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Hi,
After the Ynnari nerfs I have decided to make a pure CWE army.
The Wraithknight is a concession to the casual/rule of cool part of me, while the Wraithblades are usually disliked but their cheap price and anti-horde ability make me incline towards them

I haven't decided which Craftworld each detachment will be, not the relic/warlord trait. Any ideas? I want the Autarch as warlord for the sweet CP regeneration. Units could be swapped from one detachment to the other to benefit from different CW rules, if necessary.

A)
Battalion detachment (+3 CP)
Farseer
Avatar of Khaine
Autarch with Star Glaive and Forceshield
5 Rangers
5 Rangers
5 Rangers
5 Dark Reapers with Exarch- Tempest Launcher
Hemlock Wraith Fighter

Vanguard detachment (+1 CP)

Spiritseer
5 Wraithblades with Ghostswords
8 Striking Scorpions with Exarch- Scorpion Claw
6 Howling Banshees with Exarch- Executioner
Wave Serpent with 3 Shuriken Cannons and Vectored Engines

Superheavy Auxiliary detachment (0 CP)

Wraithknight with Titanic Ghostglaive, Shield and two Scatter Lasers

1994 points

Farseer, and Dark Reapers deploy near terrain, if opponent goes first they Phantasm out of LoS.
Wraithblades and Spiritseer go on the Wave Serpent, but they could also deploy from the Webway (for Quicken) lending their transport to the Farseer+Dark Reapers in case there is no hiding place for them.
The Autarch could deepstrike (Stratagem? Relic?) with the Scorpions and buff them (Ambush of Blades?) while Quicken/Court of the Young King helps them charge as they drop. The Autarch could also move behind the Wraithknight for re-rolls.
The Banshees suicide-charge something to deny overwatch or tie shooty units.
Rangers help control the board.
The Avatar of Khaine is purely for using the Yncarne model as count-as plus it's a nice distraction Carnifex.
And the Hemlock alpha-strike anything that looks him funny

Thanks!

Edit: two other alternative lists that try to solve the anti-tank shortage. Is any of them better?

B)
Battalion detachment (+3 CP)
Farseer
Avatar of Khaine
Autarch with Star Glaive and Forceshield
5 Rangers
5 Rangers
5 Rangers
5 Dark Reapers with Exarch- Tempest Launcher
Hemlock Wraith Fighter

Vanguard detachment (+1 CP)

Warlock
5 Wraithguard with D-Scythes
8 Striking Scorpions with Exarch- Scorpion Claw
6 Howling Banshees with Exarch- Executioner
Wave Serpent with 2 Shuriken cannons and twin shuriken catapults

Superheavy Auxiliary detachment (0 CP)

Wraithknight with Titanic Ghostglaive and Shield

1998 points

C)

Battalion detachment (+3 CP)
Farseer
Avatar of Khaine
Autarch with Star Glaive and Forceshield
5 Rangers
5 Rangers
5 Rangers
5 Dark Reapers with Exarch- Tempest Launcher
Crimson Hunter with Bright Lances

Vanguard detachment (+1 CP)

Warlock
5 Wraithguard with D-Scythes
8 Striking Scorpions with Exarch- Scorpion Claw
6 Howling Banshees with Exarch- Executioner
Wave Serpent with 2 Shuriken cannons and twin shuriken catapults

Superheavy Auxiliary detachment (0 CP)

Wraithknight with Heavy Wraithcannons

1998 points

I assume the Wraithknight will charge into CC. Outside the Hemlock, Avatar, Reapers and WraithBlades you have little in anti vehicle and the Avatar may not get into contact at all.

I don't know anything about the WraithKnight or how much he can kill vs his cost.....you probably can answer better.

Is he enough to take it to a vehicle heavy list?

 admironheart wrote:
I assume the Wraithknight will charge into CC. Outside the Hemlock, Avatar, Reapers and WraithBlades you have little in anti vehicle and the Avatar may not get into contact at all.

I don't know anything about the WraithKnight or how much he can kill vs his cost.....you probably can answer better.

Is he enough to take it to a vehicle heavy list?

The Wraithknight can kill a tough tank each turn in CC (average of 13 wounds). He will charge forward to engage as soon as possible. I chose the Scatterlasers to benefit from the lack of to hit penalty from moving (and 8 st 6 shots sound tasty), but maybe Shuriken Cannons would be better to advance and still shoot.
I could find points for Bright Lances for the Wave Serpent, or change the Wraithblades for Wraithguard. That would make the list weaker against hordes but stronger against tanks.
Another option for more anti tank would be to make the Wraithknight a shooty Wraithcannon one. But I think it's too expensive for around 10 wounds a turn (with Guide) with no invulnerable save.
I don't want to change the list dramatically.

