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Still confused on a few points about Overwatch in 8th edition. A similar post on Facebook made me think this would be a good topic for YMDC.

Help me understand if the following items are correct.

1) A unit can charge other units even if it does not have line of sight. The only requirement is a 12 inch distance.

2) A unit being charged cannot fire Overwatch attacks if it doesn't have line of sight, unless that's part of the weapon profile. For example, quad mortars.

3) Infantry units can charge through walls and ruins without impediment.

4) A character with 10 wounds or less can only be targeted by Overwatch attacks when charging if it is the closest visible enemy unit, since Overwatch follows the normal rules for shooting.

1) yes

2) yes, additionally if the attacked is out of range you can not over watch, IE if your have an 8" flamer and they are 9" away you cant hit them

3) yes, 8th edition ladies and gentlemen

4)no, if a character charges a unit, it does not matter if there is a unit closer to the over watching unit, and number of starting wounds does not matter. If I have a unit that is getting charge by a character, but between the character and the unit being charged is another unit, I can still over watch the character charging me so long story the unit being charged is not already in combat. Targeting rules of characters is only applied in the shooting phase, not over watch.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Still confused on a few points about Overwatch in 8th edition. A similar post on Facebook made me think this would be a good topic for YMDC.

Help me understand if the following items are correct.

1) A unit can charge other units even if it does not have line of sight. The only requirement is a 12 inch distance.

2) A unit being charged cannot fire Overwatch attacks if it doesn't have line of sight, unless that's part of the weapon profile. For example, quad mortars.

3) Infantry units can charge through walls and ruins without impediment.

4) A character with 10 wounds or less can only be targeted by Overwatch attacks when charging if it is the closest visible enemy unit, since Overwatch follows the normal rules for shooting.

#4 is answered in the Stepping Into a New Edition document.

 Ghaz wrote:

#4 is answered in the Stepping Into a New Edition document.

#4 is something that Chapter Approved messed up, the rule in the book is not limited to the shooting phase, that had to be fixed in the errata.

 Uther wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

#4 is answered in the Stepping Into a New Edition document.

#4 is something that Chapter Approved messed up, the rule in the book is not limited to the shooting phase, that had to be fixed in the errata.

Yeah, but either way the long and shot of it is, if a character charges you and you are not in combat, and in range with your weapons, and they are visible, you can over watch them even if they are not the closest enemy model regardless of wounds.

 Uther wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

#4 is answered in the Stepping Into a New Edition document.

#4 is something that Chapter Approved messed up, the rule in the book is not limited to the shooting phase, that had to be fixed in the errata.

Does it? I see nothing in the Overwatch about 'targeting' the unit that is charging, just the 'target unit' (i.e., the unit being charged).

 Ghaz wrote:

 Uther wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

#4 is answered in the Stepping Into a New Edition document.

#4 is something that Chapter Approved messed up, the rule in the book is not limited to the shooting phase, that had to be fixed in the errata.

Does it? I see nothing in the Overwatch about 'targeting' the unit that is charging, just the 'target unit' (i.e., the unit being charged).

The original rules explicitly stated that the character rule only applied in the shooting phase, Chapter Approved's new version of the rule for Matched Play dropped that clarification, the errata then added it back it.

And the original could have been seen as just worded that way for clarity, not that Overwatch actually targets anything.

Yeah, GW basiclly forgetting their own rules. Like I said end of the day as long as you can see and are in range of what's charging you, and not in combat you can shoot it with over watch. End of story.

 Ghaz wrote:
And the original could have been seen as just worded that way for clarity, not that Overwatch actually targets anything.

The overwatch rule says it is resolved like a normal shooting attack, with some specific exceptions. Therefore targeting applies as a normal shooting attack.

Stux wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
And the original could have been seen as just worded that way for clarity, not that Overwatch actually targets anything.

The overwatch rule says it is resolved like a normal shooting attack, with some specific exceptions. Therefore targeting applies as a normal shooting attack.

So I can choose any unit in range then? Sorry, but choosing a target is one of the exceptions as you're restricted to firing at the unit charging you.

Stux wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
And the original could have been seen as just worded that way for clarity, not that Overwatch actually targets anything.

The overwatch rule says it is resolved like a normal shooting attack, with some specific exceptions. Therefore targeting applies as a normal shooting attack.

Except the targeting of characters. You can shoot a charging character despite it not being the closest target.

WARHAMMER 40,000
RULEBOOK
Official Update Version 1.1
Page 2, Under FAQ, Column 2, Second to last entry.

Q: Can a unit fire Overwatch at a Character if, when it
declares its charge at them, there are other visible enemy models
that are closer?
A: Yes.

Stux wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
And the original could have been seen as just worded that way for clarity, not that Overwatch actually targets anything.

The overwatch rule says it is resolved like a normal shooting attack, with some specific exceptions. Therefore targeting applies as a normal shooting attack.

Except that Overwatch tells you to just shoot at a specific unit. You're not choosing a target, which is what might prevent you from shooting a Character. But during Overwatch steps 1 and 2 of the shooting sequence are obviously not your doing - basically your opponent performed both steps for you by declaring the charge.

 deviantduck wrote:
WARHAMMER 40,000
RULEBOOK
Official Update Version 1.1
Page 2, Under FAQ, Column 2, Second to last entry.

Q: Can a unit fire Overwatch at a Character if, when it
declares its charge at them, there are other visible enemy models
that are closer?
A: Yes.

This. It's not even arguable.

Nm