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2018/02/02 13:58:37
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
Inquisitor Martyr looks so absolutely amazing I’m pretty sure it will never live up to my expectations. If it is as good as it looks it could be the most dangerous thing for my precious free time since the great Skyrim addiction of 2012. Which nearly wiped out my reading time and severely disrupted my sleeping habits.
I’m not on steam so I assume I can’t get the free levels that came with WD this month.
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2018/02/02 20:27:53
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
Dance of the Skulls is a good read - Neferatatastic - A Brothers Confession was not bad either.
I had the ebook of the Dance - nice to have it in print as well.
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Looky Likey wrote: Picked up and read Khan's primarch book yesterday, very good, even manages to fit in why the Emperor and Mal wanted to keep the warp under wraps.
I probably won't be buying that novel, could you put a wee summary of that into a spoiler box please?
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Looky Likey wrote: Picked up and read Khan's primarch book yesterday, very good, even manages to fit in why the Emperor and Mal wanted to keep the warp under wraps.
I probably won't be buying that novel, could you put a wee summary of that into a spoiler box please?
sure, Khan spoilers ahead:
Spoiler:
Lots of pressure put on Khan and his seconds for Khan to meet with Malcador to carry on the discussion started with the Emperor. When Khan does meet Malcador, Malcador only wants to discuss Khan sticking with the story of the Imperial Truth. Khan not really interested as he knows its rubbish, the warp exists and wants to eat your soul.
Khan sent to fight the Nephillion who are positioned as Gods to the enslaved humans and eat the humans souls. Khan talks to a saved enslaved human who didn't want to be saved and still thinks of the Nephillion as benign Gods. Khan comments that this is a clumsy lesson from Terra about the Imperial Truth to his seconds. That if you tell humans that the gods are real it will encourage worship.
2018/02/03 20:52:36
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
new WD reveals that the 2 books being specially reprinted are :
Drachenfels -- from 1989
and Brothers of the Snake .
and pics of the released this weekend anthology.
Should also be on sale at warhammer world too.
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2018/02/04 12:39:56
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
It's on sale at the HH/Necromunda event this weekend.
I think it will be on sale at various other events this year, and will be on sale at WW for a while.
I have a vague memory about them saying they'll do one anthology type book like this per year but that might 've been an old plan -- note this one doesn't have any AOS stories .
I think they'll get digital releases at some point too.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2018/02/04 13:15:10
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
Cheers, maybe I'll get around to visiting WHW later this year, but digital release is a good alternative, as I do need me some more Prince of Crows stuff.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2018/02/04 14:06:59
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
2018/02/04 14:20:52
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
Hah! Nice to see Mikhail Savier getting work with GW - his sketches of Marines and armour are some of my favourite depictions of "truescale" Marines.
All the WHF omnibuses are brilliant. Shame BL couldn't muster up the energy to put out so many WHF books when WHF still existed, but my shelves love anthology editions and I'll be glad to get hold of those Dwarf-related short stories(and for anyone who, like me, was not a fan of Gav Thorpe's stuff after the Heresy novels - Elves & Dwarfs he can do really well, so grab that one if you like stunties).
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2018/02/04 14:31:14
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
Just about finished Wolfsbane, a good book but a bit too much metaphysical stuff with the underverse section for me. While the ending is not in doubt there are a few surprises in the book.
Spoiler:
The book starts with a very rare Horus PoV chapter. Horus acts just like the sterotypical older child confronted with a new sibling when the Emperor first introduces him to Russ.
Cawl is in the book, and in such a way he cannot in anyway shape or form be Arkham Land
Russ has two interesting moments with Malcador:
A rare smile crept across Malcador'sthin lips. 'Do you know, I did tell your father to make you more personally compatible with each other. But he believed you all needed to be different to fit the tasks He had ordained for you, and that rivalry rather than blind affection would drive you to greater heights'
Ruus' face twisted. 'If father knew this foe was so dangerous, this Chaos. He should have told us about it. Then this whole sorry mess of a war would never have happened.'
'He kept it from you to protect you' said Malcador. 'If He had told the trust, the outcome may well have been worse. More of your brothers may have been tempted to actively seek greater power. See what happened to Magnus.'
Russ could have beaten Horus with the psi spear given to him by the Emperor, but hesitated, instead talks to the real Horus rather than the corrupted version. I can't help but feel this will be a mirror of the Emperor's final battle with Horus. Russ' role was to remind Horus of his humanity, sow that seed for the final battle.
I can't find the direct quote, but Malcador also talks about the 20 legions being, the 2 we do not talk about, the 9 who turned traitor, and the 9 than remained loyal. I found it very interesting that the lost 2 are not described as traitors or similar by Malcador.
Abaddon's slaughter of the Wolves is not covered but the Wolves are decimated by the end of the book.
It all leads up to Beta Garmon for the next big phase in the HH and ties in with where Adeptus Titanicus is set...
I have The Burden of Loyalty, the Primarch event book, and the BL event Anthology for 17/18 left to read from my purchases this weekend, going to have a fallow period until Magos comes out.
