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I'm with Amishprn86, some better terrian rules, although given the limits of a D6 system it'll be tricky

 lolman1c wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I miss vehicle facings/armor values. Vehicles were horribly flawed in 7th, but it was a good idea with poor execution.


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 lolman1c wrote:
The ability to use what ever troop I want and still have a good army that can at least compete vs other armies.

This sounds boring. If every army is equal, games becomes more and more random. Might as well go play Hearthstone.

this is the problem with the community! They lost the whole orginal purpose of these kind of games... it isn't just to fight each other! It's to create an adventure with randomness involved! Your own worlds and stories! It's like someone playing D&D (which 40k (even to this day) was obviously inspired by). You basically all start out with a simple class but you use your imagination and build on from that! You don't play D&D to be a competitive winner all the time! Love how you directly go to hearthstone and skip D&D which (while being very random) has some of the best fun there is! This is what I want from 8th ed 40k! Epic army wide role playing campaign games but i'm limited to players in my area using unpainted broken OP lists just to get a slight high from winning a game every Thursday!

One day I hope to play one of these 40k role playing games that so many people talk about so fondly... a combination of D&D and 40k to create a beautiful afternoon.

Except the issue with that is that 40k is a COMPETITIVE game. It's a head-to-head battle between two or more armies, whereas D&D is a cooperative game.

HuskyWarhammer wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
The ability to use what ever troop I want and still have a good army that can at least compete vs other armies.

This sounds boring. If every army is equal, games becomes more and more random. Might as well go play Hearthstone.

I don't understand, how does grots being viable necessarily lead to every army being the same?

craftworld_uk wrote:
Aeldari...



... on dinosaurs.

Yes to the Exodites!

Plus if GW feels lazy, they got plenty of great dino sculpts that just need a minor sci-fi retooling on the stuff they carry, as well as replacing the skinks with space wood elves.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I miss vehicle facings/armor values. Vehicles were horribly flawed in 7th, but it was a good idea with poor execution.


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 lolman1c wrote:
The ability to use what ever troop I want and still have a good army that can at least compete vs other armies.

This sounds boring. If every army is equal, games becomes more and more random. Might as well go play Hearthstone.

this is the problem with the community! They lost the whole orginal purpose of these kind of games... it isn't just to fight each other! It's to create an adventure with randomness involved! Your own worlds and stories! It's like someone playing D&D (which 40k (even to this day) was obviously inspired by). You basically all start out with a simple class but you use your imagination and build on from that! You don't play D&D to be a competitive winner all the time! Love how you directly go to hearthstone and skip D&D which (while being very random) has some of the best fun there is! This is what I want from 8th ed 40k! Epic army wide role playing campaign games but i'm limited to players in my area using unpainted broken OP lists just to get a slight high from winning a game every Thursday!

One day I hope to play one of these 40k role playing games that so many people talk about so fondly... a combination of D&D and 40k to create a beautiful afternoon.

Except the issue with that is that 40k is a COMPETITIVE game. It's a head-to-head battle between two or more armies, whereas D&D is a cooperative game.

Just because you're facing off against another player doesn't mean it has to be a competition. It can be scenario driven or narrative driven. One player can try to escape a city against an overwhelming force for example. You know, things you can do for fun with a friend. If you're playing for competition, you're in the wrong game since half the time the list wins the game. You'd have better luck with Chess.

Dandelion wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I miss vehicle facings/armor values. Vehicles were horribly flawed in 7th, but it was a good idea with poor execution.


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 lolman1c wrote:
The ability to use what ever troop I want and still have a good army that can at least compete vs other armies.

This sounds boring. If every army is equal, games becomes more and more random. Might as well go play Hearthstone.

this is the problem with the community! They lost the whole orginal purpose of these kind of games... it isn't just to fight each other! It's to create an adventure with randomness involved! Your own worlds and stories! It's like someone playing D&D (which 40k (even to this day) was obviously inspired by). You basically all start out with a simple class but you use your imagination and build on from that! You don't play D&D to be a competitive winner all the time! Love how you directly go to hearthstone and skip D&D which (while being very random) has some of the best fun there is! This is what I want from 8th ed 40k! Epic army wide role playing campaign games but i'm limited to players in my area using unpainted broken OP lists just to get a slight high from winning a game every Thursday!

One day I hope to play one of these 40k role playing games that so many people talk about so fondly... a combination of D&D and 40k to create a beautiful afternoon.

