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Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

 Kirasu wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Magical bows? What the hell. This is 40k not WFB in space.

That's exactly what 40k was lol, have we got any other details about the gors on discs yet?

Yeah if you only remember original 40k. Game has moved in the last 25 years.

It hasn't really moved on that much in all fairness, the lore has got a lot more depth, some things have been removed, some thing have been added, it's been tidied up a bit too, but on the whole it's still that Fantasy in space setting, bows are not even the craziest of it, look at harlequins without the 40k goggles on, they are bloody space elf clowns

Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

The newest Inquisition model released last year has a crossbow that shoots magical stakes.

The bows are fine.

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Seeing daemons don't have weapons in the normal sense anyway rifle is just as stupid. It's essence of warp manifested in whatever shape daemon wish. Bloodletters aren't actually swinging with physical steel sword either but pure warp. And the tzeentch ones aren't actually firing steel(or any physical metal) arrows either.

tneva82 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Seeing daemons don't have weapons in the normal sense anyway rifle is just as stupid. It's essence of warp manifested in whatever shape daemon wish. Bloodletters aren't actually swinging with physical steel sword either but pure warp. And the tzeentch ones aren't actually firing steel(or any physical metal) arrows either.

Erm, tzaangors aren't daemons, they have to use real weapons like everyone else. The bows are certainly enhanced with runes like the inferno bolters and such are, of course.

Should have called them chain bows and power bows and nemesis bows. Then they'd fit right in!

Don't Eldar have a relic that's a bow?

2 screen shots top left corner.

21 strats at least!!!

Cultists have an invul save at the top of the 1st turn prior to any spells?

Lore explanation on why TS have Helbrutes.

Interesting statement 21 mins in "both armies are aggressive close combat armies"

Still have another 40 mins to get through ill do it tomorrow some time.

the_scotsman wrote:

 nintura wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Brian888 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'm betting it's infantry only. Likely a direct clone of Veil of Darkness.

It would be neat to use this in conjunction with the Chapter Tactic that lets you Deepstrike in. You can either have two large units plop down somewhere and cause havoc. Or, one unit teleport in, wreck face, then teleport out before they get bogged down.

A Daemon Prince teleported along with the infantry, and a DP is not itself infantry.

no but the necron one is "the caster and 1 infantry unit" so assuming it's the same then yeah a deamon prince and a squad of rubrics teleporting would be workable

how many points is the necron artifact? sucks its a relic though...

....the necron one is a relic too. They got it in CA if I'm not wrong.

Yep, the VoD is now a relic rather than a piece of wargear. Its also one use only unlike its eariler incarnations where you can use it whenever you want.
Which is a fair trade off, I guess. It's one use, but its free.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

Eh, idk, a big fancy jezzail thing like the transuranic arquebus might look cool on them.
Bows are fine though. I don't have any problem with them. Its chaos, its meant to look weird. If you expect to find hard science in a faction that runs on space magic, you've come to the wrong faction and setting.
If it were something like necrons or tau, yeah, it would be silly. But chaos? Its understandable.

Audustum wrote:
Don't Eldar have a relic that's a bow?

No, Kurnous Bow is a relic Shuriken Pistol.

Chaos sorcery is responsible for a lot crazier things than bows that can kill a man in power armor.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 nintura wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Brian888 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I'm betting it's infantry only. Likely a direct clone of Veil of Darkness.

It would be neat to use this in conjunction with the Chapter Tactic that lets you Deepstrike in. You can either have two large units plop down somewhere and cause havoc. Or, one unit teleport in, wreck face, then teleport out before they get bogged down.

A Daemon Prince teleported along with the infantry, and a DP is not itself infantry.

no but the necron one is "the caster and 1 infantry unit" so assuming it's the same then yeah a deamon prince and a squad of rubrics teleporting would be workable

how many points is the necron artifact? sucks its a relic though...

....the necron one is a relic too. They got it in CA if I'm not wrong.

Yep, the VoD is now a relic rather than a piece of wargear. Its also one use only unlike its eariler incarnations where you can use it whenever you want.
Which is a fair trade off, I guess. It's one use, but its free.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

Eh, idk, a big fancy jezzail thing like the transuranic arquebus might look cool on them.
Bows are fine though. I don't have any problem with them. Its chaos, its meant to look weird. If you expect to find hard science in a faction that runs on space magic, you've come to the wrong faction and setting.
If it were something like necrons or tau, yeah, it would be silly. But chaos? Its understandable.

