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In the FoBiel-Tan, we get to see how a few craftworlds handled Yvraine and her Ynnari entourage. But how do we suppose various other craftworlds are going to respond to her? Especially now that the stories of her deeds on Iyanden and Biel-Tan might precede her? I mostly ask for the sake of my Iybraesil army. Iybraesil is all about eldar gods and aeldari relics, so helping Yvraine grab relics from the Eye should be right down their alley. On the other hand, they aren't particularly fond of drukhari... and Yvraine hangs out with a lot of drukhari. Your thoughts?

I suppose my interpretation of the Ynnari and how they're perceived differs somewhat from the party line of 'most people think it's a reasonable idea, but some are suspicious'. As far as I'm concerned, it's a fanatical and bonkers few who think throwing their lot in with their race's God of the Dead is a good plan while everyone else is thinking how frankly insane and dangerous they are.

If you think about it, the eldar don't exactly have the greatest track record with birthing warp entities. Khaine tried to genocide them twice while the rest of them basically stood by and did nothing, and then they birthed Slaanesh who in all likelihood has succeeded in genociding them.

Now there's a new eldar warp-god that looks like a cross between Slaanesh and a corpse that's promising to save their souls. If that doesn't set alarm bells ringing then I'm surprised the eldar have survived this long.

Next thing to think about is Yvraine. You're absolutely right that her reputation will proceed her, but what sort of reputation do you think she's got at this point? The big noteworthy deeds she has to her name thus far are:

1. Caused a dysjunction in Commorragh, wrecking a significant proportion of the city
2. Deprived Iyanden of a significant proportion of its Wraiths, which is the only thing standing between them and oblivion (and Slaanesh consuming the millions upon millions of souls within its Infinity Circuit)
3. Destroyed Biel Tan, one of the last remaining true bastions of the eldar.
4. Provided the Imperium (which has destroyed exactly as many craftworlds as Chaos has, so I don't know why people think the eldar view them as allies) with a sodding Primarch

You're absolutely right her reputation will proceed her, as a whirlwind of destruction for all that the eldar have built and maintained for 10,000 years since the Fall, pinning all hope on a terrifying gamble that a completely unknown warp entity personifying the concept of 'Dead Eldar'...actually want to keep the eldar alive...

Quite split, still. In Ghost Warrior, tens of thousands lined the streets in Iyanden for the Ynnari and while some disapproved or even openly accused them of theft, others were wearing ribbons and accessories in support and even throwing gems and precious metals for them.

The thing to remember is that though the Ynnead project of building a new god was initiated by the Craftworlds, since Ynnead is comprised of the sum total of the souls of the Infinity Circuits, the traditional view about Ynnead is that all the Eldar have to die off before Ynnead wakes naturally and then fights and hopefully beats Slaanesh. The Ynnari are attempting to basically fast track the awakening and bypass the condition for the Eldar dying off. They believe Ynnead can be awoken now, and without the need for all the Eldar to die. This is equivalent to not merely believing in the Apocalypse but actively trying to bring it about. That is why some Eldar, who might still believe in Ynnead, might not be sympathetic to the Ynnari, as they view the Ynnari as dangerously arrogant in trying to manipulate or accelerate the destined far off awakening of a god.

Also it could be argued that maybe the Ynnari's actions are intentionally or unintentionally bringing about the extinction of the Eldar, since the Ynnari cause so much death and destruction in their wake. So maybe the traditional view of Ynnead's awakening will still come about.

Yvraine's Seventh Path has led people to speculate whether there is a Nurgle link of some sort since 7 is Nurge's number. Isha is still in Nurgle's mansion so maybe the link (if it exists) is to her?

My personal take is that having the Yncarne or Ynnead turn out to be a moustache twirling trap daemon all along would be too ham fisted. It would also conflict with what the main Seer character in the novel Valedor saw as he died. Right before his released soul was sucked into Slaanesh to be consumed and tortured, he saw further and with greater clarity than he did in life and what he saw apparently made his soul sparkle with hope and joy. The Yncarne was also described as being so inimical to Chaos that the Chaos gods could not see it with their supernatural senses. It was like a blind spot to them.

If everything is black on black, it becomes a caricature. There have to be some points of light to show the grim dark and throw it into relief. Shadows are noticeable and prominent only if there is some light to see by. The idea of Ynnead was first introduced to give such a glimmer of light to the Eldar.

