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The only problem is when you can't play what you want because GW cut so much.

Yes but unless you play the flagship army for the game (sigmarines, marines) that's always a risk in an evolving game. Even then you're not guaranteed as primaris marines show, but in fairness to GW they bend themselves over backwards lately to make the game as inclusive as possible. Sure they gave people two years to run special characters that don't exist in their new game

Is it? I t think it's realistic to expect them not to completely remove 2 armies.....

They hardly bend over backwards to make it inclusive. Quite the opposite.

What's the risk? There's always rules for the models and if they get too badly nerfed in the far future then you can proxy them as other units and even build a new army around that.

pm713 wrote:
The only problem is when you can't play what you want because GW cut so much.

Ebay, proxy, kitbash. There's always a way. Just because it's not easy doesn't make it not worth it. Heck, the uniqueness value makes it worthwhile to field.

Do find me the rules for Thorgrim then because they aren't on the website.

So I can spend way more than I can afford at once or not be allowed in my store great.

Or GW could have not removed it all because they're paranoid about copyright.

He's the Warden King on the Throne of Power in the new compendium.

It's a pretty simple look-up in the AoS app as well.

Ah so there isn't one then. Which goes for things like Slayers as well.

He just got renamed? He is in there.

There are Slayers also. They're in the compendium and AoS app as well.

What he's saying is he wants the old Rules/Thorgrim as a playable named hero like he was back in whatever edition hes referring to, which is like 4th 5th and 6th i think.

Well no there is no Thorgrim. Because that leads to questions about what happened to him and it's embarassing for GW staff to say "The company went nuts about copyright so things we couldn't copyright are phased out".

Copyright? I doubt that.

The compendiums just got updated to treat the armies like they're in the current mortal realms to which all the named characters (with chaos and undead exceptions) are long dead.

Even Teclis and Tyrion became heroes even though they are present in the setting because the old models don't represent them anymore.

They all have rules though and if that truly bothers you then ask for a old dwarf compendium pdf. I have one but I don't know how to link it.

Ah, here we go. Blessed be TGA.

http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/11449-archiving-old-warscrolls-from-the-world-that-was/

Baron Klatz wrote:
He's the Warden King on the Throne of Power in the new compendium.

It's a pretty simple look-up in the AoS app as well.

Ya and stormcast are in 40k right there under the listing space marines.

Playing a count as army is crap when you spent 60$ for a model.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

downside, their codpieces.

I agree. They are not nearly big enough.
If they ever get new models, they must have something like this:

Haha, that's a modest codpiece too. Some nobles went insane with those things.

OgreChubbs wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
He's the Warden King on the Throne of Power in the new compendium.

It's a pretty simple look-up in the AoS app as well.

Ya and stormcast are in 40k right there under the listing space marines.

Playing a count as army is crap when you spent 60$ for a model.

So a rename makes it "count as" even though the two warscrolls have the same stats, weapon names and abilities? He's a king being carried around on a throne and wielding Grimnir's axe but the name ruins it?

Haha, I just can't get that logic.

In anycase people have preserved "the correctly named warscrolls" so your $60 is safe.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Copyright? I doubt that.

Have you seen how nuts they are over copyright?

Yeah, they want to trademark everything they can.

I doubt a Dwarf lord riding around on a throne carried by soldiers and reading from a giant tome while wavibg a massive god axe was ever in danger, though.

When the Dispossessed updated models in the far future we could easily see his like again.(Though maybe carried on a war machine/monster instead)

Well it's fairly generic so yes it is. If generic things were safe we'd have Tomb Kings still.

Generic didn't stop savage orcs, ghouls and lizard people from becoming staples of the game and lore.

As for Tomb kings, that's an unfortunate mix of small popularity and a heavy "the mummy" look.

They're likely up for a complete aesthetics overhaul and be more like ShadeSpire skeleton soldiers and commanders.

They're likely to forget they ever existed.

Oh naw, the Death realm has way too many shout-outs as well as Neferata.

Archaon fought a war sphinx during his invasion, the Obsidian Monarchy are a chariot skeleton army that slain a invading ogre army, the death realm has vast deserts with human and undead kingdoms in them and ancient skeleton rulers can be found anywhere from necropolises to merchant city-states.

It's the same as why there's a Order of Breton in the life realm among numerous knight and crusader orders there. Stand-ins for players to use in their fluff and backgrounds to build off of in the future lore and possible releases.

With the convenient absence of any kind of support for these things. These small leftovers are a bad attempt to reduce people being annoyed their armies are gone.

As for future releases I doubt that will happen. If it was then they'd still have old models. Yet they cut out a ridiculous amount of the old model ranges.

No point in supporting something that wasn't moving and needs a reboot anyway. And that "attempt" was with the compendiums that had made the TK and Brets top tourney armies.