I mentioned this in the FW thread but the SoT books may be separatey branded from the HH books. They also confirmed that the HH books would carry on after the SoT started and finished. The Scouring is also confirmed to start after SoT finishes.
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I can't find the direct quote, but Malcador also talks about the 20 legions being, the 2 we do not talk about, the 9 who turned traitor, and the 9 than remained loyal. I found it very interesting that the lost 2 are not described as traitors or similar by Malcador.
Spoiler:
Well with all the other references in the HH it's been evident that whatever happened happened BEFORE HH started so loyal or traitor would be irrelevant. They were all loyal by then.
For example in 2nd book Horus in dream saw one of the missing primarch and knew what had happened. So whatever had happened was already done for a long time before Davin.
And certainly would make task of BL REALLY hard to keep what happened secret if the legions would be active in HH!
Well with all the other references in the HH it's been evident that whatever happened happened BEFORE HH started so loyal or traitor would be irrelevant. They were all loyal by then.
For example in 2nd book Horus in dream saw one of the missing primarch and knew what had happened. So whatever had happened was already done for a long time before Davin.
And certainly would make task of BL REALLY hard to keep what happened secret if the legions would be active in HH!
However:
Spoiler:
If the two missing legions had turned on the Emperor then I would have expected Malcador or Russ to mention them as the first traitors or similar, regardless of when it happened.
Their gene seed and DNA is available, both Cawl and Fabius have access to both, and Fabius has created clones for all 20 primarchs in his last book while Guilliman believes Cawl has created Primarus using all available gene seed regardless of source. So I do not hold up with them being completely lost anymore.
Having them as the two they don't talk about rather than referring to them as traitors or just plain dead just makes weirder and weirder. When you have family you don't talk about at all when the other half of the family you do despite being murdering traitors who nearly killed their own father, killed a few of their brothers, and wiped out half the Imperium, then something really bad must have happened. May be they forgot to buy the Emperor a Christmas present?
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Well with all the other references in the HH it's been evident that whatever happened happened BEFORE HH started so loyal or traitor would be irrelevant. They were all loyal by then.
For example in 2nd book Horus in dream saw one of the missing primarch and knew what had happened. So whatever had happened was already done for a long time before Davin.
And certainly would make task of BL REALLY hard to keep what happened secret if the legions would be active in HH!
However:
Spoiler:
If the two missing legions had turned on the Emperor then I would have expected Malcador or Russ to mention them as the first traitors or similar, regardless of when it happened.
Their gene seed and DNA is available, both Cawl and Fabius have access to both, and Fabius has created clones for all 20 primarchs in his last book while Guilliman believes Cawl has created Primarus using all available gene seed regardless of source. So I do not hold up with them being completely lost anymore.
Having them as the two they don't talk about rather than referring to them as traitors or just plain dead just makes weirder and weirder. When you have family you don't talk about at all when the other half of the family you do despite being murdering traitors who nearly killed their own father, killed a few of their brothers, and wiped out half the Imperium, then something really bad must have happened. May be they forgot to buy the Emperor a Christmas present?
Spoiler:
Them being something else than traitors has been set up before though.
This is why I hope they never actually reveal what happened. Whatever they come up with would be let down and illogical anyway. Not everything needs to be explained. Mysteries are GOOD so this is just perfect as it is. Hints but never tell what happened.
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2018/02/05 11:10:21
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
If they were to reprint the original GW Books edition with the internal art, I'd by it, as I only have the Boxtree edition.
You should all go and buy it. It may not fit the Old World timeline, but it's still one of the best novels written in the Warhammer setting. I'm still a little bitter that the Great Enchanter's cheap knockoff became a god in the Mortal Realms.
2018/02/05 11:22:24
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
Seriously, GW and BL have stated before at events that they will not tell people what happened to the two lost legions. They wanted to keep some things a mystery and that whatever they would think up would NEVER live up to the expectations of the community.
People said similar about the Primarchs coming back in 40k, people said the same about Custodies/SoS (although not as many people), hell its even looking like Squats are coming back into 40k. The old rules do not seemingly apply anymore and it would not surprise me to see at least something more concrete about the missing 2 than we had previously in the next few years, particularly with all the trolling around them in recent books.
I completely get that a good chunk of people do not want the mystery spoiled, but I don't think GW care about that. By the time the HH and SoT series are past the final battle I'm fully expecting people to be upset, regardless of how it is handled for the same reason.
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2018/02/05 12:22:59
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
Agreed that Drachenfels is good, but I hope it's more than just that novel and they reprint the Genevieve anthology - Beasts In Velvet is even better still IMO.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2018/02/06 19:11:18
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
I just got the newsletter. They will release a unique Eisenhorn Miniature for sale during the BL celebration. Does anyone have any info on the price? It looks kinda nice and would be a cool proxy for a leader in a Inq-based Kill Team.
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2018/02/06 19:38:08
Subject: Black Library 2018 News & Rumor thread: Feb 24th 20th Anniversary.
Kosake wrote: I just got the newsletter. They will release a unique Eisenhorn Miniature for sale during the BL celebration. Does anyone have any info on the price? It looks kinda nice and would be a cool proxy for a leader in a Inq-based Kill Team.
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