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I play Tau and not the Tau you seen pop up recently but since their inception. Live the models love the mechanic's and love the asthetic. But I find they are all but unplayable this edition.

Commander spam is not my thing I truly like to Field as many different units as possible just cause I enjoy them all. My question is will they be brought back up to their glory days or left I the dust.


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Tyranids are a perfect example of what I'd like from them. Al.os all units are viable if not really good.

I'd like their shooting miles better and the markerlight system reworked

Lol maybe scares me

To be honest I would love to kroot to have a place. Right now they don't work as anything, really. For screen you have kroot hound that are cheaper and actually offer a tactical use for the army. People use kroots because official GW kroot hounds are resin and extremely expensive for the amount of points you are receiving in return.
But the normal Kroots? Is just that they don't have a place. They don't shoot, they don't meele, they don't even have the tools to work as a kind of "exploration/infiltration" unit.

In the other hand I really love how Stealth Suits are right now. I don't think they need any kind of change, they will be buffed by Sept tactics and stratagems and thats enough. I'll like for our tanks to become viable. Devilfish, Skyray and Hammerhead, I have 5 of the first one, 2 of the second and 3 Hammerheads and I would love to use them.

Make the Commandah an actual commander and not a suicide unit.

Oh man how I want kroot good as well. I want them strictly meele build able to absorb charges and cheap. Devilfish would be great to use again.

I'm totally with you on stealth suits man I love em

I'm curious to see what they do with Tau. The model range is pretty much complete at this point so I'm expecting codex release only.

I really hope they don't go back to crisis suit spam. It's always much more interesting playing against a diverse Tau army with auxiliaries and fire warrior castes supported by ethereals supported by suits, not the other way around.

Yeah totally. I hate when a codex comes out and people spam units. I truly want to use everything I own. That's why the Tyranids seem the best cause they really can spam but if you don't want to you can still be competitive

I kind of hope that they do...it's no fun just walking all over them.

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I'm curious to see what they do with Tau. The model range is pretty much complete at this point so I'm expecting codex release only.

I really hope they don't go back to crisis suit spam. It's always much more interesting playing against a diverse Tau army with auxiliaries and fire warrior castes supported by ethereals supported by suits, not the other way around.

I hope they make it so that several options are viable. Because while I can understand your point of view, personally I love Farsight Enclaves, and I'm not much of a fan of either Kroot or Ethereals. The best codex would be one that let's everyone run the build they want with equal opportunity for success.

I'm a farsight Enclave guy myself. I just want to see a sex that makes them feared in the shooting phase again. Every time I play I do very little damage on and for a shooting army that doesn't bode well

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I'm curious to see what they do with Tau. The model range is pretty much complete at this point so I'm expecting codex release only.

I really hope they don't go back to crisis suit spam. It's always much more interesting playing against a diverse Tau army with auxiliaries and fire warrior castes supported by ethereals supported by suits, not the other way around.

They could pull a Grey Knights and make it so that Commanders can get Ghostkeels and Riptides as options.

I think they should fix Tau plasma by making it like imperial plasma (S7, -3 AP, 1 D) but without an option to overcharge it. Just make it a little cheaper than 4+ BS Imperial Plasma, 2-3 points. (But more expensive for Commanders)

 Galas wrote:
I think they should fix Tau plasma by making it like imperial plasma (S7, -3 AP, 1 D) but without an option to overcharge it. Just make it a little cheaper than 4+ BS Imperial Plasma, 2-3 points. (But more expensive for Commanders)

That does seem logical. The reason why it was S6 before was before it didn't have gets hot, but now that imperial plasma can choose settings, tau plasma should go up to S7 as well to make it consistent.

How would you make it more expensive specifically for commanders? The wargear rules don't work like that now. Everyone pays the same price.

Tau already have some options that are costed differently on different units, and Guard have their Plasma Guns cost more on Veterans and Scions than regular mooks.

So there's precedent.

 Galas wrote:
I think they should fix Tau plasma by making it like imperial plasma (S7, -3 AP, 1 D) but without an option to overcharge it. Just make it a little cheaper than 4+ BS Imperial Plasma, 2-3 points. (But more expensive for Commanders)

So you want the Imperium to have stronger weaponry than the most technologically proficient race in 40k (sans Necrons)?

I'd change it to be classed as a "Pulse" weapon for the purposes of all buffs that deal with Pulse weaponry.

