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Bubbalicious wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Have we heard about what's up with Raiden yet?

Raiden is Ryuken - 9 atleast the HRL one is same profile

 Kanluwen wrote:

Bubbalicious wrote:
Its only Fatality lvl1. +1DAM to BS weapons, although it's rather good with Daiyokais weapon options.

That's more the issue, at least for me.

Plus the weapon options. I mean really, MULTI Marksman Rifle on an HI? Would have been nice for Aquila Guard to get as an option.

Agree that it would have been a nice option for other units as well. Maybe they will get it in the future since its a new weapon and didnt exist when the Aquila profile was done.

Which means it's basically guaranteed to never happen since they don't seem to do retroactive that well.

Bubbalicious wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Have we heard about what's up with Raiden yet?

Raiden is Ryuken - 9 atleast the HRL one is same profile

Ah, didn't notice that - thank you!

 Alpharius wrote:

Bubbalicious wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Have we heard about what's up with Raiden yet?

Raiden is Ryuken - 9 atleast the HRL one is same profile

Ah, didn't notice that - thank you!

It's technically a little different, but clearly the same idea. It dropped to LI and picked up 4-4. Lost a point of CC and ARM gained a heavy pistol and went up a couple of points. Special abilities are in different places, but all available on that profile.

I do find it odd that Batou has a marker state but the Major does not. ODD is certainly a fine trade, but kind of an odd choice to give it to one profile and not the obvious other..

 LunarSol wrote:

It's technically a little different, but clearly the same idea. It dropped to LI and picked up 4-4. Lost a point of CC and ARM gained a heavy pistol and went up a couple of points. Special abilities are in different places, but all available on that profile.

I do find it odd that Batou has a marker state but the Major does not. ODD is certainly a fine trade, but kind of an odd choice to give it to one profile and not the obvious other..

It's basically the way of doing the Spetsnaz: they wanted different profiles that would play differently.

I mean, I get why they did it; I'm just kind of surprised that Batou's model is less visible on the table than the Major's.

 LunarSol wrote:
I mean, I get why they did it; I'm just kind of surprised that Batou's model is less visible on the table than the Major's.

Well, only until it does anything.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
I mean, I get why they did it; I'm just kind of surprised that Batou's model is less visible on the table than the Major's.

Well, only until it does anything.

It’s really an underwhelming mini for such an iconic character. I expected more profiles for Ryuken Unit-9 so they could make the rest of the GITS section 9 team; enough to warrant releasing a box of 4 guys.
Just make them like Scots Guard, order sergeants, acontecimento regulars, ... etc where only a few of the profiles can form a link team.
As far as we can tell JSA still lacks any unit in that sort of vein. It’d make sense for them to form that sort of unit now that they have no support from Yu Jing for all those other roles.

Was there any news about Haramaki or the JSA versions of the remotes?

I think they only showed off the profiles for the models in the box set.

Personally, I'd be surprised if any of the existing models changed. Even the Rider is basically a souped up Asuka.

 jake wrote:
Was there any news about Haramaki or the JSA versions of the remotes?

Haramaki are gone. Tanko probably replaced them.
Remotes look to be all the Yu Jing ones, no changes there.

 LunarSol wrote:
I think they only showed off the profiles for the models in the box set.

Personally, I'd be surprised if any of the existing models changed. Even the Rider is basically a souped up Asuka.

One of the merc factions mentions "Rui Shi (JSA version") in it's unit availability chart, so I was curious about that.

 LunarSol wrote:
I think they only showed off the profiles for the models in the box set.

Personally, I'd be surprised if any of the existing models changed. Even the Rider is basically a souped up Asuka.

Rider is Asuka, 6 pts more expensive, with dogged, and better CC skill + weapon.
She is a Specialist now. Not bad for a bike that also has a flamethrower.


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SMG oniwaban will be a tempting option now.
Always been disappointed that they have monofilament CCW, it’s such a specific use weapon.

Man, this has been more than a little disheartening. And I'm not even talking about the new units, Oniwaban leave Yu Jing and get the one thing we've been asking for on them since they were first revealed, a freaking B3 weapon!

The Ryuken get to keep the best Raiden profile and get supplemented with more mid-field control?

Asuka gets turned from something of mild relevance in vanilla in to a great fast specialist?



So not only am I losing some of my favourite vanilla options, but they're getting improved now that I can't use 'em.

Hurray...

Worse still, now it's sounding like the Invincible Army wont be coming along quickly to plug all the gaps left by the JSA (hell, some are saying it wont even show up in 2018). Refrains of "play ISS" and "it will be a rough year for Yu Jing" aren't doing a lot to warm me up to the way CB have decided to handle this. For a year that I went in to super-hyped for, this is sounding like a bit of a bust and the split JSA getting profile improvements that vanilla would have loved is just rubbing salt in the wounds. I already had to wait seven years for them to make ISS playable, I'm not looking for another wait to get vanilla back in to shape now.

