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 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Can’t take jet bikes “yet”...

No model no rules :p

 ph34r wrote:
No model no rules :p

That's right... which would mean we'll get no Autarch entry in the Codex, just Autarch Skyrunner and Autarch with Swooping Hawk wings, since those are the only autarchs GW sell.

That feels odd to me.

Any word on whether Shadow Specters will make the codex? Can we hope Mymeara gets some love from forgeworld?

 Generalstoner wrote:
Any word on whether Shadow Specters will make the codex? Can we hope Mymeara gets some love from forgeworld?

Shadow spectres are forge world models so their rules will come from forgeworld


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Niiru wrote:

 admironheart wrote:
Did you see where
Warlocks are now 35 points? they SpiritSeer is 10 points more at 45 points.

good for spiritseers bad for warlocks

I assume you're getting that from the community page saying "only 10 more than a warlock!". But there's no reason that the person who wrote that might not have been referring to the current warlock cost, as they're still working from whatever they're being told to release on a day-to-day basis. They might not know the new warlock costs.

Alternatively, the Warlock might be 35 points, but might have the rules changed. They might get the full version of smite, or gain some wounds.

They don't have the wraith buff aura, and they have less wounds, and an awful version of smite. There was no reason to take one from the index, and if they stay the same and are 35 points, taking a bunch of spiritseers instead is a no-brainer.

Another thing - Warlocks might stay the same at 35 points, but get their jetbike upgrade a lot cheaper. Spiritseers can't take jetbikes, and warlocks on jetbikes (at the right price) might well be worth it. Return of the seer council, would be nice.

There's also three more powers (well 6 really) that we haven't seen for warlocks, destructor/renewer might come back and give them a short range but better version of destructer than the single mortal wound as well as whatever the other two powers might be.

 ph34r wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Can’t take jet bikes “yet”...

No model no rules :p

Me thinks a new kit may be on the horizon . . .

 Uriels_Flame wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Can’t take jet bikes “yet”...

No model no rules :p

Me thinks a new kit may be on the horizon . . .

spiritseer on jetbike does not fit the fluff at all

Fluff? Did someone say fluff?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:


Me thinks a new kit may be on the horizon . . .

Pics or it didn't happen.

It would be such a random thing to do when there are so many other things that would make more sense.

 Cream Tea wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
No model no rules :p

That's right... which would mean we'll get no Autarch entry in the Codex, just Autarch Skyrunner and Autarch with Swooping Hawk wings, since those are the only autarchs GW sell.

That feels odd to me.

Chances of them removing the non-jetbike Autarch is slim, and as you say there's not yet a model for it. It would be just as feasible to run a warlock on jetbike model as a spiritseer, as they're basically the same thing. In fact spiritseers are more like warlocks now, considering warlocks are... I dunno, more like slightly psychic village idiots at the moment.

Waiting on the new warlock powers is important, but if warlocks are otherwise the same then it would still be much better to take a spiritseer instead. Can survive perils, more wounds, proper smite, still gets to use new warlock powers, also buffs wraiths on the side, only 10 points more. That's the price of one spirit stones upgrade, and you get ALL of that for it. And if you play Ulthwe, you can trade all your spirit stones for spiritseers, and profit.

This is all, of course, only true if warlocks are the same. I for one hope they get a big buff. Or if they drop to like 15/20 points, then the jetbike upgrade might be worthwhile.

Any word on pricing for made to order? Should I prepare my wallet for stupidly priced Bonesingers?

Niiru wrote:

 Cream Tea wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
No model no rules :p

That's right... which would mean we'll get no Autarch entry in the Codex, just Autarch Skyrunner and Autarch with Swooping Hawk wings, since those are the only autarchs GW sell.

That feels odd to me.

Chances of them removing the non-jetbike Autarch is slim

The regular autarch isn't a model that GW currently sell, along with the autarch with warp jump generator. The only sell the winged one and the skyrunner. They've clearly stated the codices are supposed to contain their current range.

Yeah, but then they made Space Marine Lieutenants and Chaos Space Marine Exalted Champions, which while easy to kitbash have no official model.

I think our Autarchs will be safe, they would also theoretically need to remove a plethora of their weapon options aswell. Surely all the options aren't represented in what is currently sold. Could see it being too much of a hassle (#wishful thinking).

 ph34r wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Can’t take jet bikes “yet”...

No model no rules :p

The GK codex has a an entry for a grand master in dreadknight armor, and a tutorial to convert one (since the model doesn't exist).
A spiritseer skyrunner would be an easy enough conversion, by just mixing a spiritseer and a warlock skyrunner.
I find it unlikely, but so far multiple codex got new entries (like the GK GM, or the bullgryn bodyguard). A spiritseer skyrunner, while not the most fluffy or useful thing, could be a thing. As long as they don't put the exarchs on their own datasheets I'm fine.

Exarchs are supposed to be pretty badass though. Getting their own sheets would actually be pretty cool, so long as they were given the potency of an Autarch or similarly pointed HQ. Then you could even run an army based around a singular path. Which would be a nice alternative to the complete blandness of the current faction abilities.

 Fafnir wrote:
Exarchs are supposed to be pretty badass though. Getting their own sheets would actually be pretty cool, so long as they were given the potency of an Autarch or similarly pointed HQ. Then you could even run an army based around a singular path. Which would be a nice alternative to the complete blandness of the current faction abilities.

Well, if GW were to spin out another Elite infantry choice into full fledged armies themed around them, similar to how they did it with Plague Marine and/or Rubric Marines for Chaos (or Harlequins for that matter), they'd probably get their own Dex.

They don't really need a full dex though. Really, since Phoenix Lords should probably be more akin to primarchs, having the Exarchs assume something along their level, while making the Lords themselves a little more beefcake (or saving them for a later rerelease) wouldn't be terrible.