Except the issue with that is that 40k is a COMPETITIVE game. It's a head-to-head battle between two or more armies, whereas D&D is a cooperative game.

Just because you're facing off against another player doesn't mean it has to be a competition. It can be scenario driven or narrative driven. One player can try to escape a city against an overwhelming force for example. You know, things you can do for fun with a friend. If you're playing for competition, you're in the wrong game since half the time the list wins the game. You'd have better luck with Chess.

Playing a game, 1 v 1 to see who the winner is can easily be seen as competitive.

More terrain rules, definitely.

Optional rules, starting with rules for facing.

Eldar aspects redone as plastic dual kits.

More weapon options for necrons. With Rending essentially gone, I wouldn't mind seeing some heavy weapons being created for troops.

terrain rules, vehicles...and probably MC getting back facings and drawing los from the guns.

Updated guard models that include both female and male body sections. Don't even have to be anything fancy just the Infantry and I'll be happy. They could probably get in another few hundred dollars out of me at least from that.

I'd like people to stop trying break / bend the game and play it for the narrative / story telling game it is

Free Slurpy's and food trucks will fix anything.

Dandelion wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I miss vehicle facings/armor values. Vehicles were horribly flawed in 7th, but it was a good idea with poor execution.


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 lolman1c wrote:
The ability to use what ever troop I want and still have a good army that can at least compete vs other armies.

This sounds boring. If every army is equal, games becomes more and more random. Might as well go play Hearthstone.

this is the problem with the community! They lost the whole orginal purpose of these kind of games... it isn't just to fight each other! It's to create an adventure with randomness involved! Your own worlds and stories! It's like someone playing D&D (which 40k (even to this day) was obviously inspired by). You basically all start out with a simple class but you use your imagination and build on from that! You don't play D&D to be a competitive winner all the time! Love how you directly go to hearthstone and skip D&D which (while being very random) has some of the best fun there is! This is what I want from 8th ed 40k! Epic army wide role playing campaign games but i'm limited to players in my area using unpainted broken OP lists just to get a slight high from winning a game every Thursday!

One day I hope to play one of these 40k role playing games that so many people talk about so fondly... a combination of D&D and 40k to create a beautiful afternoon.

Except the issue with that is that 40k is a COMPETITIVE game. It's a head-to-head battle between two or more armies, whereas D&D is a cooperative game.

Just because you're facing off against another player doesn't mean it has to be a competition. It can be scenario driven or narrative driven. One player can try to escape a city against an overwhelming force for example. You know, things you can do for fun with a friend. If you're playing for competition, you're in the wrong game since half the time the list wins the game. You'd have better luck with Chess.

I'm currently working through a campaign like this with a friend and, win or lose, they're the most fun I've had with a game for a long time.

On topic; alternate/ advanced terrain rules, including a cover system that isn't entirely negated by weapons with high AP.

Vehicle facings for weapons and armour (even if it was as simple as front and rear)

Jimperial wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I miss vehicle facings/armor values. Vehicles were horribly flawed in 7th, but it was a good idea with poor execution.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 lolman1c wrote:
The ability to use what ever troop I want and still have a good army that can at least compete vs other armies.

This sounds boring. If every army is equal, games becomes more and more random. Might as well go play Hearthstone.

this is the problem with the community! They lost the whole orginal purpose of these kind of games... it isn't just to fight each other! It's to create an adventure with randomness involved! Your own worlds and stories! It's like someone playing D&D (which 40k (even to this day) was obviously inspired by). You basically all start out with a simple class but you use your imagination and build on from that! You don't play D&D to be a competitive winner all the time! Love how you directly go to hearthstone and skip D&D which (while being very random) has some of the best fun there is! This is what I want from 8th ed 40k! Epic army wide role playing campaign games but i'm limited to players in my area using unpainted broken OP lists just to get a slight high from winning a game every Thursday!

One day I hope to play one of these 40k role playing games that so many people talk about so fondly... a combination of D&D and 40k to create a beautiful afternoon.

Except the issue with that is that 40k is a COMPETITIVE game. It's a head-to-head battle between two or more armies, whereas D&D is a cooperative game.

Just because you're facing off against another player doesn't mean it has to be a competition. It can be scenario driven or narrative driven. One player can try to escape a city against an overwhelming force for example. You know, things you can do for fun with a friend. If you're playing for competition, you're in the wrong game since half the time the list wins the game. You'd have better luck with Chess.

