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Hey guys,

Updating my take all comers list to consider the latest changes. I have a small amount of points to make up. My instant thought goes to a flyer or 5 Wolf Guard bikes with Storm Shields and Storm Bolters.

But I'd like a group opinion. What would you change (or specifically add) in keeping with the take all comers theme?

I've a number of other models and quite like painting more.. So go nuts on the suggestions. Just keep it in with Space Wolves, Assassins and Inquisition!

Thanks.


++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Space Wolves) [99 PL, 1784pts] ++

+ Heavy Support +

Long Fangs [7 PL, 170pts]
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 98pts]
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 98pts]
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 98pts]
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 3x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun

+ Fast Attack +

Thunderwolf Cavalry [16 PL, 246pts]
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Storm shield, Wolf claw
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Storm shield, Wolf claw
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Storm shield, Wolf claw
. Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ HQ +

Rune Priest [7 PL, 122pts]: 1. Storm Caller, Bolt pistol, Jump Packs, Runic staff

Rune Priest [7 PL, 122pts]: 1. Storm Caller, Bolt pistol, Jump Packs, Runic staff

Wolf Priest [6 PL, 97pts]: Bolt pistol, Jump Packs

+ Elites +

Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 182pts]: Twin lascannon
. Great Wolf Claw w/Heavy Flamer: Heavy flamer

Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [15 PL, 203pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm bolter, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm bolter, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Frost sword, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour with Heavy Weapon: Assault cannon, Frost sword
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Storm bolter, Thunder hammer

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Officio Assassinorum) ++

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Inquisition) ++

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - FW Adeptus Astartes) ++


++ Total: [99 PL, 1784pts] ++

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I can't comment on the usefulness of which units vs ops units, but I see that you still have like 216 points left to spend which could get you another 5 termies, a couple grey hunter squads, another units of TWC or some bikes or speeders or something.

I like where your head is at with what shines in the new book. My overall take is this. Rune priests are too expensive now. Njall is cheaper now.... Razorbacks are still ok, but nowhere near their prior value. Termites are cool, but not as strong as other similarly priced units. Literally anything thinderwolves can do, wulfen can do better. Dread is cool but bjorn is worth the extra cost. To summarize. This is my most optimized 8th list at 2k point cost. This is off my head. But I thinks it’s right at 2k.

1st DETACHMENT - 4 combat points

HQ1 - Bjorn (TL Las, H Flamer, True Claw)
HQ2 - Njall with Runic TDA
Troop 1 - GH x5, Plasma Gun
Troop 2 - GH x5, Plasma Gun
Troop 3 - GH x10x Plasma Gun x2
Transport 1 - Razorback, TL Assault Canon, S Bolter
Transport 2 - Razorback, TL Assault Canon, S Bolter
Heavy 1 - Long Fangs x5, Lascannon x4
Heavy 2 - Long Fangs x5, Lascannon x4

2nd DETACHMENT - 1 Combat Point

HQ 1 - Arjac Rockfist
Elite 1 - Wulfen x5, Hammer x4, Shield x4, Dual Claws X1
Elite 2 - WG Bikers x5, S Bolter x5, S Shield x5
Elite 3 - WG Termies x5, S Bolter x5, P Sword x5




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Obviously Njall + termies teleport in. Wulfen use outflank for 1cp shooting for first turn combat. Njall escorts the footslogging hunters to mid field objective. Often accompanied by the bikes for a ton of re rolling Dakka. Termies are annoying. Njall usually ends up with the main group in the middle, not with the Termies. But it’s all situational. Longfangs post up on rear objectives with some good LOS ideally. The 2 Razorback groups provide assistance where it’s needed. Sometimes I just run the empty tanks up with bjorn, leaving the five men groups in back line so I can spread out a bit to block deep striking, but normally they all advance.

I like the feedback guys.

The list/tactic is intriguing. But I feel using Wulfen without Blood Claws can be a bit of a waste. But it's edging onto the game play style I enjoy.

I've amended my list below. I think it should offer a few options for me. I think it would be a fairly flexible list for deployment options. Razorback, whirlwind and long fangs at the back. Dreads to make a walk and pop tanks as they go. Rhino to carry the larger squad, inquisitor into a large dakka squad. And run bikes with it, making an opening for njal and termies to drop in.

Depending on how it all goes, I could drop njal with the dreads to cover from anti tank. Even be mental and deploy units via outflank.

Any extra thoughts would be appreciated!


