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So far we have 10 Codex for 8th Edition.

Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Grey Knights, Astra Militarum, Adeptus Mechanicus, Tyranids, Chaos Space Marines, DeathGuard, Craft World.

Do you think that 2018 will see a similar number? More Less? If you were to hazard a guess, which do you think will see accompanying models? Let's have a look at the outstanding factions.

Chaos Daemons. Already confirmed as the first codex of 2018 and there have been several rumours regarding the potential appearance of a new GUO (and maybe some other Nurgle units, Pestigors? Beast of Nurgle?)

Orks: This could be a Codex only release as they have a pretty large and complete collection. It would be nice if they finally retired the ancient Buggy and Wartrack kits and replaced them with a newer kit and the boyz are pretty tired looking, however, when was the last time GW replaced a plastic troop kit? The older these kits are the 'cheaper it is for GW' so I wouldn't hold your breath.

T'au: Again, they could come with just a Codex as they have a pretty complete plastic line-up, although there have been several rumours regarding the potential expansion of their line-up through auxiliaries (which I would welcome with open arms.)

Drukari: An interesting one considering what happened with Craftworld (no plastic aspects), Could just be a Codex again although I would argue that they are in a position to have their line really shaken up. They have lots of outstanding resin figures and lots of potential openings regarding previously unexplored lore.

Necrons: Another quality line up of relatively new plastic kits. Could be a Codex accompanied by a clam-pack or two...

Genestealer Cults: I'm not even sure these guys are going to get a full 8th edition codex. They probably will but I wouldn't be surprised if they are left as a minimal faction with rules from the Index. Does anyone know if GW has pledged to bring a Codex out for all existing factions?

Harlequins: The same situation as the GC. Could be left with the Indexes but could also be expanded significantly.

Thousand Sons: I do think we are going to see some significant time and resources put into expanding the Traitor legions in a similar way to what we have seen with Death Guard. I'm going to go for a Codex with several weeks of releases, but not till late in the year or even potentially 2019.

Inquisition. A small collection of Direct only resin figures, does not a faction make. No Codex.

Adeptus Ministorum: A fan favourite which could be a large Codex-Miniature release. I'd like to think that it's going to happen but there is a side of me that thinks that purely as a business decision it might not happen. They are still able to flog a decent amount of resin figures at a premium figure. I really think that GW want to focus on creating entirely new kits for new things which didn't exist before. I hope for a full release but who knows?

Death Watch: Similar to the Angels being release at the moment. A primaris captain to accompany a Codex is most likely.

Space Wolves: This one could go either way for me. Either a book and clampack or the return of a Primark.

So that's pretty much it. I'm not including the likes of the Custodes/SoS as I don't think there is any likelihood of a new codex there.

What do you guys think? I also think that we might just see the release of an entirely new faction.

8th only came out in the middle of the year. Anything close to the pace should see then finish the line, or just about.

As for what's next, Tau, Necrons and Imperial Agents (Inquisition, Sisters of Silence, Custodes, etc.) didn't get much in the way of updates in Chapter Approved. It's pretty safe betting that those ones will be out soon in the new year.

Armies that saw substantial adjustments (Space Wolves, Harlequins, Orks, Genestealer Cults, Deathwatch) will probably be waiting till later in the year.

Since they chose not to replace the Finecast Aspect Warriors with the Eldar release, I don't think age or quality of model range will necessarily indicate what gets new models.


EDIT: They've also already announced and previewed a new plastic HQ for Custodes (which doesn't exist in their current rules). They'll probably get their book, either standalone or combined, by end of February.

GW did say that any army that had a book would be getting one. They've also specifically called out Codex: Genestealer Cults in the Guard FAQ. Pretty sure the same thing was done for Harlequins. Also worth mentioning that Genestealers are still missing an Aberrant plastic kit outside of Deathwatch: Overkill.

Asmodai wrote:
Since they chose not to replace the Finecast Aspect Warriors with the Eldar release, I don't think age or quality of model range will necessarily indicate what gets new models.

This is something that's been the subject of speculation for awhile.

Personally, I'm of the belief that they refrained from releasing updated Aspect Warriors as they plan on doing it with Codex: Ynnari. They're not beyond doing multi-faction kits in Age of Sigmar and I see no reason why they should shy from it here as well when the units could literally be used in two different armies.

I don't expect all the books in 2018, because it seems some may be set to have some model releases.

GW has stated their intention to have every current army codex released by the one year anniversary of 8th.

If that's the case (Which I sincerely hope it is) what do people think they will do in the second year?

 Hollow wrote:
If that's the case (Which I sincerely hope it is) what do people think they will do in the second year?

Reprint the codex with points changes and errata. While raising the prices. Then 2 months later release a Chapter Approved that changes the points.

Then they'll release new models for each faction. Then print new codexes for them. Then another chapter approved to tone down the power of the new models.

Then repeat... And repeat... And repeat... Then a new edition that foes back to 3rd ed style with all new codexes.

Yawn...

