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I'm starting this thread since i've seen this matter played in completely different ways, honestly i don't have an hopinion on it. Point is, units formed by psykers that can cast multiple powers (warlock councils and zoans for example) can cast smite more than once each turn?
I think that this is a grey area, since the rules assume that a model defined "psyker" manifests a power, but on those units you have the definition "The unit manifests".

The unit's rules define the limit of powers that can be manifested, but don't give additional info.
The rulebook says that a psyker can manifest each power only once, but psyker is a keyword so all models of the unit have that keyword, so one could think that you can cast a smite with each of them.

Your thoughts on the matter?

Depends on the unit wording, for Zoanthropes it says "A unit of Zoanthropes manifests the power" that means that entire unit just manifested Smite, rules on pg 178 says a Psyker can not manifest the same power more than once. So therefor the Zoanthropes can not manifest smite again, regardless how many are in the unit or what model casted the power.

Both the Warlock Conclave and Zoanthrope Datasheets tell you how to manifest powers, and that they 'cast' as a unit, not once per model.

If it says "unit," it means the "unit" does it all together. There would need to be explicit permission for each zoan to cast a power otherwise, which we don't have.

This is what i think too, after all in the rules it says "A psyker can manifest a power THEY know..." meaning that psyker can be plural.

Just chiming in to say that Grey Knights read the same as Warlocks and Zoans so any GK's that stumble on this thread have their answer too.

Spoletta wrote:
This is what i think too, after all in the rules it says "A psyker can manifest a power THEY know..." meaning that psyker can be plural.

Whilst I agree that the units mentioned are treated as a single psyker I want to point out that the 'they' quoted above is singular not plural.

It doesn't make grammatical sense for it to be a plural in that sentence and they is the pronoun for none gender specific singular as well as plural.

Must thought I'd point that out as it may be relevant in other rules discussions.

It's just a non-gendered pronoun.

Drager wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
This is what i think too, after all in the rules it says "A psyker can manifest a power THEY know..." meaning that psyker can be plural.

Whilst I agree that the units mentioned are treated as a single psyker I want to point out that the 'they' quoted above is singular not plural.

It doesn't make grammatical sense for it to be a plural in that sentence and they is the pronoun for none gender specific singular as well as plural.

Must thought I'd point that out as it may be relevant in other rules discussions.

It is however they [THE UNIT] however which inludes 1+ models.

These units say in the rules "this unit manifest X power" meaning all models in that unit just manifested that power, so it doesnt matter if later int he rule that they say "they", it already established that it was the "unit" manifesting it.

You have a warlock conclave. The conclave has a special rule that restricts how it may act in the psychic phase depending on how many models are in the unit. Manifesting is now done via this rule instead of the normal rules on the warlocks datasheet.

According to conclave, before manifesting you must pick a model (say I have 4 warlocks and I pick warlock A) RAW you can smite with model A, then because you have enough to cast a second power, you can select warlock B and manifest smite again as it is a different model.

Not sure if they FAQ'd it though.

ParadoxGaming wrote:


You have a warlock conclave. The conclave has a special rule that restricts how it may act in the psychic phase depending on how many models are in the unit. Manifesting is now done via this rule instead of the normal rules on the warlocks datasheet.

According to conclave, before manifesting you must pick a model (say I have 4 warlocks and I pick warlock A) RAW you can smite with model A, then because you have enough to cast a second power, you can select warlock B and manifest smite again as it is a different model.

Not sure if they FAQ'd it though.

You can not Smite twice with the same psyker in the same phase (in this case the whole Warlock Conclave is the psyker). Selecting a model in the unit is only for determining line of sight, range, Perils of the Warp etc..

ParadoxGaming wrote:


You have a warlock conclave. The conclave has a special rule that restricts how it may act in the psychic phase depending on how many models are in the unit. Manifesting is now done via this rule instead of the normal rules on the warlocks datasheet.

According to conclave, before manifesting you must pick a model (say I have 4 warlocks and I pick warlock A) RAW you can smite with model A, then because you have enough to cast a second power, you can select warlock B and manifest smite again as it is a different model.

Not sure if they FAQ'd it though.

False. Zoanthropes have the same thing. You pick the one model to determine line of sight, range, closest unit, etcetc... But its still the unit that manifests. The unit can only cast each power once.