The lore shout-outs aren't going to pull in someone disillusioned already with the loss of their army. They're legimate building blocks for the background and fluff for players to use if they wish. You're just being overly cynical there.

And if they want to overhaul the aesthetics then there is no need to keep models ranges around they plan to drop anyway.

Bretonnia likely won't get a reboot though, there's already 6 human armies in the game and Freeguild proxying them is far to easy. At best, Freeguild knight orders with Order of Breton or Volpone Kingdom knights among them. At the very least I hope to see the Freeguild tome have a company set-up that has their lore and bonuses for a knightly charge.

Tomb kings are far more certain from how easily they can come from anywhere in the fluff (Settra's still in the chaos realm afterall) and Death needs more for it's roster.

Well the point is not giving the finger to your customers. They could have kept Fantasy and all its armies around with no extra effort than they already put into Sigmar if not slightly less. But they decided to just give the finger.

Or much more likely Settra will just vanish. That's just a classic move for GW - If you don't know what to do then pretend they aren't there.

Hahaha, I'm not getting dragged into that off-topic nonsense. (though as a 2008 Bret player with an extensive collection I certainly never felt a "middle finger")

As for Settra, we'll see. They put in everything from a reincarnated Tsarina, the Kislev bear god, a certain famous vampire fellow to make the Flesh eater court and even shown that Necoho still exists.

So nothing's out of the realm of possibility.

pm713 wrote:
Well the point is not giving the finger to your customers. They could have kept Fantasy and all its armies around with no extra effort than they already put into Sigmar if not slightly less. But they decided to just give the finger.

Or much more likely Settra will just vanish. That's just a classic move for GW - If you don't know what to do then pretend they aren't there.

To quote a great Scandinavian monarch: "Let it go"


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Baron Klatz wrote:
Hahaha, I'm not getting dragged into that off-topic nonsense. (though as a 2008 Bret player with an extensive collection I certainly never felt a "middle finger")

As for Settra, we'll see. They put in everything from a reincarnated Tsarina, the Kislev bear god, a certain famous vampire fellow to make the Flesh eater court and even shown that Necoho still exists.

So nothing's out of the realm of possibility.

So I had never heard of Necoho. Looked him up on Lexicanum, and now I'm convinced Patton Oswalt is his avatar.

I would really recommend an AoS original faction, primarily because they just feel right in the setting and fluff of the game. Nostalgia armies are cool, but this really is a whole new game. Overlords are pretty good for shooting and have their own "flaying steamtank" kind of thing as it is.

That's just preference though, with all the human lore focus lately it's easier than ever to have them feel at home in the lore.

Eventually GW's gonna update the human model line and give them a proper battletome anyway so why wait till then just to "feel right"?

If you like it, play it.

So I had never heard of Necoho. Looked him up on Lexicanum, and now I'm convinced Patton Oswalt is his avatar.

That's a good comparison.

Baron Klatz wrote:
That's just preference though, with all the human lore focus lately it's easier than ever to have them feel at home in the lore.

Eventually GW's gonna update the human model line and give them a proper battletome anyway so why wait till then just to "feel right"?

If you like it, play it.

So I had never heard of Necoho. Looked him up on Lexicanum, and now I'm convinced Patton Oswalt is his avatar.

That's a good comparison.

Think they will change up the aesthetic to them?

If they keep them looking as a general army then probably not as the Azyrheim gunsmith on the Spear of Shadows cover and Silver Tower warpriest show. It'll be slight but won't look out of place. (They want to keep a Gothic theme thus why demigryph knights were a AoS planned unit and good basis for future models)

Hopefully though they'll make the looks realm specific. Renaissance-like for Azyrheim as they learned from Sigmar's libraries, a fire realm soldiers having a Mongolian/Asian style to represent the Khanate, realm of life mixing knightly looks and enchanted wood armaments and realm of metal soldiers having learned from the Overlords and looking a mix of tribesmen with guns and Victorian soldiers and many more possibilities.

Basically I want them to make the most out of such a diverse and massive setting when they get the chance.

Baron Klatz wrote:
If they keep them looking as a general army then probably not as the Azyrheim gunsmith on the Spear of Shadows cover and Silver Tower warpriest show. It'll be slight but won't look out of place. (They want to keep a Gothic theme thus why demigryph knights were a AoS planned unit and good basis for future models)

Hopefully though they'll make the looks realm specific. Renaissance-like for Azyrheim as they learned from Sigmar's libraries, a fire realm soldiers having a Mongolian/Asian style to represent the Khanate, realm of life mixing knightly looks and enchanted wood armaments and realm of metal soldiers having learned from the Overlords and looking a mix of tribesmen with guns and Victorian soldiers and many more possibilities.

Basically I want them to make the most out of such a diverse and massive setting when they get the chance.

I am thinking I would like to see a completely new and unique look for them, not so much a remnant of the old empire, but some kind of re-imagining.