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 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm now wondering if one of those sniper shots with ALEPH gear is Perseus.

Perseus is a Dud and the pics are from a female, so probably not. Exept maybe the one that was labeled as the Warcor
Hope wee se some art of him soon, it will probably be an interesting model

Bubbalicious wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm now wondering if one of those sniper shots with ALEPH gear is Perseus.

Perseus is a Dud and the pics are from a female, so probably not. Exept maybe the one that was labeled as the Warcor
Hope wee se some art of him soon, it will probably be an interesting model

The snipershots were small shots of random parts. One might have been female and matched up a bit with the Wardriver, but it remains open on the three shots we've had. Two of them were of belts, one had the ribbing that the Wardriver had, another had a poncho/cloth that didn't match up with the Wardriver, and then we had the ALEPH knife.

Remember that "snipershots" are the photos of the pink, sculpted bits.
"Dossiers" are the full art bits that have been posted.

I'm not saying that Perseus is guaranteed to be one of those, but it would be an interesting thing since it looks like he's an exciting character for TJC. And he's probably a Merc too, one that I could see showing up in StarCo...

The last one and the one with the cloth are of the same model just from different angles. The one with the cloth has the same ALEPH pistol holster and you can se parts of its suspeneders? hanging over the holster on both pics.
Last pic also has ALEPH holster, knife, knee pad and also has combat heels.

Agrred on the exciting character for TJC, especially since hi is considered to be a securitate for links so you could use him, securitates and grenzers in the same link

Bubbalicious wrote:
The last one and the one with the cloth are of the same model just from different angles. The one with the cloth has the same ALEPH pistol holster and you can se parts of its suspeneders? hanging over the holster on both pics.
Last pic also has ALEPH holster, knife, knee pad and also has combat heels.

Just so we're clear, this is the most recent sniper shot:

The 'one with the cloth' I'm referring to is this one:

The one that is assumed to be the Wardriver:


The one that I, personally, am leaning towards as being Perseus is the one that is currently assumed to be the Wardriver.

Agrred on the exciting character for TJC, especially since hi is considered to be a securitate for links so you could use him, securitates and grenzers in the same link

Pfft.
Grenzer Link+Perseus+Interventor. Since Grenzers are considered Securitate for Link purposes, you bring in Perseus and throw in an Interventor to boot!

The one that is assumed to be the Wardriver was the one i was referring to that could be Perseus, but i still believe its a Wardriver that is for GenCon.

The other two was the ones i thought was of the same model up until now when i noticed the alignment of the holsters are different. But they do have the same type of ALEPH holsters.
The most recent pic is definitely ALEPH.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Agrred on the exciting character for TJC, especially since hi is considered to be a securitate for links so you could use him, securitates and grenzers in the same link

Pfft.
Grenzer Link+Perseus+Interventor. Since Grenzers are considered Securitate for Link purposes, you bring in Perseus and throw in an Interventor to boot!

You could even throw Raul Spector in there to make it extra spicy!

Bubbalicious wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm now wondering if one of those sniper shots with ALEPH gear is Perseus.

Perseus is a Dud and the pics are from a female, so probably not. Exept maybe the one that was labeled as the Warcor
Hope wee se some art of him soon, it will probably be an interesting model

Wouldn't be the first time Nomads swapped a body/gender to hide someone from Aleph.

I'm borderline incapable of processing how far beyond my expectations this release is. Pretty much anything from the game is now available to Nomads in some form across the 4 sectorials. Not sure what's actually good, but I've got some armies to build.

Random question, but what defines a Fireteam as a Grenzer Fireteam? Is it a Grenzer Fireteam if the Grenzer counts as a Securiate?

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm borderline incapable of processing how far beyond my expectations this release is. Pretty much anything from the game is now available to Nomads in some form across the 4 sectorials. Not sure what's actually good, but I've got some armies to build.

Random question, but what defines a Fireteam as a Grenzer Fireteam? Is it a Grenzer Fireteam if the Grenzer counts as a Securiate?

I would assume that it would be a full Core Fireteam of just Grenzers before adding in the Interventor.

Grenzers count as Securitate for the purposes of a Securitate fireteam.

At least that's how I would play it.

That's my guess as well, though I think that means Interventors can only join a Haris, right? Grenzers don't have any Core fireteam options other than pretending to be Securiate.

On the subject of pretending to be Securiate, they also need to release Raoul like now.

Seems like a good guess, but it's worth mentioning that they had a lot of bugs earlier.

Crazy at work so it's hard to go over the profiles as well as I'd like. There's SO much great stuff, but in a sea of great profiles I think the most exciting thing I came across: 13 point 0SWC LT option!!!! OMG! Finally have a cheap LT option for vanilla!

Nomads & Tunguska aside, were there any other updates made to other lists?

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Nomads & Tunguska aside, were there any other updates made to other lists?

Not that I saw.

Random interesting bit. Tsyklons can pay 2 points for Forward Deployment in Tunguska only.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Nomads & Tunguska aside, were there any other updates made to other lists?

Not that I saw.