Nothing?
Downgrading the Spiritseer to a Warlock and removing Vectored Engines, and the Scatterlasers from the WK would give me 45 spare points. Enough to change the Wraithblades into D-scythe Wraithguard, which are worse against hordes but much more versatile, bringing antitank-antimonster.

I could also change the Hemlock for a Crimson Hunter to save a chunk of points (50?) and not lose a lot of anti tank power. But what could I do with them? Brightlances+Crystal targetting matrix for the Wave Serpent? A second Warlock (plus upgrade back to Spiritseer for the first)? Ooooor... Giving the Wraithknight the Heavy Wraithcannons?

Do you think those changes would help the list?

I have added two alternative lists to the first post to try to bring some discussion.
Any thoughts?
Which one sounds more balanced and well-rounded? Craftworlds, relics, warlord traits?

That's my last attempt to get any attention (and advice) before I give up. I think I have the worse views-to-post ratio in the whole subforum :'D
I'm only asking for advice on which list looks better balanced against different threats, and maybe some ideas for optional rules fine-tuning (relics, warlord traits, cw rules, etc.).

Thanks

Drop the avatar. Take more reapers. They are needed with all the fire raptors flying around.

I also recommend more than 1 serpent. Their mortal wounds are great late game verse things like bobby g or Celestine that gets too close.

 Icelord wrote:
Drop the avatar. Take more reapers. They are needed with all the fire raptors flying around.

I also recommend more than 1 serpent. Their mortal wounds are great late game verse things like bobby g or Celestine that gets too close.

Thanks. That's nothing of what I asked for (not salty, just being honest) but it's welcome.

The Avatar is here so I can use the Yncarne model (Ynnari were destroyed by the FAQ so I wouldn't use the original rules). I know it's very expensive only for that, but sometimes you've got to use the models you like, regardless.

 DanielFM wrote:
I have added two alternative lists to the first post to try to bring some discussion.
Any thoughts?
Which one sounds more balanced and well-rounded? Craftworlds, relics, warlord traits?

You said "any thoughts" so how is that not what you asked for.

I was speaking about the last list you posted, which I figured you would get.

I was aiming my comments more towards competitive. If you want to use the models you like go for it! Just makes it hard to give real advice.

good luck!

 Icelord wrote:

 DanielFM wrote:
I have added two alternative lists to the first post to try to bring some discussion.
Any thoughts?
Which one sounds more balanced and well-rounded? Craftworlds, relics, warlord traits?

You said "any thoughts" so how is that not what you asked for.

I was speaking about the last list you posted, which I figured you would get.

I was aiming my comments more towards competitive. If you want to use the models you like go for it! Just makes it hard to give real advice.

good luck!

Oh, so you like the last one (C) better? Sorry! I think both of us assumed too many things
I understand why you would advice to drop the Avatar and to get more Reapers and WS. They are top of the CW game after all.
Maybe I should have made more clear that I basically wanted one of these three lists, untouched, and some advice for Craftworld rules, relics and warlord traits which could work.

Well likely alaitoc since you are so shooty. the -1 to hit is really good with the rangers already bonus.

Spirit stone is a solid relic too of course.

 Icelord wrote:
Well likely alaitoc since you are so shooty. the -1 to hit is really good with the rangers already bonus.

Spirit stone is a solid relic too of course.

One of my options for a relic was the Shiftshroud to deepstrike the Warlock (and Wraithguard with 1 CP) and Quicken them into range, or the same but close to Striking Scorpions for Quicken or Enhance+Supreme Disdain (5+/4+ extra attacks galore). I wouldn't like to pick Alaitoc for everyone as Puritanical Leader is pretty worthless in my list.

Another option for the relic would be the Spirit Stone indeed. Having to pick Biel Tan as one of my detachments, that would have the pro of unlocking "Court of the Younk King" (very useful for Scorpions) and Natural Leader, one of my top picks for the Autarch (auto-Guide for the Reapers or Wraithknight). The only con is that Biel Tan doesn't bennefit my list a lot (only a few shuriken pistols and the shuriken weapons on the WS).

The last one would be the Psytronome, but as I will be using shooty Wraith Constructs it doesn't make a lot of sense.

My other preferred Warlord Trait would be Fate Reader for a real CP generation machine. That would force one of my detachments into Ulthwé (not that bad). It could be compatible with a Shiftshroud Warlock, Rangers and anyone not needing the Path of Command rerolls in an Alaitoc detachment.

I think those are all the "optimal" options considering my lists. What do you think?