Therefore I do not think Ynnead would be actively malevolent to the Eldar, especially since it is comprised of Craftworld Eldar souls who would theoretically share the same goals and desire to be free from Slaanesh. However the perspective of a god of the dead might be different, so it's offered salvation may not be in the form living Eldar might think or hope for, and maybe there might be unintended consequences from the Ynnari trying to accelerate Ynnead's birth.

I'd just like to add that Yncarne/Ynnead do not look like Slaanesh. Slaanesh and Ynnead look like manifestations of the Eldar psyche.
A subtle difference, but one that surely all Eldar know. So Yncarne having a resemblance to a Keeper of Secrets would probably not carry any inherent "alarm bells"
Although their is still reason to be suspicious as Ynnead my end up having the same intentions for the Aeldari as Slaanesh, but may be going about it in a more devious way.

But, yeah, it seems most Craftworlds are pretty split on the issue. Which is quite 'meta' if you think about it.
The player community as a whole seems to be split on the whole Ynnari issue, with some embracing it entirely (like me) and others buckling down even harder on their resolution to remain "pure" Craftworlders.

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Iracundus wrote:


Yvraine's Seventh Path has led people to speculate whether there is a Nurgle link of some sort since 7 is Nurge's number. Isha is still in Nurgle's mansion so maybe the link (if it exists) is to her?

That's a reasonable suspicion to have, though I'd point out that the aeldari just seem to sort of have a "thing" for the number 7. The shining spears' phoenix lord had the "Helm of the 7th Sky" or whatever it was called, for instance, and Rakarth requests increments of 7 (7, 777, and 7,777 iirc) when requesting tau for his "cultural exchange program." I'd also point out that in some forms of real world numerology, the number 7 is associated with "completeness" or "the whole thing." So assuming the writers were drawing from the same source, 7 could just be the eldar number for "a whole bunch." As in, "This is the helm of ALL THE SKIES!" and "I'd like to request ALL THE TEST SUBJEC-ER I MEAN CULTURAL EXCHANGE VOLUNTEERS!"

Iracundus wrote:

If everything is black on black, it becomes a caricature. There have to be some points of light to show the grim dark and throw it into relief. Shadows are noticeable and prominent only if there is some light to see by. The idea of Ynnead was first introduced to give such a glimmer of light to the Eldar.

Therefore I do not think Ynnead would be actively malevolent to the Eldar, especially since it is comprised of Craftworld Eldar souls who would theoretically share the same goals and desire to be free from Slaanesh. However the perspective of a god of the dead might be different, so it's offered salvation may not be in the form living Eldar might think or hope for, and maybe there might be unintended consequences from the Ynnari trying to accelerate Ynnead's birth.

I agree. Roboute's ressurrection and the birth of Ynnead both strike a hopeful chord in a seriously messed up setting. Which is waaaay more interesting than, "Yeah, everything is terrible all the time. You can fight to see just how terrible it is if you want." I have theories regarding the eventual showdown between Ynnead and Slaanesh, but that's a topic for its own thread.

So regarding Iybraesil specifically, would it be reasonable to say that, like many craftworlds, they're just kind of split on how to respond? I rather like the idea of having the more stubborn old guard refusing to cooperate with radicals and dark eldar while also having the more hopeful/desperate faction that realizes their species' only hope is a radical gamble.

Iracundus wrote:
The thing to remember is that though the Ynnead project of building a new god was initiated by the Craftworlds, since Ynnead is comprised of the sum total of the souls of the Infinity Circuits, the traditional view about Ynnead is that all the Eldar have to die off before Ynnead wakes naturally and then fights and hopefully beats Slaanesh. The Ynnari are attempting to basically fast track the awakening and bypass the condition for the Eldar dying off. They believe Ynnead can be awoken now, and without the need for all the Eldar to die. This is equivalent to not merely believing in the Apocalypse but actively trying to bring it about. That is why some Eldar, who might still believe in Ynnead, might not be sympathetic to the Ynnari, as they view the Ynnari as dangerously arrogant in trying to manipulate or accelerate the destined far off awakening of a god.

Also it could be argued that maybe the Ynnari's actions are intentionally or unintentionally bringing about the extinction of the Eldar, since the Ynnari cause so much death and destruction in their wake. So maybe the traditional view of Ynnead's awakening will still come about.

Very, very good point. The whole prophesy of Ynnead seems to be pretty accepted now. In older fluff it was only really a handful who even knew about Ynnead but now everyone seems to have known about her. Perhaps the rumours have spread (eldar history is indistinguishable from myth and legend after all, so it's basically as soon as people hear about a prophesy it's in their myth).