I'm currently working through a campaign like this with a friend and, win or lose, they're the most fun I've had with a game for a long time.

On topic; alternate/ advanced terrain rules, including a cover system that isn't entirely negated by weapons with high AP.

Vehicle facings for weapons and armour (even if it was as simple as front and rear)

this campaign based mentality is one I've seen in plenty of other games too. Battletech definatly has a compeitive scene. but by and large the online community is more concerned with narritive then "tourny play" for example

Des702 wrote:
Updated guard models that include both female and male body sections. Don't even have to be anything fancy just the Infantry and I'll be happy. They could probably get in another few hundred dollars out of me at least from that.

Nah these no point in upgrading guards bodies like that as the uniform and flak armor are a one size fits all, plus with how their gear looks you can't tell whose male or female when the heads covered, in order to make the cannon fodder look female you either have to make the whole uniform tighter and give the flak armor boob plates and no ones gonna waste time and resources on that for expendable lives.
But with that said I'd like to see a upgrade spruce with 15 female heads, 5 normal, 5 with berets, 5 with cybernetics.
More dark eldar characters.
Better line of sight and cover, if you see the tip of a raider aether sail just poking a little above a building it shouldn't mean you can 'see' it.
up Guillimans power and points costs.
update all metal and resin models into plastic.
Slap blood angels, dark angels and space wolfs into one codex.
Slap Greyknights, deathwatch, Inquisition and sisters together.
Add eldar exodites and slap them togther with harlquins and Yanarii.
give admech a skitarii aplha hq, give them transports.
Tell space marines to f**k off and make new box sets of other imperial armies fighting xenos or xenos v xenos or xenos v chaos.

Better terrain rules for sure. A D10 system, its unfair that a gun with S8 has the same of chance wounding a T7 target as a S9-13 gun. Instant death, a T3 model should not survive a hit from a S16 gun.

 p5freak wrote:
Better terrain rules for sure. A D10 system, its unfair that a gun with S8 has the same of chance wounding a T7 target as a S9-13 gun. Instant death, a T3 model should not survive a hit from a S16 gun.

In my head, the 1 or 0 damage from a S16 gun is more like the shot hit nearby and shrapnel hits the model but they live. Not every hit always involves a 6 inch diameter shell to the chest, and you can't really do much else with a 1 wound character. No half-wounds.

I agree with a lot of the other posters - better terrain rules would be nice. I hope they make some expansion codexes that give some fixed rules for the existing fortifications and expand the terrain rules. I'd like to see vehicle facings come back too.

I'm somewhat doubting they will do this though as I think more complex terrain rules would raise the barrier for new players and the success of 8th will probably cement that idea. Suits in a business room will say "No, we don't want to expand to more complicated rules. The success of 8th is due to our simpler rules and community engagement."

It's kind of the opposite of how movies that flop won't see sequels as the board room says "people aren't interested in this IP anymore", when in reality, they aren't interested in garbage versions of that IP.

Dandelion wrote:
First off, I disagree with adding more subfaction codexes. They need to be trimmed down already.

Inquisition codex: with storm troopers, grey knights, deathwatch and SoB all in the same book. Assassins too.

More Kroot units, so that they can work as a standalone army.

IG storm trooper variants (e.g. Kasrkin) and rough rider variants (e.g. Hussars).

You seem to have missed out Flanderised marines - you know the red, green and WOLFY WOLF ones. Or are they still those special snowflakes that need a codex each?

New Imperial Guard Regiment with actual models,
Sisters with models.

Get rid of he awful no model no rules

More BL characters as models

Adjust the LOS rules so that terrain blocks LOS through it - that's what we play.

Campaigns like Shield of Baal.

Id lie a codex for renegade chapters to be honest. Especially mono god renegade armies. The current love in csm is OK but rather lacking if im honest.

 AaronWilson wrote:
I'd like people to stop trying break / bend the game and play it for the narrative / story telling game it is

Well said.

 BlackLobster wrote:

 AaronWilson wrote:
I'd like people to stop trying break / bend the game and play it for the narrative / story telling game it is

Well said.

Got it-my style of play is badwrongfun and I should feel horrible for daring to have a different opinion. /s

Yes, you can play this narratively, but the system is set up as a head-to-head competition. I don't NEED to win to have fun or anything like that, but my focus is on the game. Is that wrong?