 Hollow wrote:
It would be nice if they finally retired the ancient Buggy and Wartrack kits and replaced them with a newer kit and the boyz are pretty tired looking, however, when was the last time GW replaced a plastic troop kit? The older these kits are the 'cheaper it is for GW' so I wouldn't hold your breath.

July 2016 - Tactical Marines
October 2015 - Tau Firewarriors
April 2015 - Eldar Windriders
December 2014 - Blood Angels Tactical Squad
Etc...

 DeffDred wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
If that's the case (Which I sincerely hope it is) what do people think they will do in the second year?

Reprint the codex with points changes and errata. While raising the prices. Then 2 months later release a Chapter Approved that changes the points.

Then they'll release new models for each faction. Then print new codexes for them. Then another chapter approved to tone down the power of the new models.

Then repeat... And repeat... And repeat... Then a new edition that foes back to 3rd ed style with all new codexes.

Yeah pretty much this.

 Hollow wrote:
If that's the case (Which I sincerely hope it is) what do people think they will do in the second year?

Models, presumably. There was rumor of a new Xenos faction a while back but idk how reputable that is.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
GW has stated their intention to have every current army codex released by the one year anniversary of 8th.

GW has said a lot of things regarding codex releases which have not turned out to come to pass.

I'm certainly willing to believe that it's probable that we'll get a new Sisters book, but I doubt we'll get any new minis. GW is too busy pushing marines lately.

 Melissia wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:
GW has stated their intention to have every current army codex released by the one year anniversary of 8th.

GW has said a lot of things regarding codex releases which have not turned out to come to pass.

I'm certainly willing to believe that it's probable that we'll get a new Sisters book, but I doubt we'll get any new minis. GW is too busy pushing marines lately.

Please do enlightening me as to the lots of things that GW said with regards to codex releases that did not come to pass.

Ordana wrote:
Please do enlightening me as to the lots of things that GW said with regards to codex releases that did not come to pass.

Since 3rd edition, multiple GW bigwigs had promised a new Sisters of Battle codex with a plastic sisters of battle. Five editions later, still hasn't happened. In fourth edition, the codex itself didn't happen, either.

 Hollow wrote:
If that's the case (Which I sincerely hope it is) what do people think they will do in the second year?

For me that's a really interesting question.

Sure there's always room in the IP for more (and more and more) sub factions. I'd love to see Arbites get a codex and army list.

The new Dark Imperium era might allow for some new takes on old ideas. Maybe a Marine Remnants list, marines cut off from supplies and reinforcement ala the old 13th Company.

And always room for something brand new, but there aren't any obvious niches to fill. But hey that's what an artist does, convince us to want something we've never seen before.

Maybe a new direction for the game? More superheavies ala Apocalypse/Escalation? A return to the Shadow War rules?

I really wonder...

Or maybe the prophesies are true and finally releasing Codex Sisters of Battle will cause the whole 40k universe to implode.

 Melissia wrote:

Ordana wrote:
Please do enlightening me as to the lots of things that GW said with regards to codex releases that did not come to pass.

Since 3rd edition, multiple GW bigwigs had promised a new Sisters of Battle codex with a plastic sisters of battle. Five editions later, still hasn't happened. In fourth edition, the codex itself didn't happen, either.

Um... no. Unless Natfka counts as a GW bigwig these days.

I'd guess we'll see Space Wolves together with Thousand Sons introducing Leman Russ. I was surprised it didn't happen with Fenris 2, now could be the time. It'll go along Primaris Wolves.

I don't expect new models for Tau and Necrons.

Dark Eldar need Vect back, but I have the feeling it's not time yet as GW focuses on Chaos more (and Imperium as usual).

Personally I'm hoping some port from AoS Orks to 40K to make Snakebite-Orks really interesting. I don't know why GW never did that, it's the most obvious thing to do. But since it didn't happen before I doubt it.

Plastic Sisters could be the second large release for 40K in 2018. But people have been saying that the last 10 years, too .

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Um... no. Unless Natfka counts as a GW bigwig these days.

Are you so new to the hobby that you don't remember when Jervis Johnson was writing codices? And do you think Phil Kelly doesn't count, either?

Both of them built up hype over Sisters Battle releases that never came.

 Melissia wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Um... no. Unless Natfka counts as a GW bigwig these days.

Are you so new to the hobby that you don't remember when Jervis Johnson was writing codices? And do you think Phil Kelly doesn't count, either?

No, because Codex writers are the lowest tier at GW. They have no say about production or release plans. They get finished models to their table and have the job to slap on some rules and background for them. And they only get to look at the models for reference when the 'Eavy Metal or White Dwarf or Photography team doesn't need them for their work.

So no, they are not bigwigs. They cannot make any decision on future products. And even if they could, where did they promise Sisters of Battle in Plastic (in 3rd Edition no less, when there were about 5 plastic kits total to start with and pewter old school Dark Eldar where the newfangled cool)?

 Hollow wrote:
If that's the case (Which I sincerely hope it is) what do people think they will do in the second year?

Well they can start to redo codexes maybe with some models as well along this time

Sunny Side Up wrote:
And even if they could, where did they promise Sisters of Battle in Plastic (in 3rd Edition no less, when there were about 5 plastic kits total to start with and pewter old school Dark Eldar where the newfangled cool)?