However, the Ynnari are specifically setting out to break that prophesy. They're setting out to break the Rhana Dandra where all eldar must die. It's a massively radical goal, and fantastically risky. If they're right, the Eldar win and come out of the end alive. If they're wrong...they've actively brought about the genocide of the eldar, which might not have happened for millions of years for all anyone else knew.

Iracundus wrote:

Yvraine's Seventh Path has led people to speculate whether there is a Nurgle link of some sort since 7 is Nurge's number. Isha is still in Nurgle's mansion so maybe the link (if it exists) is to her?

Yeah I thought this as soon as I read the fluff and saw the rules. A 7" radius for most special rules in a base-6 system is weird enough to have been explicitly intentional. What I've decided that signifies is that the pantheons of warp-gods are mirrored between humanity and the eldar (for one reason or another). Khaine-Khorne, Cegorach-Tzeentch, Ynnead-Nurgle and Slaanesh is shared.

Agreed that Ynnead being a Nurgle ploy is a bit too ham-fisted for my liking, but I do love the idea that Ynnead is probably nowhere near as benevolent as the eldar think/hope. They don't exactly have the greatest track record with that...

Iracundus wrote:

If everything is black on black, it becomes a caricature. There have to be some points of light to show the grim dark and throw it into relief. Shadows are noticeable and prominent only if there is some light to see by. The idea of Ynnead was first introduced to give such a glimmer of light to the Eldar.

This is probably a discussion for another day, but I don't agree with the notion that you have to have a glimmer of light to make the 40k grimdark work. It works as solely grimdark because the brightness that you use to contrast/illuminate it comes from its comparison with the cushy bright world we live in today. The fact that it's a caricature is one of its best features, as when done right it's both a pretty entertaining satire on some of the perplexing things in the real world.

Here's a pitch-perfect example. No brightness. No light to illuminate the dark. Just a brilliantly, absurdly dark narrative of a bunch of people engaged in a bloody and brutal conflict because of rumours that one library's bookshelves aren't as overladen with books that are never read as the next library: http://s3.zetaboards.com/The_Ammobunker/single/?p=10012435&t=7676229

Iracundus wrote:

Therefore I do not think Ynnead would be actively malevolent to the Eldar, especially since it is comprised of Craftworld Eldar souls who would theoretically share the same goals and desire to be free from Slaanesh. However the perspective of a god of the dead might be different, so it's offered salvation may not be in the form living Eldar might think or hope for, and maybe there might be unintended consequences from the Ynnari trying to accelerate Ynnead's birth.

Yep love this the idea that Ynnead might be well-intentioned...but have an alien perspective on what the best end-goal might be is a kickass idea

Fits nicely with the ideas I have about Nurgle. Basically, Nurgle truly, absolutely loves life. Loves life in every form it takes. He's not biased in any way towards any life-form in particular. However, that has some pretty unfortunate consequences for us. Turns out, if you infect a human with countless diseases...you've got an explosion of life within the same physical space. So, the way to maximise the amount of life in the galaxy is to infect every larger lifeform with as many virulent diseases as it's possible for its body to sustain (and if it dies, then that's not a great loss as there's thousands of other life-forms that will benefit from the loss of one so you're still up).

 Galef wrote:
I'd just like to add that Yncarne/Ynnead do not look like Slaanesh. Slaanesh and Ynnead look like manifestations of the Eldar psyche.
A subtle difference, but one that surely all Eldar know. So Yncarne having a resemblance to a Keeper of Secrets would probably not carry any inherent "alarm bells"
Although their is still reason to be suspicious as Ynnead my end up having the same intentions for the Aeldari as Slaanesh, but may be going about it in a more devious way.
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That's probably true to a certain extent, but sort of falls down as a sole explanation when you see that Khaine looks nothing like Slaanesh. So, there must be some form of connection between the two that's not necessarily present for Khaine. Whether that connection is benign or malignant is the real question...

Could be that Khaine is a reflection of the eldar psyche from an earlier, more warlike time (War in Heaven?). Could be that they're reflections of different parts of the eldar psyche, so look different (which implies some connection between Ynnead and Slaanesh). Could be that Slaanesh's existence has warped the eldar psyche so that it's more like hers. Could be that Ynnead is a mirror for Slaanesh and everything's all fethed up royally. No real way to tell...

