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 General Kroll wrote:
It’s not about need. It’s about what sells enough units to keep the lights on at GW HQ. if them selling a tonne of Primaris Marines now means that they will have the capital to invest in a new plastic range for Eldar, Sisters or Squats then I’m all for it.

I try not to be a salty Sisters player, but I'll believe this when I see a Plastic Battle Sisters box.

 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.

I think you could do it in 3 kits.

Banshee/Hawk
Scorp/Dragon
Reaper/Spider

They represent light/medium/heavy armour styles, and with different heads, arms (some backpacks/wings) and other accessories would work quite well. Boxes of 6 (including Exarch weapons).

 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.

The same sad, tired old arguments were trotted out against Dark Eldar, Harlequins Ad Mech and Genestealer Cults

Likely they were also droned out around the boardroom table at GW together with - " meh just make Mmarines - its the only possible model that will ever sell - no sales figures are nothing to do with the fact that we put 95% of our marketing and support behind them - its because people only want marines."

Then when other things sell the same drones rumble on about how Marines would have sold more etc etc.

t’s not about need. It’s about what sells enough units to keep the lights on at GW HQ. if them selling a tonne of Primaris Marines now means that they will have the capital to invest in a new plastic range for Eldar, Sisters or Squats then I’m all for it.

Except its more likely to be

"Did we sell Marines?" yep

Well keep making them -

"should we make other things?"

"Well, do we know they will sell?

"Similar models and ranges do very well for other companies ."

Ah but have they done well for us?"

"Well no but we don;t make them."

"See - we need to make more MAHRINES"

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.

The same sad, tired old arguments were trotted out against Dark Eldar, Harlequins Ad Mech and Genestealer Cults

Likely they were also droned out around the boardroom table at GW together with - " meh just make Mmarines - its the only possible model that will ever sell - no sales figures are nothing to do with the fact that we put 95% of our marketing and support behind them - its because people only want marines."

Then when other things sell the same drones rumble on about how Marines would have sold more etc etc.

It's not just a faction problem, but also a brand new kit vs redoing an old one. Most people who would buy new aspect warriors would also buy a brand new eldar unit (because they like eldar), while some would buy the new one and not a redone aspect kit (because they have enough aspects already). Especially the gamer only crew if the new models come with powerful rules.

With that in mind, I believe the next new kits we'll see for Aeldari will be a proper Ynnari release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.

I think you could do it in 3 kits.

Banshee/Hawk
Scorp/Dragon
Reaper/Spider

I agree that 3 kits would do the trick, but I think it makes more sense to combine Dragons/Reapers and Scorp/Spiders. This is due to the similar poses that each would likely have.
Dragon/Reapers are both standing straight with both feet on the ground holding a 2 handed gun.
Scorp/Spiders can both have crouching or leaping stances.

Fully agree Banshees/Hawks though

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Honestly at this point I believe we will see plastic Sisters before plastic Aspects.

146$ USD worth. Wonder if they will keep it at 85$ or bump it to 100$ like the Daughters of Khaine AoS starter box. If its at 85 this is a super good deal. War Walkers might even been good in the new codex!

str00dles1 wrote:
146$ USD worth. Wonder if they will keep it at 85$ or bump it to 100$ like the Daughters of Khaine AoS starter box. If its at 85 this is a super good deal. War Walkers might even been good in the new codex!

The Daughters of Khaine box wasn't a "Start Collecting".


GW's very good about the branding/image of products. No "Start Collecting" tag means it was just intended to be a bundle box.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

str00dles1 wrote:
146$ USD worth. Wonder if they will keep it at 85$ or bump it to 100$ like the Daughters of Khaine AoS starter box. If its at 85 this is a super good deal. War Walkers might even been good in the new codex!

The Daughters of Khaine box wasn't a "Start Collecting".

GW's very good about the branding/image of products. No "Start Collecting" tag means it was just intended to be a bundle box.

But did you guys notice the new Start collecting! box is quite different from the others? So far, all the SC boxes have a white background, and the strip at the top/bottom has some 40K-looking texture, like the space marine one:

The new ones (both CWE and tyrannid) have a dark background and a different top/bottom strip design. They could be changing the box art for 8th edition, or they could be moving away from the "same price for all boxes" approach. Or it could be a fake.
I suppose a change in box art is the most probable, but I still find it weird.

