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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 20:14:30
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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The Skitarii onager comes with a base, but a Defiler does not. The Primaris repulsor comes with a base, but a typical Land Raider does not. All flyers (including Stormtalons, Valkeries and the like) have flying bases, but Baskilisks, Rhinos and other vehicles do not.
Do you think GW should revise their kits so ALL models have a base of some kind or do you think there should be models that remain the exception and do not use bases?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 20:17:51
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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The defiler hasnt been updated in a long time... or at all?
The land raider is really old too.
The base for the repulsive makes sense as it is a flying model.
i dont think it was necessarily needed for the onager as it should be stable on 4 legs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 20:21:13
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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It's more due to age; almost all of the vehicles you mentioned were made before GW even produced bases that big.
As to why they haven't revamped it, it's because vehicles generally don't lend themselves well to bases; gluing the vehicle to the base before painting what's below them will make it impossible to base anything other than a circle around them. And to base them before gluing is advanced enough that it would be extremely annoying for newcomers to do. Most of the vehicles with bases either have removable flying bases or pointy legs that gives you some reach below them (with very few exceptions, I think the Gorkanaut is one such exception). In addition, until just this edition, vehicle hulls and barrels were used to measure distances, so there wasn't a need for bases other than walkers (who had to get into base contact quite frequently).
I don't know if they will repack them with bases, since a lot of vehicles look just as well without bases (anything based on a boxy vehicle like the Rhino, Chimera or Leman russes).
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Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 20:26:46
Subject: Re:Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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I don't think most tank-type vehicles really need bases. The Onager and Repulsor are understandably on a base because one of them has spindly little legs and the other is supposed to be skimming just above ground, but apart from those specific types of cases I don't see much of a reason for other tanks to be on bases. It would only serve to take up unnecessary space and would change the profile of the vehicle to reach beyond the physical dimensions of the vehicle itself for things like assault.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 20:27:27
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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I'm gonna repaint my defiler and put it on an onager base with some scenery on it, dead bodies and the like. I'm also gonna base my blood slaughter ers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 20:31:58
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Don't need them. Unattractive when you do need them anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 20:33:51
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Foxy Wildborne
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A base under a flyer has an obvious purpose. So does a base under a walker. A base under a boxy tank does not. It's not a hard concept.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 20:56:35
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Pretty much. I've even replaced my flying bases because the GW concept of a flying base for an Eldar tank is garbage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/03 21:03:53
Subject: Re:Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Lieutenant General
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Luciferian wrote:... and would change the profile of the vehicle to reach beyond the physical dimensions of the vehicle itself for things like assault.
Which is why certain vehicles (e.g., the Falcon) have rules which tell us you always measure to and from this model’s hull, even though it has a base.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/04 11:06:54
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Floaty models and models that are taller than their footprint and thus may fall over should have bases; everything else there really is no need.
I really wonder about the Onager on that front; it can only fall over if you really really want it to fall over, and I don't think it's even possible to knock a defiler over when it's been fully assembled.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/04 12:12:43
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I wonder if it's just that the legs on the Onager model might be comparatively fragile?
As far as I'm concerned, bases are just there to stop the model falling down. Necessary for most infantry and walkers, a nuisance otherwise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/04 12:13:05
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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My defiler is wobbly. I assembled it wierd so it's front heavy. So I'm gonna put it on a base.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/04 14:25:26
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Dakka Veteran
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I built my defiler with the turret in the center so it doesn't tip. My friend added a weight to the rear underneath, which he calls making the model 'anatomically correct'...ahem.
As others have already stated, bases are more a necessary nuisance than a boon. Vehicles in dense terrain have enough issues as it is without adding a false footprint to prevent their movement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/04 14:29:41
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Not to mention, any vehicle cruising over terrain looks absolutely silly with a big base. I can abide a 40-50mm on some walkers as needes, but tanks? Never.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/05 07:34:38
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Lord of the Fleet
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All hovering vehicles have bases, as you'd expect.
If the defiler was being released now I'd expect it to come with a base but when it came out there were no bases remotely large enough.
Everything else has never had a base and, imo, would look terrible with a base. Every so often you see someone that puts tanks on bases and it just looks weird.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/05 23:09:44
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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The only reason why I would put a tank on a base is for a diorama where the terrain becomes more of a feature to the tank and shares the spotlight.
for gaming purposes you would need to stipulate to your oponents that it behaves as standard and not to include the base for distance calculations. so you still measure from the hull but you have to lug arround a piece of diorma with you.
if you want to 'lock in' (aka sacrifice) a tank for a beautiful display piece diorama then go ahead but dont expect to effectively play with it. just too bulky.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/06 09:44:14
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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The Necron Monolith disagrees.
IMO bases are only there to keep models upright, or to lift them off the table in the case of skimmers and flyers. As such anything that doesn't float and can stand up on it's own shouldn't have a base. Onagers having bases is just random, but they are just the exception that make the rule.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/06 10:21:06
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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I use bases for my Defilers and a few other things because determining base-to-base with other units becomes a big pain with random parts of the model extending further than the rest. It gives a clear point of where the model ends, and nips any arguments about what my charge distance is, how far I am for shots, and how many models can wrap around in combat before they start.
I put bases on a few boxy vehicles like my Lord of Skulls, for much the same reasons but also because it has thousands of little spikes sticking out of the treads that catch on every little thing as I move it otherwise. A Knight base fits it perfectly with very little hanging out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/11/06 11:15:47
Subject: Why aren't more vehicles mounted on bases?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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why? dunno.
Personly i think they look butt ugly whitout one and that is the main reason to why i wont have non based vehicles in my army.
Plus it allso looks realy wierd that all the infantry are standing a foot taller above the table then the vehicles due to their lack of a base.
Howerver i am going to do 1 experiment and make a custom square base for my russ that has approx 5-10mm overlap, and see how it is.
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