Wyldhunt wrote:

That's a reasonable suspicion to have, though I'd point out that the aeldari just seem to sort of have a "thing" for the number 7. The shining spears' phoenix lord had the "Helm of the 7th Sky" or whatever it was called, for instance, and Rakarth requests increments of 7 (7, 777, and 7,777 iirc) when requesting tau for his "cultural exchange program." I'd also point out that in some forms of real world numerology, the number 7 is associated with "completeness" or "the whole thing." So assuming the writers were drawing from the same source, 7 could just be the eldar number for "a whole bunch." As in, "This is the helm of ALL THE SKIES!" and "I'd like to request ALL THE TEST SUBJEC-ER I MEAN CULTURAL EXCHANGE VOLUNTEERS!"

Neat I love that from a cultural exploration perspective. Could definitely be an option.

Wyldhunt wrote:

I agree. Roboute's ressurrection and the birth of Ynnead both strike a hopeful chord in a seriously messed up setting. Which is waaaay more interesting than, "Yeah, everything is terrible all the time. You can fight to see just how terrible it is if you want." I have theories regarding the eventual showdown between Ynnead and Slaanesh, but that's a topic for its own thread.

See, I see that less as an 'everything's pointless, why bother fighting' and more of an 'if you're expecting some magical force to come out of the woodwork and save your backside without even trying like every novel you've ever read...that's not what's going to happen. You will live or die by the sweat of your own brow and the blood of your own countless soldiers. Now quit waiting for some god to save you and get out in the field and fight to save it yourself."

For me, 40k was always a story of just what sheer human grit and determination could achieve when faced with overwhelming odds, malevolent lovecraftian entities, xenos that are either (genetically) engineered war-machines can predict the future or consume galaxies for fun, and also all of the worst crippling human traits that we have endemic today (crippling bureaucracy and backwards religious fanaticism). Despite all of those things, we've survived for 40,000 years in the most dangerous and toxic galaxy science fiction has so far created, simply because despite how squishy we are physically, collectively we're hard as nails.

Not so much anymore now that we've got a superhero Primarch to save us just like damn near every other fantasy universe where our arses get saved by supernatural intervention and humans are basically reduced to damsels in distress...

Same story with the eldar and Ynnead...

Wyldhunt wrote:

So regarding Iybraesil specifically, would it be reasonable to say that, like many craftworlds, they're just kind of split on how to respond? I rather like the idea of having the more stubborn old guard refusing to cooperate with radicals and dark eldar while also having the more hopeful/desperate faction that realizes their species' only hope is a radical gamble.

Nailed it I expect

Loads of cool narrative stuff you can do with that conflict too to make your craftworld (and your army) come alive as a living breathing group of people with different thoughts and opinions

I think there is a fair amount of distrust going on.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
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See, I see that less as an 'everything's pointless, why bother fighting' and more of an 'if you're expecting some magical force to come out of the woodwork and save your backside without even trying like every novel you've ever read...that's not what's going to happen. You will live or die by the sweat of your own brow and the blood of your own countless soldiers. Now quit waiting for some god to save you and get out in the field and fight to save it yourself."

For me, 40k was always a story of just what sheer human grit and determination could achieve when faced with overwhelming odds, malevolent lovecraftian entities, xenos that are either (genetically) engineered war-machines can predict the future or consume galaxies for fun, and also all of the worst crippling human traits that we have endemic today (crippling bureaucracy and backwards religious fanaticism). Despite all of those things, we've survived for 40,000 years in the most dangerous and toxic galaxy science fiction has so far created, simply because despite how squishy we are physically, collectively we're hard as nails.

Not so much anymore now that we've got a superhero Primarch to save us just like damn near every other fantasy universe where our arses get saved by supernatural intervention and humans are basically reduced to damsels in distress...

Same story with the eldar and Ynnead...

You mean like what has happened in Warhammer 40k in the past 20 or so years?

I do not see Ynnead to be a deus ex machina for the Eldar. They deliberately forged a god through slowly amassing souls through the Infinity Circuits, souls that therefore would share their outlook and this hopefully create a new deity in their image and with their interests in mind. To fight the Chaos gods, one must ultimately deal with the warp, either using it or blocking it as the Necrons do. The Eldar did not just roll over and give up. They decided to fight fire with fire. In the Iyanden supplement, the Iyandeni were not humbled by the Fall, it said it actually fanned their pride as their survival proved them right (over those that stayed behind and perished) and they thought with sufficient time and skill, maybe even a god could be defeated.