[MOD EDIT- RULE #1 - Alpharius]

'Craftworlds' without the Aeldari bit is a funny box title. The word sounds silly to the uninitiated.

 Modock wrote:

really need some attention. Tau has some pretty old units too. You pay premium prices for old but ugly models.
Crisis suits are 60 € and they show age really badly..

Wait what? Arent Crisis Suits from 2013 or 2015. I agree that they are overpriced, but Tau like Dark Eldar is one of the most up to date ranges. Barring some kroot units, vespids and our characters, that event being finecast are very good looking, the rest is very nice looking plastic.

 Galas wrote:

 Modock wrote:

really need some attention. Tau has some pretty old units too. You pay premium prices for old but ugly models.
Crisis suits are 60 € and they show age really badly..

Wait what? Arent Crisis Suits from 2013 or 2015. I agree that they are overpriced, but Tau like Dark Eldar is one of the most up to date ranges. Barring some kroot units, vespids and our characters, that event being finecast are very good looking, the rest is very nice looking plastic.

They could be thinking of the old ones from when they first got released, for a moment I thought the same. Checked GW's web store and the battlesuits are not the saem as those originally released.

 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.

Exactly. How old are the plastic Dire Avengers? I’d have thought if they’d been a roaring sales success we would have seen another aspect get the same treatment by now.

 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. .

Well, presumably they would go "dual-kit" the way they did with Wraithguard. Simply add variants/weapon options. Banshee shrine with blades, Banshee shrine with whips, Banshee shrine with spears, etc.., etc.. each shrine a different head/mask style, plus more weapon options for the exarch..... etc...

I don't know what Dire Avengers' rules were like last edition, but if they're not selling now I suspect the problem has relatively little to do with the models.

fresus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

str00dles1 wrote:
146$ USD worth. Wonder if they will keep it at 85$ or bump it to 100$ like the Daughters of Khaine AoS starter box. If its at 85 this is a super good deal. War Walkers might even been good in the new codex!

The Daughters of Khaine box wasn't a "Start Collecting".

GW's very good about the branding/image of products. No "Start Collecting" tag means it was just intended to be a bundle box.

But did you guys notice the new Start collecting! box is quite different from the others? So far, all the SC boxes have a white background, and the strip at the top/bottom has some 40K-looking texture, like the space marine one:

Spoiler:

The new ones (both CWE and tyrannid) have a dark background and a different top/bottom strip design. They could be changing the box art for 8th edition, or they could be moving away from the "same price for all boxes" approach. Or it could be a fake.
I suppose a change in box art is the most probable, but I still find it weird.

It's more than probable, it's already been done.

They're repacking stuff from the previous way to the new way as they pull it to redo the instructions to have the datasheets.

So, it looks like that Natfka rumor was wrong since tyranids are next.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.

The same sad, tired old arguments were trotted out against Dark Eldar, Harlequins Ad Mech and Genestealer Cults

Likely they were also droned out around the boardroom table at GW together with - " meh just make Mmarines - its the only possible model that will ever sell - no sales figures are nothing to do with the fact that we put 95% of our marketing and support behind them - its because people only want marines."

Then when other things sell the same drones rumble on about how Marines would have sold more etc etc.

t’s not about need. It’s about what sells enough units to keep the lights on at GW HQ. if them selling a tonne of Primaris Marines now means that they will have the capital to invest in a new plastic range for Eldar, Sisters or Squats then I’m all for it.

Except its more likely to be

"Did we sell Marines?" yep

Well keep making them -

"should we make other things?"

"Well, do we know they will sell?

"Similar models and ranges do very well for other companies ."

Ah but have they done well for us?"

"Well no but we don;t make them."

"See - we need to make more MAHRINES"

You totally contradict yourself here. On one hand you’re saying Dark Eldar, Ad Mech, Harlequins and Genestealer Cults all got big releases, before going on to say GW only ever really want to make Marines.

Could it be that by selling, obviously popular Marine kits and making cold hard cash out of them, allows them to invest in the design and sculpts needed for big non marine releases?