 JNAProductions wrote:

 BlackLobster wrote:

 AaronWilson wrote:
I'd like people to stop trying break / bend the game and play it for the narrative / story telling game it is

Well said.

Got it-my style of play is badwrongfun and I should feel horrible for daring to have a different opinion. /s

Yes, you can play this narratively, but the system is set up as a head-to-head competition. I don't NEED to win to have fun or anything like that, but my focus is on the game. Is that wrong?

It's not wrong. There are lots of ways of enjoying the game. My personal point of view is that 8th edition fits casual player better than it does competitive.

All the seventh ed. rules!

I'd like to see a unique unit for each of the codex marines (Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Raven Guard, etc). Give someone aside from the Smurfs some love!

The real GK codex. The one in print now is obviously just for GW employees to get a laugh at all of the GK players' faces.

 AaronWilson wrote:
I'd like people to stop trying break / bend the game and play it for the narrative / story telling game it is

Is that what it is?
Large competitive events say otherwise.
Can we play the way we want, if that's ok with you?
Other companies manage to make balanced systems...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Codex: Black Templars. Either that or just squat us at this point so I can finally stop suffering.

Why do you need a whole codex telling you that you can take Scouts in Tactical Squads and no Librarians?

Terrain rules that matter.
Facings.
Positioning.
Removal of turn 1 abundance alpha striikes.

Darsath wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
I miss vehicle facings/armor values. Vehicles were horribly flawed in 7th, but it was a good idea with poor execution.


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 lolman1c wrote:
The ability to use what ever troop I want and still have a good army that can at least compete vs other armies.

This sounds boring. If every army is equal, games becomes more and more random. Might as well go play Hearthstone.

this is the problem with the community! They lost the whole orginal purpose of these kind of games... it isn't just to fight each other! It's to create an adventure with randomness involved! Your own worlds and stories! It's like someone playing D&D (which 40k (even to this day) was obviously inspired by). You basically all start out with a simple class but you use your imagination and build on from that! You don't play D&D to be a competitive winner all the time! Love how you directly go to hearthstone and skip D&D which (while being very random) has some of the best fun there is! This is what I want from 8th ed 40k! Epic army wide role playing campaign games but i'm limited to players in my area using unpainted broken OP lists just to get a slight high from winning a game every Thursday!

One day I hope to play one of these 40k role playing games that so many people talk about so fondly... a combination of D&D and 40k to create a beautiful afternoon.

Except the issue with that is that 40k is a COMPETITIVE game. It's a head-to-head battle between two or more armies, whereas D&D is a cooperative game.

Just because you're facing off against another player doesn't mean it has to be a competition. It can be scenario driven or narrative driven. One player can try to escape a city against an overwhelming force for example. You know, things you can do for fun with a friend. If you're playing for competition, you're in the wrong game since half the time the list wins the game. You'd have better luck with Chess.

Playing a game, 1 v 1 to see who the winner is can easily be seen as competitive.

When I play basketball it's to have fun. I couldn't care less if I win or lose. It's just an attitude/perspective thing. Most 40K games really shouldn't feel competitive. They should just be fun. The fact that there's a game mode where you bring "all the models in your collection" regardless of points means that it's not meant to be competitive.

You seem to have missed out Flanderised marines - you know the red, green and WOLFY WOLF ones. Or are they still those special snowflakes that need a codex each?

No, they should get rolled back into Codex Marines. They're the ones that need trimming.

Im in the revised terrain rules.

its pretty meh.

everything else is pretty much fine with a hand full of exceptions (basically anything being spammed because too good/ broken/ abusable/ extremely points efficient)

 JNAProductions wrote:

 BlackLobster wrote:

 AaronWilson wrote:
I'd like people to stop trying break / bend the game and play it for the narrative / story telling game it is

Well said.

Got it-my style of play is badwrongfun and I should feel horrible for daring to have a different opinion. /s

Yes, you can play this narratively, but the system is set up as a head-to-head competition. I don't NEED to win to have fun or anything like that, but my focus is on the game. Is that wrong?

Fun is fun. If you have fun with competitive games then all the power to you. But, it should be noted that 40k is not balanced enough to allow true competition between players. In fact, narrative games assume an imbalance of forces, which is actually what happens in war. You should give scenario driven games a try if you haven't already.