I'm trying real hard to see a silver lining here, but CB really need to communicate with Yu Jing players, and not in their normal coy and info-free "teehee, we have a secret" sort of way. I was expecting at least something early on in the week, but each day of coverage without some kind of concrete statement is making it seem less and less likely that CB have anything in mind to help the faction out now that we're down a third of our profiles and a whole sectorial.

So as happy and excited as I want to be about new profiles (something that normally gets me excited or at least interested even when they aren't for my faction), this has put a pretty big rain cloud over my parade.

But as a non-salty aside, a lot of those profiles are looking great and I hope the JSA appreciate the new toys. They definitely grant some flexibility to the sectorial. I'm also interested to see if the Rui Shi is getting a rework for the JSA (given the callout in the Ikari Company list). The Tanko should also prove to be interesting, though I can't imagine it will behave quite like the Haramaki given the AVA.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Man, this has been more than a little disheartening. And I'm not even talking about the new units, Oniwaban leave Yu Jing and get the one thing we've been asking for on them since they were first revealed, a freaking B3 weapon!

The Ryuken get to keep the best Raiden profile and get supplemented with more mid-field control?

Asuka gets turned from something of mild relevance in vanilla in to a great fast specialist?



So not only am I losing some of my favourite vanilla options, but they're getting improved now that I can't use 'em.

Hurray...

Worse still, now it's sounding like the Invincible Army wont be coming along quickly to plug all the gaps left by the JSA (hell, some are saying it wont even show up in 2018). Refrains of "play ISS" and "it will be a rough year for Yu Jing" aren't doing a lot to warm me up to the way CB have decided to handle this. For a year that I went in to super-hyped for, this is sounding like a bit of a bust and the split JSA getting profile improvements that vanilla would have loved is just rubbing salt in the wounds. I already had to wait seven years for them to make ISS playable, I'm not looking for another wait to get vanilla back in to shape now.

I'm trying real hard to see a silver lining here, but CB really need to communicate with Yu Jing players, and not in their normal coy and info-free "teehee, we have a secret" sort of way. I was expecting at least something early on in the week, but each day of coverage without some kind of concrete statement is making it seem less and less likely that CB have anything in mind to help the faction out now that we're down a third of our profiles and a whole sectorial.

So as happy and excited as I want to be about new profiles (something that normally gets me excited or at least interested even when they aren't for my faction), this has put a pretty big rain cloud over my parade.

But as a non-salty aside, a lot of those profiles are looking great and I hope the JSA appreciate the new toys. They definitely grant some flexibility to the sectorial. I'm also interested to see if the Rui Shi is getting a rework for the JSA (given the callout in the Ikari Company list). The Tanko should also prove to be interesting, though I can't imagine it will behave quite like the Haramaki given the AVA.

They mentioned in the last video that Yu Jing will have to get some love soon. They just removed a good third of their roster.
I would expect some changes for ISS & by all accounts invincible army was involved in this JSA uprising. They very well might be next. There are 4 new sectorials dropping this year. Considering Yu Jing only has ONE official sectorial right now, they must be getting invincibles this year.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Man, this has been more than a little disheartening. And I'm not even talking about the new units, Oniwaban leave Yu Jing and get the one thing we've been asking for on them since they were first revealed, a freaking B3 weapon!

The Ryuken get to keep the best Raiden profile and get supplemented with more mid-field control?

Asuka gets turned from something of mild relevance in vanilla in to a great fast specialist?



So not only am I losing some of my favourite vanilla options, but they're getting improved now that I can't use 'em.

Hurray...

Worse still, now it's sounding like the Invincible Army wont be coming along quickly to plug all the gaps left by the JSA (hell, some are saying it wont even show up in 2018). Refrains of "play ISS" and "it will be a rough year for Yu Jing" aren't doing a lot to warm me up to the way CB have decided to handle this. For a year that I went in to super-hyped for, this is sounding like a bit of a bust and the split JSA getting profile improvements that vanilla would have loved is just rubbing salt in the wounds. I already had to wait seven years for them to make ISS playable, I'm not looking for another wait to get vanilla back in to shape now.

I'm trying real hard to see a silver lining here, but CB really need to communicate with Yu Jing players, and not in their normal coy and info-free "teehee, we have a secret" sort of way. I was expecting at least something early on in the week, but each day of coverage without some kind of concrete statement is making it seem less and less likely that CB have anything in mind to help the faction out now that we're down a third of our profiles and a whole sectorial.

So as happy and excited as I want to be about new profiles (something that normally gets me excited or at least interested even when they aren't for my faction), this has put a pretty big rain cloud over my parade.

But as a non-salty aside, a lot of those profiles are looking great and I hope the JSA appreciate the new toys. They definitely grant some flexibility to the sectorial. I'm also interested to see if the Rui Shi is getting a rework for the JSA (given the callout in the Ikari Company list). The Tanko should also prove to be interesting, though I can't imagine it will behave quite like the Haramaki given the AVA.