Same goes for Burst Cannons for that matter.

fe40k wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I think they should fix Tau plasma by making it like imperial plasma (S7, -3 AP, 1 D) but without an option to overcharge it. Just make it a little cheaper than 4+ BS Imperial Plasma, 2-3 points. (But more expensive for Commanders)

So you want the Imperium to have stronger weaponry than the most technologically proficient race in 40k (sans Necrons)?

You do realize that Tau plasma have always been weaker than imperial plasma, right? Tau plasma was always S6 AP2 compared to imperial plasma's S7 AP2. The crucial difference is that imperial plasma has a chance of killing it's user.
Also, Tau are more advanced than Eldar and Dark Eldar. K then.

Imperials don't have lower tech than Tau. Lasers are much harder to make than a railgun. We have railguns being developed today. We don't have laser guns capable of killing someone, as the amount of power required is enormous.
Just because the Tau look slick and high tech, doesn't mean they are. Not to mention that they can afford to give their soldiers good armor and small arms, due to the small size of their empire and army. The IoM is way bigger in comparison, and as such suffers various logistical strains.

fe40k wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I think they should fix Tau plasma by making it like imperial plasma (S7, -3 AP, 1 D) but without an option to overcharge it. Just make it a little cheaper than 4+ BS Imperial Plasma, 2-3 points. (But more expensive for Commanders)

So you want the Imperium to have stronger weaponry than the most technologically proficient race in 40k (sans Necrons)?

Imperial Plasma has always been stronger than Tau plasma because safe measures. Now that is reflected by the overcharged profile. So the normal non overcharged profile should be equal for Tau.

And the Imperium has stronger weaponry than Tau by fluff. The diffence is that Tau actually care about their soldiers and they give even the basic firewarrior good armour and weapons ,and they are always developing new weapons, where the Imperium has stopped doing that in general.

But any kind of Great Crusade weaponry, for example, is stronger than any Tau weaponry. But thats why they are relics even for the Imperium.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

fe40k wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I think they should fix Tau plasma by making it like imperial plasma (S7, -3 AP, 1 D) but without an option to overcharge it. Just make it a little cheaper than 4+ BS Imperial Plasma, 2-3 points. (But more expensive for Commanders)

So you want the Imperium to have stronger weaponry than the most technologically proficient race in 40k (sans Necrons)?

You do realize that Tau plasma have always been weaker than imperial plasma, right? Tau plasma was always S6 AP2 compared to imperial plasma's S7 AP2. The crucial difference is that imperial plasma has a chance of killing it's user.
Also, Tau are more advanced than Eldar and Dark Eldar. K then.

The thing with Eldar is that their technology doesn't develops, at least for Craftworlders. They are what they are because they where created that way. Thats why they call humans Mon'keig. For Eldar, not evolutioning from a "savage" state is a good thing.

And Eldar technology is mostly pseudo psychic in nature. Thats why everything is done with their bonemagic and bonesingers. I don't know exactly the lore for Dark Eldar.

Tau are 100% science, just like Necrons. But yeah I'll put Tau, at this present moment, behind Eldar in technology.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I think they should fix Tau plasma by making it like imperial plasma (S7, -3 AP, 1 D) but without an option to overcharge it. Just make it a little cheaper than 4+ BS Imperial Plasma, 2-3 points. (But more expensive for Commanders)

That does seem logical. The reason why it was S6 before was before it didn't have gets hot, but now that imperial plasma can choose settings, tau plasma should go up to S7 as well to make it consistent.

How would you make it more expensive specifically for commanders? The wargear rules don't work like that now. Everyone pays the same price.

Make it more expensive for +2BS models just like Imperial Guard does with their +4BS and 3+bs weapons

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I'm curious to see what they do with Tau. The model range is pretty much complete at this point so I'm expecting codex release only.

I really hope they don't go back to crisis suit spam. It's always much more interesting playing against a diverse Tau army with auxiliaries and fire warrior castes supported by ethereals supported by suits, not the other way around.

They could pull a Grey Knights and make it so that Commanders can get Ghostkeels and Riptides as options.

That seems like it would exaggerate Commander spam, not fix it. As they stated they were doing

Deadawake1347 wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I'm curious to see what they do with Tau. The model range is pretty much complete at this point so I'm expecting codex release only.

I really hope they don't go back to crisis suit spam. It's always much more interesting playing against a diverse Tau army with auxiliaries and fire warrior castes supported by ethereals supported by suits, not the other way around.