Roboute's return has slowly grown on me a little bit more, though it still depends on what if anything GW decides to do in the future. He offers a more rational perspective that as I stated earlier throws the grimdark into greater relief. I see black on black caricature more grim derpness than grim darkness. I also do not see him turning the Imperium into a bright shiny place. I see him now running around putting out fires but I do not realy see him achieving lasting reform because he is constantly moving around. He might increase efficiency and reduce the grim darkness in his immediate vicinity but as soon as he moves on to put out the next fire, bureaucratic inertia starts undoing whatever good he did.

Another reason why I do not mind Ynnead is that I believe every faction should have a chance of victory while no faction should have inevitable guaranteed victory (as I have heard some Chaos fanatic players claim). So I think the Chaos gods and their factions should still have the risk of losing to Ynnead, or a reborn Emperor or the Tyranids wiping out the galaxy of life or the Necrons sealing the warp from real space. Before the introduction of Ynnead, the Eldar seemed to have no victory possible. I do not count the MAD of the Rhana Dandra as victory, nor do I count the seeming exodus of several Craftworlds in one of the timeline entries a victory, though that might preserve a portion of the Eldar race in elsewhere.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

See, I see that less as an 'everything's pointless, why bother fighting' and more of an 'if you're expecting some magical force to come out of the woodwork and save your backside without even trying like every novel you've ever read...that's not what's going to happen. You will live or die by the sweat of your own brow and the blood of your own countless soldiers. Now quit waiting for some god to save you and get out in the field and fight to save it yourself."

For me, 40k was always a story of just what sheer human grit and determination could achieve when faced with overwhelming odds, malevolent lovecraftian entities, xenos that are either (genetically) engineered war-machines can predict the future or consume galaxies for fun, and also all of the worst crippling human traits that we have endemic today (crippling bureaucracy and backwards religious fanaticism). Despite all of those things, we've survived for 40,000 years in the most dangerous and toxic galaxy science fiction has so far created, simply because despite how squishy we are physically, collectively we're hard as nails.

Not so much anymore now that we've got a superhero Primarch to save us just like damn near every other fantasy universe where our arses get saved by supernatural intervention and humans are basically reduced to damsels in distress...

After a while total grimdark becomes just ...dull while tumbling around basically same spot becoming boring. While gametop/rpg players can create a bit of new narrative - as long as they adhere to 'dex - those who more interested in fluff grow apathetic. As most BL writers are not eactly Hugo and Nebula material - clinging to pure 40M grimdarkness leads mostly to flanderization and 'bolter porn' lazy writing. Considering that - it's clear that say 'Cain memoirs' while not anything spectacular (and pretty irritating to lot of 'purists') were inevitable success - they were essential to 'clear taste buds' and reach to wider audience. So there IS demand not for noblebright but threads of Skein without imminent Ragnarok foreboding.

OTOH 'hero wil return' legend is intervoven with WH40M for pretty long time (except Ferrus and Angel all other loyal primarchs are disappeared not gone - unless they killed off Dorn again in newer editions) so - as Chaos overripened for major gratification (Cadian Retcon and 'Failbaddon' debacles anyone?) - it is lazy but understandable choice.

Roboute's rebirth was handled poorly of course. Personally (now that 'Wow"! effect wore off a bit) i would prefer different take - say Celestine getting to Terra and becoming Emperor's Chosen with Custodes sent forth by Big E as her retinue and Cawl as uneasy and suspect ally whose personal heretical geneseed tinkering project was pardoned by Celestine/E and greenlighted after fact by desperate Lords of Terra, and only then some loyalist Primarch returning - to find that Primarchs are not and never were supposed to be apex beings in IoM, but giving current leaders perspective on Emperor's Dream that've been lost.
Of course lot of people with other tastes would be revulsed by that

chyron wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

See, I see that less as an 'everything's pointless, why bother fighting' and more of an 'if you're expecting some magical force to come out of the woodwork and save your backside without even trying like every novel you've ever read...that's not what's going to happen. You will live or die by the sweat of your own brow and the blood of your own countless soldiers. Now quit waiting for some god to save you and get out in the field and fight to save it yourself."

For me, 40k was always a story of just what sheer human grit and determination could achieve when faced with overwhelming odds, malevolent lovecraftian entities, xenos that are either (genetically) engineered war-machines can predict the future or consume galaxies for fun, and also all of the worst crippling human traits that we have endemic today (crippling bureaucracy and backwards religious fanaticism). Despite all of those things, we've survived for 40,000 years in the most dangerous and toxic galaxy science fiction has so far created, simply because despite how squishy we are physically, collectively we're hard as nails.