Nice that they are doing made to order for some of the old heros. Sad that craftworld Iybraesil may not be included in the new codex. Hopefully my girls get some love and Banshees can be troops with them.

I think, as a 2nd ed. player this is something I'm still coming to terms with - and something which still bugs me. When 3rd-7th occurred there was a major shift in the Eldar army. Exarchs went from badasses who could tackle anything outside of a greater daemon with a decent chance of winning to...squad leaders. Warlocks were nerfed into the ground, losing the ability to be three different levels (one of which was near Farseer level). Even they were competent in close combat, and witchblades/shining spears actually did something. Phoenix Lords were better than they are, though not too much so - no Primarchs were around, so the "level" was max'ed out by things like Avatars and Greater Daemons. Even the Farseer was 10x more potent than he is now (and he was kicked down another peg or two when they invented the Autarch). The Autarch only exists because they nuked Exarchs into paste...and wanted to sell another model.

Fluff-wise they don't match up well at all currently. In my head I still think "eh, I'll tackle that unit, I've got an Exarch there..." and then I got whooped. I also take too many guardians in 8th because I like them, and refuse to acknowledge that they're expensive and have 12" range while being weaker than fine china.

 Elbows wrote:
I think, as a 2nd ed. player this is something I'm still coming to terms with - and something which still bugs me. When 3rd-7th occurred there was a major shift in the Eldar army. Exarchs went from badasses who could tackle anything outside of a greater daemon with a decent chance of winning to...squad leaders. Warlocks were nerfed into the ground, losing the ability to be three different levels (one of which was near Farseer level). Even they were competent in close combat, and witchblades/shining spears actually did something. Phoenix Lords were better than they are, though not too much so - no Primarchs were around, so the "level" was max'ed out by things like Avatars and Greater Daemons. Even the Farseer was 10x more potent than he is now (and he was kicked down another peg or two when they invented the Autarch). The Autarch only exists because they nuked Exarchs into paste...and wanted to sell another model.

Fluff-wise they don't match up well at all currently. In my head I still think "eh, I'll tackle that unit, I've got an Exarch there..." and then I got whooped. I also take too many guardians in 8th because I like them, and refuse to acknowledge that they're expensive and have 12" range while being weaker than fine china.

I feel you. Autarchs are basically the old Exarchs and I'll never be satisfied until the Avatar is on par with the Bloodthirstier again.

Side note, I've resigned myself to never being satisfied

 Galef wrote:
If these turn out to be true, it looks like GW really, REALLY wants you to field loads of Guardians. Yet in true GW fashion, they'll miss the mark entirely.

No, it means they want to highlight that guardians are useful, too. Or are we just ingoring all the other things they say in the articles?

all the talk of new rules is hilarious. Just wait for the must have new unit. New rules that don't force you to buy new units aren't in GW's business plan. And with how old the Eldar line is...don't we have everything already?

 ender502 wrote:
all the talk of new rules is hilarious. Just wait for the must have new unit. New rules that don't force you to buy new units aren't in GW's business plan. And with how old the Eldar line is...don't we have everything already?

I'll go get the ketchup to eat with your hat.

 ender502 wrote:
all the talk of new rules is hilarious. Just wait for the must have new unit. New rules that don't force you to buy new units aren't in GW's business plan. And with how old the Eldar line is...don't we have everything already?

There are several issues with this statement.
A) While Eldar are not expecting any "new" units, almost all the Aspect Warriors are still finecast and in dire need of plastic kits. If GW truly wanted to make some bank, they would release plastic Aspects. Yet no such rumors have surfaced, nor does it look like any new models will be releases for Eldar
B) Out of all the codices released so far, only Death Guard and Marines have received new kit. The rest of the books have just been updates to the rules

 Galef wrote:

 ender502 wrote:
all the talk of new rules is hilarious. Just wait for the must have new unit. New rules that don't force you to buy new units aren't in GW's business plan. And with how old the Eldar line is...don't we have everything already?

There are several issues with this statement.
A) While Eldar are not expecting any "new" units, almost all the Aspect Warriors are still finecast and in dire need of plastic kits. If GW truly wanted to make some bank, they would release plastic Aspect. No such rumors have surfaced
B) Out of all the codices released so far, only Death Guard and Marines have received new kit. The rest of the books have just been updates to the rules

I think that the plastic Aspects are probably coming with the Ynnari. It's a gut feeling but the Ynnari seem to be the "Eldar returning to their old empire".

I would expect some Ynnari specific units, rather than Craftworld based ones.

 Galef wrote:
If GW truly wanted to make some bank, they would release plastic Aspect. No such rumors have surfaced

It's not a question of wanting to make money or not. There are real life limitations on how quickly new miniatures can be designed, manufactured and distributed. GW have obviously concluded that there is more money to be made in using their limited resource to focus on new model ranges; not just Primaris & Deathguard but also Shadespire, the upcoming Necromunda release and whatever comes after those. They also have to balance production & storage of new kits alongside maintaining stock for the existing range, otherwise codex releases will see a worse situation we had at 8E launch where various kits with improved rules suddenly ran out of stock.

New aspect kits will come in time once GW has resources to properly focus on Eldar, just like when they got around to replacing jetbikes & wraithguard.

Vorian wrote:
I would expect some Ynnari specific units, rather than Craftworld based ones.

Me too, why waste the opportunity to have a whole new product line.

Biel-tan is up https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/18/craftworld-focus-biel-tangw-homepage-post-3/

Looks like the picture was right about the Attributes. This one is garbage.

Vorian wrote:
I would expect some Ynnari specific units, rather than Craftworld based ones.

What makes you think it couldn't be both?