I hope they make it so that several options are viable. Because while I can understand your point of view, personally I love Farsight Enclaves, and I'm not much of a fan of either Kroot or Ethereals. The best codex would be one that let's everyone run the build they want with equal opportunity for success.

Yep I agree. Not trying to take away anything from someone's preferred style. If someone wants an Enclave list then it should be an option, I just hope not the only option. It would be nice if every list wasn't "why don't you have more suits?" (my personal preference obviously, not trying to state it as fact)

 pumaman1 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I'm curious to see what they do with Tau. The model range is pretty much complete at this point so I'm expecting codex release only.

I really hope they don't go back to crisis suit spam. It's always much more interesting playing against a diverse Tau army with auxiliaries and fire warrior castes supported by ethereals supported by suits, not the other way around.

They could pull a Grey Knights and make it so that Commanders can get Ghostkeels and Riptides as options.

That seems like it would exaggerate Commander spam, not fix it. As they stated they were doing

I mean, if Commanders were able to take Ghostkeels and Riptides--they'd likely have more fixed weapon options like the Coldstars have.

I can honestly imagine a big part of their fix is going to be giving Commanders different point costs than normal Crisis Suits.

Tyranids is what everyone wants their dex to be. All options viable if built for them. Few duds in any respect. Great internal balance and great external balance with no IWIN buttons. Skill needed to play well.

Tyranid dex is the poster child for what a codex should be.

 Lance845 wrote:
Tyranids is what everyone wants their dex to be. All options viable if built for them. Few duds in any respect. Great internal balance and great external balance with no IWIN buttons. Skill needed to play well.

Tyranid dex is the poster child for what a codex should be.

Who would have tought that after 7th edition? I'll say, 8th Tyranid's Codex is one of the best GW Codex's of all time, at least, speaking about balance.

Huh, figured Gamgee would've chimed in with something by now.

But yeah, I'm not looking forward if they become dominant faction force again, but if they became like Tyranids it'd be fine.

The reason Tyranids are the best sex is because it was the best index as well or close too and they didn't need to make so many major changes. Tau on the other hand and orks need big changes and I find thats where they can make mistakes and ruin good internal balance


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Dex lol stupid auto correct

ballzonya wrote:
The reason Tyranids are the best sex is because...

Oh surely they are...all of those tentacles ...

ballzonya wrote:
The reason Tyranids are the best sex is because it was the best index as well or close too and they didn't need to make so many major changes. Tau on the other hand and orks need big changes and I find thats where they can make mistakes and ruin good internal balance


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Dex lol stupid auto correct

The nid index was only so great because it was such a huge step up from 5th and 6th ed codexes.

The 8th dex bought a alot of changes including a total rework to the way all 3 of our core rules worked. Its not like the codex was a dirext port of our index. Its not. It changed a lot of things.

If I'm honest as a T'au player, no. No I don't want T'au brought back to infamy as WAAC army that some people saw it as, What I want from T'au at the moment is an army that feels good to play. At the moment, there are so many dead choices in T'au at the moment. Crisis suits are not worth what you pay for them when a pair of decent suits amount up to a kitted out troop unit in most armies and fail to even make a difference. Commander spam is only a problem because crisis suits themselves are so badly costed and do not live up to their role. Similarly, Skyrays are SOO bad, you can try justifying it all you want, but the one use nature of Seeker missiles and even the fact they only do one mortal wound now instead of being an actual weapon means that they cannot feasibly kill anything worth anywhere near their points.
Riptides are costed poorly, I know in last edition they were terribly costed in T'au advantage but with the changes to armour penetration and wounding in this edition it is much easier to crack them open in a turn than it was last edition as that lascannon shot that before would only peel off one wound of seven now shears D6 off 16 wounds, statistically that's only around 4-5 shots average needed to kill it.
I also feel that the greater good rule needs a second look as rules wise it is more of a hindrance than an aid. As standard, a Unit can fire overwatch as many times in a phase as it wants as long as the unit is not tied in close combat. With the greater good rule, I can only fire overwatch once before that unit may no longer take overwatch, so much for overlapping fields of fire in a gunline, wasn't the whole point of this rule to make tau gunlines scary because they crumble as soon as you get into close combat?

There are some good units in T'au still, Ghostkeels are very good and fire warriors, although still remaining pretty standard, are still a very viable troop choice. The biggest winners this edition have been stealth suits with the additional wound making them good at surviving scattered fire and needing some decent focus to whittle down.