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I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.

We haven't seen the Hakims preview yet.
This is the Mormaer.


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Additionally, I come bearing prices! All prices are US MSRP, not discounted.

$42.99 for the Tanko Zensenbutai.
$33.49 for the Hakims.
$20.49 for the Prowlers repack.
$18.99 for Zoe & Pi-Well.
$13.49 for the Mormaer.
$13.49 for Gabriel de Fersen.
$12.49 for the scenery pack from the JSA box.


Thought the Tanko would be cheaper since it was only 3 models? Noooooooooooooope!
They're more expensive than many 4 model sets that I can readily find the MSRP for. Not cool CB.

Wait, Hakims are a box with one guy and two helper bots right?

For that price I am guessing 2 guys and 2 bots

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Wait, Hakims are a box with one guy and two helper bots right?

No siree. Two.


Renders from Facebook.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.

We haven't seen the Hakims preview yet.
This is the Mormaer.

That is the joke...

...buh dum tisss.


Those prices look like Kirby has found a new home at CB.

The Mormaer is looking damn fine!

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.

We haven't seen the Hakims preview yet.
This is the Mormaer.

That is the joke...

...buh dum tisss.

I know. I get the joke. There are some people who might not though, and rather than have them be confused--I wanted it to be clear that "No, this is not the Hakim. It is not mislabeled.".

Those prices look like Kirby has found a new home at CB.

Well remember, these are just the MSRP listings. You're basically guaranteed to see them get discounted by your local retailer/webstores...but that doesn't change that yeah, these are ridiculous.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.

We haven't seen the Hakims preview yet.
This is the Mormaer.

That is the joke...

...buh dum tisss.

I know. I get the joke. There are some people who might not though, and rather than have them be confused--I wanted it to be clear that "No, this is not the Hakim. It is not mislabeled.".

Those prices look like Kirby has found a new home at CB.

Well remember, these are just the MSRP listings. You're basically guaranteed to see them get discounted by your local retailer/webstores...but that doesn't change that yeah, these are ridiculous.

Funny thing is, I can get GW at my LGS at a deeper discount than most Infinity in online stores (as no LGS sells Infinity as my local meta refuses to actually support any store they play at). So it's all a wash to me. But Infinity is getting expensive, I definitely can't tell potential players it's cheap or even meaningfully cheaper than 40k.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

Funny thing is, I can get GW at my LGS at a deeper discount than most Infinity in online stores (as no LGS sells Infinity as my local meta refuses to actually support any store they play at). So it's all a wash to me. But Infinity is getting expensive, I definitely can't tell potential players it's cheap or even meaningfully cheaper than 40k.

Truthfully, we haven't been able to say that for some time. Not when you consider that people might want more than one of a certain model/profile or things like that.
Split boxing exists, yadda yadda yadda, but it's not exactly a high volume thing.

With tremendous discipline, one can say it is cheaper, because one limits purchases. But when have TTG gamers ever been able to do that? XD Then there are the terrain costs, but from what I see, GW is catching up in that department with their own line of terrain.

Regular Haqq support box is $29.99. This Hakim box is $3.50 more. We'll need to see the actual miniatures to figure out the why of it, apart from the usual "price rises over time" thing.

Tanko prices are amusing. I guess the Mushroom helmets have a lot of metal to them.

I may eventually get the Hakims, if the minis are good. I have too much to paint right now, so I am exercising that aformentioned discipline.

March releases have shipped out from The Warstore apparently. Took awhile but the weather's been a bear for NY so not a big deal.

They overnighted me my Blackjack with HMG...and boy, do we need to have words about that design CB.
My brother got himself the Dire Foes set. The Nexus Dire Foe was fantastic to build. Rosie is "meh". She got tossed into the pile of "maybe she'll get built".

The Dire Foe set, by the way, includes little postcard sized prints of the dossiers and art of the two Dire Foes.

So you like the new blackjack cut?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
So you like the new blackjack cut?

It's okay--the issue is that the ammo feed setup is frigging atrocious. The feed isn't bent properly right out of the box to allow for you to do the build--it's assuming you have flocked/based the model first and the bipod is resting on that.

Also for a brand new sculpt, there shouldn't have been some shrinkage like there is on the rollcage. So heads up to people. You likely will have to bend it to fit appropriately.

 Red Harvest wrote:


Tanko prices are amusing. I guess the Mushroom helmets have a lot of metal to them.

I don't really understand the Tanko prices. It's hard to imagine they're larger than the new De Fersen, but they cost .84 more cents each. Thats not a huge amount at all, but it does seem strange. The Domaru 4 box is only $1.36 more than the Tanko, and comes with an extra model. Maybe the Tanko really are larger than they appear? I don't think it's "things are more expensive now", since last month's Hospitaler box was only 3.81 more, but came with a 4th model.

since last month's Hospitaler box was only 3.81 more, but came with a 4th model.