It’s obvious GW are more than willing to take risks and release new non marine model ranges, on a regular basis. They also clearly need to invest money in sure fire sales winners like Space Marines.

I'm pretty sure my Warp Spider models are from 1993.
They are nice models but after 24 years I think they might be due an update...

 pretre wrote:
So, it looks like that Natfka rumor was wrong since tyranids are next.

Natfka rumour is Craftworld Pre-order this weekend (which would be a fortnight after Guard and 4 weeks after AM) and Tyranids following a fortnight later.

No I am saying that they all eventually got releases despite people saying "OMG no can't do ,only marines sell" and we still have people on this thread saying the same thing. If they had listened to the "Marines only" people we would not have had them.

And if those Non marine releases "Shock horror" sold well maybe they should do more non marines and just have Forge World churning out near exclusive marine products as they do now.

Many people won't buy fine cast or metal so making plastic non marines actually increases your market. They have already had to invent an whole new species of Marine plus squeeze every lost drop of blood out of the "chosen" Marines (Wolves, Angels) to keep Marines selling.

Honestly the worst kits in the Eldar kits aren't even the Aspects, it's the Guardians. They show their age really badly, their weapons are comically large and there's next to no detail on the models. A Guardian/Avenger kit would be most welcome next to other Aspect kits.

 Mymearan wrote:
Honestly the worst kits in the Eldar kits aren't even the Aspects, it's the Guardians. They show their age really badly, their weapons are comically large and there's next to no detail on the models. A Guardian/Avenger kit would be most welcome next to other Aspect kits.

I really like the Guardian kit, the fact that they are unfussy and have clean lines really appeals. Don’t think their weapons are out of proportion either.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Honestly the worst kits in the Eldar kits aren't even the Aspects, it's the Guardians. They show their age really badly, their weapons are comically large and there's next to no detail on the models. A Guardian/Avenger kit would be most welcome next to other Aspect kits.

I really like the Guardian kit, the fact that they are unfussy and have clean lines really appeals. Don’t think their weapons are out of proportion either.

Agreed - they are quite nice.

 Kanluwen wrote:

fresus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

str00dles1 wrote:
146$ USD worth. Wonder if they will keep it at 85$ or bump it to 100$ like the Daughters of Khaine AoS starter box. If its at 85 this is a super good deal. War Walkers might even been good in the new codex!

The Daughters of Khaine box wasn't a "Start Collecting".

GW's very good about the branding/image of products. No "Start Collecting" tag means it was just intended to be a bundle box.

But did you guys notice the new Start collecting! box is quite different from the others? So far, all the SC boxes have a white background, and the strip at the top/bottom has some 40K-looking texture, like the space marine one:

Spoiler:

The new ones (both CWE and tyrannid) have a dark background and a different top/bottom strip design. They could be changing the box art for 8th edition, or they could be moving away from the "same price for all boxes" approach. Or it could be a fake.
I suppose a change in box art is the most probable, but I still find it weird.

It's more than probable, it's already been done.

They're repacking stuff from the previous way to the new way as they pull it to redo the instructions to have the datasheets.

It is just a repack with new art. I bought a new Start Collecting Necrons box last week, and was surprised by the dark box art. But the contents were identical to the older white box I already had. No datasheets.

My guess is new Ynnari faction with new models next year, bascally the Primaris versions of Eldar. Look at the characters... they are larger then normal Eldar models (Yvraine etc...). This may include some aspects, but the models will be slightly larger to represent them returning to their old strength, pre-fall.

It is disheartening to see every old codex coming out so far getting nothing. Except SM.

Nobody is getting any love. :(
I don't understand what GW is doing here.

 dan2026 wrote:
It is disheartening to see every old codex coming out so far getting nothing. Except SM.

Nobody is getting any love. :(
I don't understand what GW is doing here.

New GW, new policy. Every release had to be tied in with some story/campaign or box set and will be hype up with rumour image and even full leak months before its release.

 dan2026 wrote:
It is disheartening to see every old codex coming out so far getting nothing. Except SM.

Nobody is getting any love. :(
I don't understand what GW is doing here.

I mean, a Primaris or Death Guard type release for every new codex is just not a reasonable ask when there are two codices coming out every month. And I'd certainly much rather we get a codex every two weeks instead of a codex every three months.