++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Space Wolves) [134 PL, 1931pts] ++

+ Heavy Support +

Long Fangs [7 PL, 170pts]
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang: Lascannon
. Long Fang Pack Leader: Boltgun and Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

Whirlwind [6 PL, 106pts]: Storm bolter, Whirlwind vengeance launcher

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

Rhino [4 PL, 74pts]: 2x Storm bolter

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [11 PL, 78pts]: 5x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 5x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol

Grey Hunters [11 PL, 78pts]: 5x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 5x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol

Grey Hunters [11 PL, 137pts]: 8x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 6x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Grey Hunter w/Plasma Pistol: Plasma pistol
. Grey Hunter with Special Weapon: Bolt Pistol, Plasma gun

+ HQ +

Bjorn the Fell-handed [14 PL, 267pts]: Heavy flamer, Twin lascannon

Njal Stormcaller in Runic Terminator Armour [9 PL, 153pts]

+ Elites +

Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 182pts]: Twin lascannon
. Great Wolf Claw w/Heavy Flamer: Heavy flamer

Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour [15 PL, 203pts]
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm bolter, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Storm bolter, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Frost sword, Storm shield
. Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour with Heavy Weapon: Assault cannon, Frost sword
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader in Terminator Armour: Storm bolter, Thunder hammer

Wolf Guard on Bikes [28 PL, 251pts]
. Wolf Guard on Bike: Storm bolter, Storm shield
. . Bike: Twin boltgun
. Wolf Guard on Bike: Storm bolter, Storm shield
. . Bike: Twin boltgun
. Wolf Guard on Bike: Storm bolter, Storm shield
. . Bike: Twin boltgun
. Wolf Guard on Bike: Storm bolter, Storm shield
. . Bike: Twin boltgun
. Wolf Guard on Bike: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
. . Bike: Twin boltgun
. Wolf Guard on Bike Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm bolter, Storm shield
. . Bike: Twin boltgun

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Inquisition) [5 PL, 69pts] ++

+ HQ +

Inquisitor [5 PL, 69pts]: Force sword, Needle Pistol, Psyker


++ Total: [139 PL, 2000pts] ++

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Wulfen are amazing just like they are. The new outflank strategem makes them amazing. I really feel like they are an auto include now. I do think this list looks better. If you are not using named dreads and shielding with units. I feel like Dakka predator or just more long Fangs does better. How about dropping the whirlwind and the dread and taking off the expensive assault canon on the terminator squad. Then taking two more long Fangs, one with 4x lascannons and one with 4x plasma canons. Plasma canons are super good for the Fangs with the overcharging and re-rolling one’s to hit. I like to run my Termies as cheap as possible as a big backline distraction. They don’t run things down nearly as well as wulfen. So often they are best served as just a bunch of bolter fire and a part of the spearhead. Pin things against the wulfen. If no alpha strike with wulfen or fliers, maybe just take another bike squad. Bike Dakka + bjorn is super silly.

10 bikes = 40 bolter shots or 60 within.12”. Bjorn adding re-rolls makes for some serious pain.


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I can’t stress enough how good wulfen are with the new stratagem. With charge re-roll and potentially a single dice re-roll for a CP afterwards, they basically guarantee turn one combat now.

I'll try Wulfen.. Maybe convert from primaris to stand in for them!

Is 1 claws, 2 axe, 2 hammer/shield still the go to layout?

1 pair of claws is mandatory, 2 TH/SS highly recommended. Then you con with other 2 TH/SS or saving a few points with 2 axes, probably the 4 TH/SS setup is best one at the moment but I think axes will go down in points with the codex.

I’ve been running them 4x hammer + Shield and leader with claws.... pricey but man they hit hard.


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Also the claws are an amazing value, even after the point increase. I’ve toyed with the idea of using all claws. They are just lightning claws l, but better, for the same cost...

If you run Wolfguard Termies with storm bolter and power sword only, they are the cheapest terminators in the game, I believe. Something to be aware of. People will still devote some firepower to then and it’s easy to get value out of the barebones setup. If you want to change them up, combi plasma and frost swords makes for a nasty group. Also Arjac. So mean. He’s another great value hq now.

I think you're missing an opportunity in the wolf guard termies since they can mix and match combi-weapons, melee weapons and the storm shields as they please


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IMO you at least need to go for frost swords since the S5 in cc will be very effective. at only 7pts they're a steal

I agree with that. And the math was low anyhow. On that example list you can have frost swords and still be at 1983 points. I’ve magnetized all my Termies and have a staggering amount of combi plasmas ranging back for ages... I like them l, but they increase cost and storm bolters are still high value. Superior to plasma when shooting light infantry and ultra cheap. I think with so many multi wound weapons out there investing in the combi plasma means I might as well start mixing shields in and fancier weapons, and all of a sudden it’s crazy expensive. The basic Termies or just frost swords and storm bolter terminators serve a great purpose. In 8th I’ve had a lot of luck with lists that leave the expensive gear behind. Lascannons kill tanks. Wulfen chase things around. Termies distract things. Hero bubble and grey hunters dominates middle of map. Masssssssss storm bolter fire everywhere! I think wolves can succeed both with ultra leet squads or min maxing atm. Just gotta play smart!

I don't think wolf guard bikers are worth the 10 extra points per base. I use swiftclaws. bs4+ is fine for 29% less points.

Ive been using a 10 man hell blaster squad with on the hunt rather then wulfen. Are wulfen that bad ass?

Erik the Red wrote:



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I can’t stress enough how good wulfen are with the new stratagem. With charge re-roll and potentially a single dice re-roll for a CP afterwards, they basically guarantee turn one combat now.

You can't re-roll a re-roll.

