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Does this mean +1D and +1 BS to all the 3 predators or just the 1?

From the Death Guard codex " You can use this stratagem in your shooting phase if a Death Guard chaos predator is within 6" of 2 other friendly death guard chaos predators. If you do so, add 1 to the wound and damage rolls for all the predators' attacks that target monsters and vehicles this phase."

"all the predators' attacks" means all of the tanks, as opposed to "all the predator's attacks" which would just mean all the attacks of that one predator.

It looks like the stratagem is just "targeting" the one pred based on the fact that it requires that there be 2 preds nearby. So the effect should just be the one predator.

No, it's all of them - the placement of the apostrophe indicates it applies to Predators, plural.

I wouldnt be so sure, judging on the placement of the apostrophe, looking at GWs poor word choices in the rules.

Well, you can argue that, but there's not really any need - the RAW is perfectly clear. Maybe it's a mistake, but given that it makes sense they'd all get bonuses anyway, why look for a problem?

So it seems most of us reads this as a buff to the three predators. In a game, and you want to bring one extra, just in case one blows up round one. Your 4 preds can shoot, 3 of them has the +1 BS, +1 DMG buff. The last pred just with the re-roll buff.

Points (excluding the lord): 760 pts.

Against a Rhino you're looking at.

Total
Shots
16

Total
Hits
14.778

Wounds
Caused
9.852

Unsaved
Wounds
8.21

Total
Damage
57.902

Dead
Models
4

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Question is, how are those preds gonna look after one round of shooting from AM? or a SM gunline army?

Thommy H wrote:
Well, you can argue that, but there's not really any need - the RAW is perfectly clear. Maybe it's a mistake, but given that it makes sense they'd all get bonuses anyway, why look for a problem?

Well, it seems a little cheap that it buffs all three preds, the damage output rises significantly. There are other 1 point stratagems which are much weaker compared to this one.

Thommy H wrote:
No, it's all of them - the placement of the apostrophe indicates it applies to Predators, plural.

I don't see how you're saying this. The comma is there to say that when you play the strategy then... . It in no way indicates that the strategy affects all 3 preds. As said before the instructions tell you to look for 1 pred within a certain distance of 2 other friendly preds. If you can find one and choose to use the strategy then you apply the strategy to that one pred.

I said apostrophe, not comma.

As Jidmah pointed out in the first reply, Predator's is not the same thing as Predators'. Note the position of the possessive apostrophe.

The first one means something that belongs to a single Predator, the second something that belongs to Predators, plural.

The meaning is absolutely clear, as long as you understand English grammar.

It is consistent with Codex: Space Marines, including all predators' attacks, not just the one.

Ok, but how do we know which Predators' ?
I mean we can place 3 predators that all three of them will be 6" form each other, but also it is possible that only one will have two other in 6" bubble.
I know that is thet trigger, but my real question is:
- does fourth Predator that stands 40" away also benfit from that Startegem?

 danyboy wrote:
Ok, but how do we know which Predators' ?
I mean we can place 3 predators that all three of them will be 6" form each other, but also it is possible that only one will have two other in 6" bubble.
I know that is thet trigger, but my real question is:
- does fourth Predator that stands 40" away also benfit from that Startegem?

Are you high?

Aside from the question how many predators are buffed, it's not BS+1, its +1 to wound rolls and +1 to damage. If your gun would normally wound on a 3 it's 2 if you use the stratagem, and if the damage is D6 it would be D6+1.

 danyboy wrote:
Ok, but how do we know which Predators' ?
I mean we can place 3 predators that all three of them will be 6" form each other, but also it is possible that only one will have two other in 6" bubble.
I know that is thet trigger, but my real question is:
- does fourth Predator that stands 40" away also benfit from that Startegem?

I think it's safe to infer that the Predators the strategem is referring to are the same ones referred to elsewhere in the strategem.