... and more rocks.

Certain percentage in increase of price can originate from other concerns or projections, not just production and material costs. It's also not that unlikely scenario that certain products are sold cheaper than others.

Also increased stress on forms could be calculated in with some miniatures.

If they tear the mould faster, or are more prone to miscast, or take up too much space in the mould, then it is a reason to have a higher price.

Well unless CB takes the time to express the difficulties they had in bringing us these new miniatures and why their rising costs have had to translate to our rising costs, we can safely assume they are just arbitrarily raising prices because they know they can.

Not that CB is unique with seemingly using a dart board to decide prices.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Well unless CB takes the time to express the difficulties they had in bringing us these new miniatures and why their rising costs have had to translate to our rising costs, we can safely assume they are just arbitrarily raising prices because they know they can.

Not that CB is unique with seemingly using a dart board to decide prices.

They don't use a dart board!


They use a mouse, cheese, and a labyrinth. It's all very strange...

The number of individual parts per mini is a big factor in price, IIRC what Palanka (?) mentioned years ago. It is the most labor intensive part of the process, sorting the bits and packing them.

 Red Harvest wrote:
The number of individual parts per mini is a big factor in price, IIRC what Palanka (?) mentioned years ago. It is the most labor intensive part of the process, sorting the bits and packing them.

Shame they don't clean the mold lines or gates off or check the fits before sending them out.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
If they tear the mould faster, or are more prone to miscast, or take up too much space in the mould, then it is a reason to have a higher price.

I don't disagree, but are there any actual examples of this? I don't remember Exrah being mysteriously more expensive.

Kanluwen wrote:They use a mouse, cheese, and a labyrinth. It's all very strange...

... to prove their mousy worth, they'll overthrown the world.

jake wrote:I don't disagree, but are there any actual examples of this? I don't remember Exrah being mysteriously more expensive.

I'd like to inquire why you're designing a tool that has short life expectancy or high frequency of maintenance in the first place. As was stated by BrotherGecko, unless the calculations behind it are explained it'll be hard to estimate the origin of price increase.

Well gw never raised prices for profits. They always do it because their costs, costs of materials etc are going up. Same with any other business, they are not here to make more money but because of us. So don't even start to think that cb are raising prices for profits, or because they can xD

 Knight wrote:

jake wrote:I don't disagree, but are there any actual examples of this? I don't remember Exrah being mysteriously more expensive.

I'd like to inquire why you're designing a tool that has short life expectancy or high frequency of maintenance in the first place. As was stated by BrotherGecko, unless the calculations behind it are explained it'll be hard to estimate the origin of price increase.

Well yeah, we can never know for sure. But we can look at other similar cases and try to draw reasonable conclusions. And then we can consider those conclusions. For example:

- Were other models that we know were rough on molds *the Exrah are the only ones I think we know this about for sure) more expensive than similar models?

- Are these models more expensive than other similar models?

- Is there actually a consistency in pricing across the range, or are model prices all over the place and this release only stands out because its an unusual three model box?

I don't know the answer to any of these questions off the top of my head, but it is something I'm curious about since the Tanko box does SEEM like it steps away from CBs normal pricing. Maybe someone here does know the answers?

The only reason one can create models that are aggressive to the mold is, design and aesthetics, one known offender are Karakuri, even after the redesign they still tear apart the mold because of their cavities, but the design and negative space is what makes them what they are, filling it up to make the models more mould friendly would ruin the aesthetics.

Part of the reason Exrahs were not kept is that their continuous mold destruction made them unprofitable to keep casting and mold is an expensive part of the model creation, also how much space the model takes in the mold, outside casting (it has more variables how much time it needs for the metal to cure ectr) indeed the costs are for metal in the models (more metal means also more expensive to ship) and parts, I think parts, is the biggest factor in prising outside mold space and wear.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
The only reason one can create models that are aggressive to the mold is, design and aesthetics, one known offender are Karakuri, even after the redesign they still tear apart the mold because of their cavities, but the design and negative space is what makes them what they are, filling it up to make the models more mould friendly would ruin the aesthetics.

And yet, they decide not to update them, on top of already looking outdated.

Oh well, I guessed that extra parts raised price of Mushroom guys, but seems you get nothing extra. Well, in a year or two we might expect to pay same ammount for 2man box

Even if they update them again, I doubt they will fill in the voids to reduce the tear and wear, it is what makes their design interesting and unique.

The new model cutting techniques could improve the wear and tear, but not by much.

De Fersen looks much better painted.