Not so much anymore now that we've got a superhero Primarch to save us just like damn near every other fantasy universe where our arses get saved by supernatural intervention and humans are basically reduced to damsels in distress...

After a while total grimdark becomes just ...dull while tumbling around basically same spot becoming boring. While gametop/rpg players can create a bit of new narrative - as long as they adhere to 'dex - those who more interested in fluff grow apathetic. As most BL writers are not eactly Hugo and Nebula material - clinging to pure 40M grimdarkness leads mostly to flanderization and 'bolter porn' lazy writing. Considering that - it's clear that say 'Cain memoirs' while not anything spectacular (and pretty irritating to lot of 'purists') were inevitable success - they were essential to 'clear taste buds' and reach to wider audience. So there IS demand not for noblebright but threads of Skein without imminent Ragnarok foreboding.

OTOH 'hero wil return' legend is intervoven with WH40M for pretty long time (except Ferrus and Angel all other loyal primarchs are disappeared not gone - unless they killed off Dorn again in newer editions) so - as Chaos overripened for major gratification (Cadian Retcon and 'Failbaddon' debacles anyone?) - it is lazy but understandable choice.

Roboute's rebirth was handled poorly of course. Personally (now that 'Wow"! effect wore off a bit) i would prefer different take - say Celestine getting to Terra and becoming Emperor's Chosen with Custodes sent forth by Big E as her retinue and Cawl as uneasy and suspect ally whose personal heretical geneseed tinkering project was pardoned by Celestine/E and greenlighted after fact by desperate Lords of Terra, and only then some loyalist Primarch returning - to find that Primarchs are not and never were supposed to be apex beings in IoM, but giving current leaders perspective on Emperor's Dream that've been lost.
Of course lot of people with other tastes would be revulsed by that

It's doesn't sound much better than what we got to be honest. Also, what the heck is noblebright and why is that a thing?

Noblebright is the opposite term of Grimdark.

Ruin wrote:
Noblebright is the opposite term of Grimdark.

Where did this come from then? This is the only site I know that keeps using it.

 Nova_Impero wrote:

Ruin wrote:
Noblebright is the opposite term of Grimdark.

Where did this come from then? This is the only site I know that keeps using it.

4chan?

Urban Dictionary entry is from 2010, so word itself must be older than that.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Noblebright

And google brings 261.000 results, with explosion of usage since 2016.

I think Ghost Warrior might answer some of these questions.

chyron wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:

Ruin wrote:
Noblebright is the opposite term of Grimdark.

Where did this come from then? This is the only site I know that keeps using it.

4chan?

Urban Dictionary entry is from 2010, so word itself must be older than that.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Noblebright

And google brings 261.000 results, with explosion of usage since 2016.

Weird. I never heard of this before.

 Nova_Impero wrote:

Weird. I never heard of this before.

I blame Ynneadwraith entirely for its popularisation. (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

Haha 2016 is about when I started commenting here not that I'd have the temerity to claim sole responsibility...

Can't remember where I heard it from. Think it was 1D4Chan's wiki articles

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Haha 2016 is about when I started commenting here not that I'd have the temerity to claim sole responsibility...

Can't remember where I heard it from. Think it was 1D4Chan's wiki articles

I got the term from 1d4chan, specifically the Brighthammer 40,000 setting, where the original opening line from 2008 reads "BrightHammer 40k is a mirror universe of Warhammer 40k. In this setting, the incredibly GRIMDARKness of regular 40k is replaced by NOBLEBRIGHTness and instead of war, there is only HIGH ADVENTURE! "

 Cream Tea wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Haha 2016 is about when I started commenting here not that I'd have the temerity to claim sole responsibility...

Can't remember where I heard it from. Think it was 1D4Chan's wiki articles

I got the term from 1d4chan, specifically the Brighthammer 40,000 setting, where the original opening line from 2008 reads "BrightHammer 40k is a mirror universe of Warhammer 40k. In this setting, the incredibly GRIMDARKness of regular 40k is replaced by NOBLEBRIGHTness and instead of war, there is only HIGH ADVENTURE! "

Haha awesome hadn't come across that bit before.

I love that the overly grimdark pastiche of lighter scifi settings has now spawned an overly noblebright pastiche of its grimdark pastiche of now-middle ground scifi