one and one only can roll, and on a 2 plus use an act of faith.

You do not have to, and you do not roll for every unit as clearly stated in the rule / codex book.

The problem is that every unit has that rule, so you have multiple instructions to roll a D6.

You can't say it only happens once, because then you can claim that for other units.

So we have a situation where celestine implies one thing but adding a single S change's that implication completely as someone said earlier type0 territory.

Vs the wording as written which is clear you have multiple acts one per unit.

So raw it seems sisters also roll many d6.

Rai the implication is clear one act of faith

So initially it would seem we have rai contradicting raw and a problem. however luckily there is a convention to cover such awkward situation. raw overrules rai so problem solved celestine doesn't matter sisters roll many d6

Seeing this entire thread has made me bring up my own question. If I take two different orders (two different detachments, so Order of Our Martyred Lady and Order of the Argent Shroud) would each order generate their own faith point as well or it would it just be one faith point for all of them? This is assuming that not every unit rolls a D6 for the act of faith.

I wasn't too sure if I should have made a separate thread for this question, seeing as it is related to the same rule and wording.

 Necrosis wrote:
Seeing this entire thread has made me bring up my own question. If I take two different orders (two different detachments, so Order of Our Martyred Lady and Order of the Argent Shroud) would each order generate their own faith point as well or it would it just be one faith point for all of them? This is assuming that not every unit rolls a D6 for the act of faith.

I wasn't too sure if I should have made a separate thread for this question, seeing as it is related to the same rule and wording.

I would say because it's an army wide, book tied special rule, it would only trigger once. It would be like having two CSM Detachments or two SM detachments.

What if an AM Crusader squad was taken in a AM detachment fielded alongside a Sisters of Battle detachment? Do they both get to use the 2+ AoF rule from their Dex/Index or does combining the two force one to surrender their AoF chance?

On a side note, allowing each SoB detachment to roll a 2+ to generate its own AoF would certainly help with AoF scaling.

 dracpanzer wrote:
What if an AM Crusader squad was taken in a AM detachment fielded alongside a Sisters of Battle detachment? Do they both get to use the 2+ AoF rule from their Dex/Index or does combining the two force one to surrender their AoF chance?

On a side note, allowing each SoB detachment to roll a 2+ to generate its own AoF would certainly help with AoF scaling.

The Astra Mil. crusader ones do not use the Adept. Minis. version of the rule, it's totally unique and self contained.