That...

is actually a really cool idea. I think I have four of those Jezzails and a transuranic arquebus or two lying around...

I do wish they had come up with a rifle sprue for the disc Tzaangors. It could have potentially given the army a unique mobile sniper platform and snipers are cool again in 8th edition.

But I like the bows. I wonder if I can take chainswords and pistols and make some flying cc guys?

Edit:
And I wonder if they'll give the regular Tzaangors rules for the cool double handed sword in their box. I'd love an excuse to make one of those!

Apparently they have 3 weapon options and the bow is one of them, but I don't really know. Maybe there's a hidden rifle sprue and GW is keeping it a surprise or something, idk.

But anyway, if you really want them to have rifles there's nothing to stop you from converting them. Conversions are a part of the game, after all.
If Tzeentch can make homing magical arrows he can make homing magical bullets.

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

See? I say this over in the other thread and get mounds of salt and nasty replies. Then I get a warning for flaming.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

This is the only good thing about the whole codex. At least now I can start an AoS army at the same time.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

Those same people are also running around with miniaturized rockets for bullets, lascannons capable of cutting through a foot of metal. force fields, and nuclear weaponry.

 godswildcard wrote:
I do wish they had come up with a rifle sprue for the disc Tzaangors. It could have potentially given the army a unique mobile sniper platform and snipers are cool again in 8th edition.

But I like the bows. I wonder if I can take chainswords and pistols and make some flying cc guys?

Edit:
And I wonder if they'll give the regular Tzaangors rules for the cool double handed sword in their box. I'd love an excuse to make one of those!

The Tzaangor Enlightened is a dual kit and comes with an option for Tzeentchian Spears as well.

Not sure how giving you the option to use a model or not is a "cash grab". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Leave it's magical bow having booty in the store.

 nintura wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

See? I say this over in the other thread and get mounds of salt and nasty replies. Then I get a warning for flaming.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

This is the only good thing about the whole codex. At least now I can start an AoS army at the same time.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

Those same people are also running around with miniaturized rockets for bullets, lascannons capable of cutting through a foot of metal. force fields, and nuclear weaponry.

You instigated those "nasty replies" nintura, you started insulting people who didn't agree with you, so the flame warning was deserved.

Nintura, do you have codex leaks then? if so, by all means share them! how do you know that being able to start an AOS army is the only good thing in the codex when all we have is a few hints and vague details from a single battle report?

 godswildcard wrote:

But I like the bows. I wonder if I can take chainswords and pistols and make some flying cc guys?

When assembled, the disks are basically an elevated 40mm base, so you could use them for pretty much anything up to terminator size. A lot of people bought and Enlightened kit and assemble them on-foot just so they to use the spare disks for other models. It's a pretty good kit.

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

See? I say this over in the other thread and get mounds of salt and nasty replies. Then I get a warning for flaming.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

This is the only good thing about the whole codex. At least now I can start an AoS army at the same time.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

Those same people are also running around with miniaturized rockets for bullets, lascannons capable of cutting through a foot of metal. force fields, and nuclear weaponry.

You instigated those "nasty replies" nintura, you started insulting people who didn't agree with you, so the flame warning was deserved.

I threw out no insults directed at anyone thank you.


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 Ghaz wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I do wish they had come up with a rifle sprue for the disc Tzaangors. It could have potentially given the army a unique mobile sniper platform and snipers are cool again in 8th edition.

But I like the bows. I wonder if I can take chainswords and pistols and make some flying cc guys?

Edit:
And I wonder if they'll give the regular Tzaangors rules for the cool double handed sword in their box. I'd love an excuse to make one of those!

The Tzaangor Enlightened is a dual kit and comes with an option for Tzeentchian Spears as well.

Spoiler:

Those are actually quite cool looking.


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the_scotsman wrote:
Nintura, do you have codex leaks then? if so, by all means share them! how do you know that being able to start an AOS army is the only good thing in the codex when all we have is a few hints and vague details from a single battle report?