I felt the same way after losing Exrah (and when it looked like we might also see Shasvastii quietly go away). Don't lose hope. You still have plenty of good options. For now you can make do with a smaller selection. Try some options you normally ignore. Explore some unconventional lists. New stuff will come for the rest of Yujing soon enough. It'll hopefully all even out eventually.

I tend to think that when they say stuff like "it'll be a tough year", CB tend to have this fluff-centric way of talking, talking like its a living game where story comes first, that don’t really translate so well to the concerns of people who primarily play ITS style stuff and don't engage with the in-universe story all that much.

On that note, they have already teased the IA a tiny bit (those comments about the invinicble army being mobilised the fight the rebellion).

And Carlos also flat out said ISS is getting releases later in the year.

I actually like that CB are willing to make moves like this. Leaving a game universe static makes it stale. Acts like this make it feel like a living, breathing world.

 .Mikes. wrote:
I actually like that CB are willing to make moves like this. Leaving a game universe static makes it stale. Acts like this make it feel like a living, breathing world.

Now if only they would apply this mindset to rules. They tend to be 'one and done' unless it's a pet project like Yu Jing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:
I actually like that CB are willing to make moves like this. Leaving a game universe static makes it stale. Acts like this make it feel like a living, breathing world.

Now if only they would apply this mindset to rules. They tend to be 'one and done' unless it's a pet project like Yu Jing.

We've seen multiple major rules updates over the last few years. Its also not unheard of for units to be revised or receive new profiles out of nowhere.

Like the Janissary BS getting a tinbot

Sounds like Vedic and Varuna also "Confirmed". CB could do with the Kazak-Shasvastii box what they did with Red Veil; make the Ariadna starter the default Tartary starter ( like the Haqq starter is Ramah Task Force and the Yu Jing is the IA) but not release the Tartary sectorial yet. That would leave room for the IA sectorial and Tunguska or Ramah.

Releasing IA sooner rather than later would be a wise move in CB's part.

Gamenerdz has the book up for pre-order, $32.47. For those of you interested.

Oh boy, I am digging the Tanko design!



So damn sexy!

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:
I actually like that CB are willing to make moves like this. Leaving a game universe static makes it stale. Acts like this make it feel like a living, breathing world.

Now if only they would apply this mindset to rules. They tend to be 'one and done' unless it's a pet project like Yu Jing.

We've seen multiple major rules updates over the last few years. Its also not unheard of for units to be revised or receive new profiles out of nowhere.

So where are the updates to Bolts? Aquila Guard? Swiss Guard? How about Auxilia? PanO's been told that they have to wait for new ORC profiles that will be "Varuna exclusive" to see a flipping ORC box at this point.

You're welcome to disagree with me if you'd like, but it's worth mentioning that revisions/"new profiles" tend to be reserved for pet projects or when they get called out on it in regards to products being unable to work like they're supposed to. Druze got Fatality L1 added to their profile--that was part of a pet project. Khawarjis and Tarik got Fatality L2 added to them. Yu Jing lost a whole Sectorial and yet still the ISS is slated to get more stuff this year to 'compensate' them.
It took people pointing out that the 300 point CJC Army Pack couldn't actually be used to make a legal list for them to add the Boarding Shotgun Lt option to Mobile Brigada.


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 Vain wrote:
Oh boy, I am digging the Tanko design!



So damn sexy!

Hopefully these get a box soon. Poor Haramaki though.

 Vain wrote:
Oh boy, I am digging the Tanko design!



So damn sexy!

"I will not start a new faction, I will not start a new faction, Iwillnotstartanewfaction...." [wheeeez,wheez]

Bummer. I own the Haramaki but not the Domaru. :(

Since Carlos said that the Domaru were getting updated profiles it would be neat if the surviving Haramaki were incorperated into the Domaru. The N3 fluff already introduced the idea that they worked together, with Domaru as vets leading the less experienced Haramaki.

So this would actually give the Haramaki models a home, and if there's ML and Blitzen profiles for the Domaru that would be even better!

I'm glad to hear Yuriko still links with the Keisotsu. I was a little worried when they were listed as Core only.

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm glad to hear Yuriko still links with the Keisotsu. I was a little worried when they were listed as Core only.

Well yeah, because Keisotsu are only able to form a 'Core Link'.
SpecOps get a rule where they 'count as' the unit in question for forming a Link.

I was also thinking the Kempeitai were a notable exclusion. I forget that in both cases, the fireteam is still a Core; just a Special Core.


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Also, I really can't wait to see how StarCo works out. There are a LOT of AVA 1 models in general and quite a few in Special fireteams.

CB has already 'edited' their Yu Jing catalog page. Haramaki are no longer there. Haramaki look enough like the Domaru that they would proxy just fine.

Will Carlos/Bostria drop any bombshells at Adepticon, which is two weeks away? Something about the IA would do CB a world of wonders.