Phil Kelly and Jes Goodwin both said (in fourth and fifth editions) that the only thing stopping plastic Sisters of Battle from being released was some modeling issues they were working on.

I mean, I know you want to get defensive over GW and all (though I don't know why you would), but you're not going to cut through the years and years of bitter neglect Sisters have gotten through with such lame-ass excuses and complete and utter ignorance of GW's history like this.

 Hollow wrote:


and the boyz are pretty tired looking.

What do you mean? The boyz kit looks great and makes both slugga/choppa and shoota boyz.

He's saying they're an old kit that could use new minis.

 Melissia wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
And even if they could, where did they promise Sisters of Battle in Plastic (in 3rd Edition no less, when there were about 5 plastic kits total to start with and pewter old school Dark Eldar where the newfangled cool)?

Phil Kelly and Jes Goodwin both said (in fourth and fifth editions) that the only thing stopping plastic Sisters of Battle from being released was some modeling issues they were working on.

I mean, I know you want to get defensive over GW and all (though I don't know why you would), but you're not going to cut through the years and years of bitter neglect Sisters have gotten through with such lame-ass excuses and complete and utter ignorance of GW's history like this.

There is no need to defend. Saying Sisters are NOT coming because of issue X isn't the same as announcing "Sisters are getting a release" and than not following up on that promise.

You are the one who cited Sisters as proof that GW allegedly lied about Codex releases, unprompted and seemingly in contradiction to all official GW announcements in the past 20+ years that have all been born out.

I am not sure why you would randomly jump into a thread like this to begin with to accuse GW of lying to its customers, and insist on trying to support it with flimsy quotes from the burger-flipper-equivalents in the company that in no shape or form add up to "announcing Codex X, not releasing Codex X because we lied". If anything, they sound like GW employees explaining why they are NOT coming.

GW has many faults worth criticising, but official announcements on products that did not turn out to be the truth is not one of them. And new-GW making announcements such as "10 Codexes before Christmas" has followed up on that. I fail to see why your tin-foil-hat conspiracy interpretation of Sisters would logically amount to a credible enough reason do doubt other GW announcements in spite of their flawless track record in this very specific thing (notwithstanding many other faults one could rightfully criticise GW for) and assume a default-position of "They are lying"?



Sisters being neglected is unfortunate. But it's not the same as lying on their official announcements regarding future releases unless they did say "we'll release Sisters of Battle in 2012" and then failed to do that.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I'd guess we'll see Space Wolves together with Thousand Sons introducing Leman Russ. I was surprised it didn't happen with Fenris 2, now could be the time. It'll go along Primaris Wolves.
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I do think that would make thematic sense and would go along with the various comments before 8th dropped about the focus being on Imperium V Chaos. I'd personally like to see the Emperors Childrens expanded upon and Slaanesh to make a triumphant return and be properly fleshed out, so to speak.

First, our stuff is pewter, not resin.

Second, I doubt we're going to get plastic stuff, or new stuff.


It is my sincere hope that we will not be in "Imperial Agents," though I wouldn't even put any stock in that.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
First, our stuff is pewter, not resin.

Second, I doubt we're going to get plastic stuff, or new stuff.


It is my sincere hope that we will not be in "Imperial Agents," though I wouldn't even put any stock in that.

My theory is that it'll be a Sisters of Battle codex but Inquisition units will be included as auxiliaries that you can take without breaking SoB rules, like Astra Telepathica and Guard. I say this because Sisters are in Chapter Approved as a "real army" where Inquisition is not.

GW has put a hold on most new kits since their productions hasn't been up to meeting demand so far. I expect that their current plan is to release and finish the codexes while they get their new production up and running. Post summer next your will see a series of releases of new/updated kits as the production ramps up and the mass production of new kits becomes something they can actually handle.

 Lance845 wrote:
GW has put a hold on most new kits since their productions hasn't been up to meeting demand so far. I expect that their current plan is to release and finish the codexes while they get their new production up and running. Post summer next your will see a series of releases of new/updated kits as the production ramps up and the mass production of new kits becomes something they can actually handle.

I hope so, as this lull in production is a drag on everything- all the product lines. Even AoS is just getting those weird cities- reboxes mixing random kits.

While it will be nice to see the entire codex line wrapped up by summer, they (amusingly) need something to remind people they actually do make models, not just scribble out books really fast.

Voss wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
GW has put a hold on most new kits since their productions hasn't been up to meeting demand so far. I expect that their current plan is to release and finish the codexes while they get their new production up and running. Post summer next your will see a series of releases of new/updated kits as the production ramps up and the mass production of new kits becomes something they can actually handle.

I hope so, as this lull in production is a drag on everything- all the product lines. Even AoS is just getting those weird cities- reboxes mixing random kits.

While it will be nice to see the entire codex line wrapped up by summer, they (amusingly) need something to remind people they actually do make models, not just scribble out books really fast.

They've got the easy to build primaris/death guard stuff (probably doesn't count for most people but eh) plus a Custodes HQ coming out so they haven't completely stopped making models.