Anybody notice any notable changes to existing profiles? Szalanandra & Spektres looking pretty drab in this panoply of baby brains in jars and Muppet band robots.

 LunarSol wrote:
That's my guess as well, though I think that means Interventors can only join a Haris, right? Grenzers don't have any Core fireteam options other than pretending to be Securiate.

On the subject of pretending to be Securiate, they also need to release Raoul like now.

In the profiles PDF they have ‘Core, Haris and Special’ fireteams.


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 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Nomads & Tunguska aside, were there any other updates made to other lists?

Not that I saw.

Anybody notice any notable changes to existing profiles? Szalanandra & Spektres looking pretty drab in this panoply of baby brains in jars and Muppet band robots.

Spektrs got a KHD with Cybermines profile.

Grenzels count as securitate, not the other way around, so you cannot have a link with Perseus and Interventor.

And would you look at that.. They just gave Vanilla nomads a boost to by giving them a cheap 0swc Lt in the form of a securitate. Does this mean PanO gets smoke grenades?

Bubbalicious wrote:
Does this mean PanO gets smoke grenades?

No, to the contrary. Pan-O will lose the only smoke grenade source it has, the Guarda de Assalto's auxbot, when *Acontecimento Explodes!* and the Shock Army moves to the NAA faction. (It gets the JSA treatment. The Acontecimento Secession Army) Thus opening up the *design space* for Varuna. This way, Varuna will not be as lame as NCA.

It's going to take a while to understand everything we are seeing with this Tunguska list. Lots of intriguing things going on. Well, we know CB loves them some 'Mads.

Did Grenzers lose Mimitism? Did they ever have it?

Maybe I'm getting my Nomad Sniper dudes mixed up...

No. They had MSV1 and V: Courage. They gained Fireteam: Core and Fireteam: Haris.

Ah. True.

I must have totally messed up by thinking about Intruders and Nisses from my early days - it's been a long time since I've touched Nomads. This might be about to change, though!

 Red Harvest wrote:
No. They had MSV1 and V: Courage. They gained Fireteam: Core and Fireteam: Haris.

Also one profile got a biometric visor lvl1.

I really hope they keep some of the profiles in Tunguska out of vanilla or give them a heavy SWC vanilla tax.

Some blatant offenders that come to mind would be Securitate Lt, Mary Problems, Heckler jammer and the Puppetactica.

What you see in PDF is the Vanilla version except when specifically noted, the sectorial is listed at the end.

There is a lot of stuff that, on first impression at least, to be really, really good. I've been playing Infinity since before original HS and I don't thin I've ever seen a sectorial that was just this blatantly good right out of the gate. Theres a few choices that aren't as obviously good as others, but those are still really good too. And there are several things that seem overpowered.

I'm actually pretty afraid of this being the new meta. This is going to be tough to face.

Its also all very neat too.

 jake wrote:
There is a lot of stuff that, on first impression at least, to be really, really good. I've been playing Infinity since before original HS and I don't thin I've ever seen a sectorial that was just this blatantly good right out of the gate. Theres a few choices that aren't as obviously good as others, but those are still really good too. And there are several things that seem overpowered.

I'm actually pretty afraid of this being the new meta. This is going to be tough to face.

Its also all very neat too.

The biggest issue is that this is what keeps happening. As they progress their skills in writing units with little bloat it just makes the bloat from before far, far more obvious.
I'm not really on the whole "It's OP!" or "It's situational!" train. It's just a Sectorial with very little in the way of bloat on its units.

This is, IMO, what NCA should have been.

From the first impression the Tunguska looks quite strong but far from OP. The are some really good profiles and link teams like securitate mixed with grenzer but
everything is expensive, no cheap orders, few camo units, no MSV2. IMO this no ISS or Tohaa.

 Modock wrote:
From the first impression the Tunguska looks quite strong but far from OP. The are some really good profiles and link teams like securitate mixed with grenzer but
everything is expensive, no cheap orders, few camo units, no MSV2. IMO this no ISS or Tohaa.

Securitate are pretty cheap. Just 13 points. Thats more than a Fusilier or Aguicile, but they're also in an army with a lot of affordable options. Only 7 units in the army break 30 points, and most of those are 31-36, and very solid for their cost. So no, everything is not expensive. Its not cheap, but its very affordable, and you are gettng a LOT for what you are paying, especially compared to many actual expensive armies. Theres a huge amount of efficiency and versatility in these units without sacrificing power or specialization.

And yes, theres no MSV2. That may be the army's only really weakness. Between Hecklers and Spektrs theres some very good camo options though. I'm struggling to see what this army doesn't do well.

It may just be that this (along with the NA2 armies) is the beginning of a new power curve, and that in a year or two this won't seem so obviously powerful at all. But right now it looks alarmingly good (although I imagine it will have a learning curve).

We will see soon enough, with the Kazak sectorial, and whichever other it releases with, if it is a new power curve or just evidence that the Nomads are the pet faction and CB has let their inner fanboi run amok. I doubt it, personally, that it is the latter case.

There are some fairly good counter-balances to the new stuff. Tunguska sure has a lot of glass cannons. It is a far more interesting shake-up than the whole uprising debacle.