Did I say the only good thing in the codex? I dont believe I did. I was referring to them having bows and no known upgrade sprue (which now we know can have spears). That to me, in my opinion, the only good thing about that is now I can start an AoS army too. Stop putting words in my mouth please.

If the second part of our warlord trait is an invulnerable save To units with none or a +1 to those we have that would be pretty big if it’s a 5++ to those with none, makes helbrutes more viable. If it’s just a 6++ eh it’s not really gonna make a difference on our units

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

See? I say this over in the other thread and get mounds of salt and nasty replies. Then I get a warning for flaming.


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Daedalus81 wrote:

Nvs wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Nobody bats an eye when space weapons are so inefficient that literally every army is bashing each other with .medieval swords but one magic daemon bow and suddenly omg so unrealistic where did the sci-fi go?

They went out of their way to make a chainsword and pistol sprue for the Tzaangors, they could have done the same with the bows and converted them to rifles or something. It's just a lazy money grab.

Or they threw a bone to the AoS players to port their models over at no cost. All depends how you want to look at things. And to be honest - rifles would look stupid on those models, so...

This is the only good thing about the whole codex. At least now I can start an AoS army at the same time.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

Those same people are also running around with miniaturized rockets for bullets, lascannons capable of cutting through a foot of metal. force fields, and nuclear weaponry.

You instigated those "nasty replies" nintura, you started insulting people who didn't agree with you, so the flame warning was deserved.

I threw out no insults directed at anyone thank you.


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 Ghaz wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
I do wish they had come up with a rifle sprue for the disc Tzaangors. It could have potentially given the army a unique mobile sniper platform and snipers are cool again in 8th edition.

But I like the bows. I wonder if I can take chainswords and pistols and make some flying cc guys?

Edit:
And I wonder if they'll give the regular Tzaangors rules for the cool double handed sword in their box. I'd love an excuse to make one of those!

The Tzaangor Enlightened is a dual kit and comes with an option for Tzeentchian Spears as well.

Spoiler:

Those are actually quite cool looking.


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the_scotsman wrote:
Nintura, do you have codex leaks then? if so, by all means share them! how do you know that being able to start an AOS army is the only good thing in the codex when all we have is a few hints and vague details from a single battle report?

Did I say the only good thing in the codex? I dont believe I did. I was referring to them having bows and no known upgrade sprue (which now we know can have spears). That to me, in my opinion, the only good thing about that is now I can start an AoS army too. Stop putting words in my mouth please.

You threw out several direct insults, your warning was deserved.

Do you have any reading comp at all? (Directly trying to belittle this person and insult there intelligence)

jesus. You're dense. (speaks for itself)

Then you're in the wrong fething thread mate.... did you read the title or not? (low key, but not needed)

That right there wins the internet for the stupidest comment. (again trying to belittle someone and insult there intelligence)

 Formosa wrote:




That right there wins the internet for the stupidest comment. (again trying to belittle someone and insult there intelligence)

Their*

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:




That right there wins the internet for the stupidest comment. (again trying to belittle someone and insult there intelligence)

Their*

Thank you for proving my point

 Formosa wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:




That right there wins the internet for the stupidest comment. (again trying to belittle someone and insult there intelligence)

Their*

Thank you for proving my point

That's not an insult to correct someone in the hopes they will learn something new.... and the fact that you try to act all superior is made all the better because you don't know the difference in the common English words.

 nintura wrote:


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 ImAGeek wrote:
Everyone’s running round with swords, axes, maces etc but bows are too medieval?

Those same people are also running around with miniaturized rockets for bullets, lascannons capable of cutting through a foot of metal. force fields, and nuclear weaponry.

So whats your point? 40K is a Science-Fantasy setting where people runnign around with swords and bows happens at the same time as guys lugging lascannons and missile launchers, and a Tzeentch aligned force like the Thousand Sons is going to have more of the warp trickery going on than most others.

Jesus christ can we contain the pointless whining about space weaponry to the general discussion thread and keep this one about rumors?

 nintura wrote:

 Formosa wrote:




That right there wins the internet for the stupidest comment. (again trying to belittle someone and insult there intelligence)

Their*

Boom! Roasted!