Keep it coming. Some good stuff here! I will undoubtedly be getting an extra set of wulfen (probably convert primaris to them).

cult_of_the_void_dragon wrote:
I think you're missing an opportunity in the wolf guard termies since they can mix and match combi-weapons, melee weapons and the storm shields as they please


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IMO you at least need to go for frost swords since the S5 in cc will be very effective. at only 7pts they're a steal

What 5 man layout would you suggest for a squad then? I agree combi weapons are great though!




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Am curious too.

What's the 'best' HQ for pairing with Grey Hunters? To bubble the hell out of mid field. I typically run 'bike HQ with bikes'.. But I'm looking for generic and usefull. Foot slog and in vehicles?

5x s bolter and power sword (min cost)
5x s bolter and frost sword (almost always worth the extra points)
5x combi plasma and frost sword (super good. But getting costly.
5x combi plasma + shield (take and hold backline objective take cover / shooting position)
Mixed big squad with heroes and scattered weapon options (fluffy and most fun to look at, toss Arjac with them, some mix of combi Plas, storm bolter, and frosty weapons)
I find that they die and since wulfen can run things down so well, they are where I choose to sink the points into melee weapons. That and I need points to run my expensive fun heroes!
You cannot Reroll a reroll, but if you get a 6 and a 1 and needed 7, you CAN opt to use a xp and reroll the one low dice, instead of choosing to reroll both dice. Sorry for the confusion there.


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5x s bolter and power sword (min cost)
5x s bolter and frost sword (almost always worth the extra points)
5x combi plasma and frost sword (super good. But getting costly.
5x combi plasma + shield (take and hold backline objective take cover / shooting position)
Mixed big squad with heroes and scattered weapon options (fluffy and most fun to look at, toss Arjac with them, some mix of combi Plas, storm bolter, and frosty weapons)
I find that they die and since wulfen can run things down so well, they are where I choose to sink the points into melee weapons. That and I need points to run my expensive fun heroes!
You cannot Reroll a reroll, but if you get a 6 and a 1 and needed 7, you CAN opt to use a xp and reroll the one low dice, instead of choosing to reroll both dice. Sorry for the confusion there.

I'm fortunate enough to have some extra bits. I'll magnetise my terminators to have these options;

Frost sword, Storm Bolter, Storm shield and Combi Plas (one with AC)

Seems to be the best variation I can find. Given the lean towards wulfen with hammers I'll simply exclude them from terminator squads.

What about HQ's?

Bjorn with lascannon and flamer is great.
Njall with TDA is great as well.

Other fun options:

TWC Wolf lords (use relic blade here)
Arjac Rockfist to join some deep strike termie squad.

Not HQ, but TWC Iron priests are great to escort Bjorn or Murderfang. Also murderfang!

One more lascannon Long Fang please! Whirlwind is kinda useless IMHO....

They are also awesome with plasma canons. Only 1 point more than LC and can overcharge every shot fairly safely with their one rerolls.

Erik the Red wrote:
They are also awesome with plasma canons. Only 1 point more than LC and can overcharge every shot fairly safely with their one rerolls.

I tought Lascannon Long Fang were 4 points more than Plasma Cannon Long Fang...

Plasma cannons are 21 points and lascannons are 25.

I'm skeptical about their effectiveness. Anyone got any hard numbers on plasma vs Las?

Piejonny wrote:
I'm skeptical about their effectiveness. Anyone got any hard numbers on plasma vs Las?

It's more a matter of reliability vs. raw damage output. Overcharged plasma gets more shots with lower, fixed damage (as long as you don't roll 1s), lascannons get a lower amount of shots but with higher potential damage and you can't kill yourself with it, but also have a higher chance to fluke spectacularly with their D6 damage and low shot count.

Lascannons are by far better anti tank weapons than plasma cannons.

While the Long fang's inherent re-roll 1's lets you overcharge a little more freely with plasma, I've noticed they lack some punch and the range difference can mean the difference between all 4-5 heavy weapons firing or losing a few moving in to position. Really a plasma cannon squad needs a razorback to make sure they always can get where they're needed most and within range

Plasma canons are not a great replacement for lascannons but they are strong. On a side note, I’ve been toying with the idea of outflanking some long Fangs with melta.... think it’s be worth doing?

Just played a game with Outflanking Melta, Murderfang and Wulfen.

The Ultra Marines gunline melted. Killed a transport, a squad of hellblasters turn 1. Gman in turn 2.

How are you outflanking Murderfang? That sounds awesome, but the strategem is for infantry only... Am I missing something?

Didn't word that the best. He was not out flanked!

Holy cow, speaking of Murderfang. The only other space wolf player around me ran a super cool list the other day.

Looked like bjorn and muted strand marching with a thunder wolf iron priest healing. Accompanied by a ten man wolfguard bike pack wrapped in fenris Ian wolves. That plus some min maxed grey hunters with predators and outflank small wulfen pack. Super mobile spearhead of doom!

No idea what the points were or the exact list, but iron priest twc with the big dreadnaughts seems great. And bjorn plus Dakka bolter bikes puts out so much hurt.