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Play every and any chance you get. When the FAQ comes then play every and any chance you get.

MalfunctBot wrote:
So new information gathered from 4chan about the FAQ.

1. The FAQ will come out some time before the GT Grand Final but will not be in effect because "we appreciate it doesn't give people enough time to make the changes needed to their lists."

2. Grey Knight Purifiers getting changed, Smite only has a 6" range, but does 2 Mortal Wounds instead of D3 (or D6 as I'm guessing it was before).

when is this gt grand final?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Play every and any chance you get. When the FAQ comes then play every and any chance you get.

That's what I'm doing, it's just a frustrating uncertainty.

gendoikari87 wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:
So new information gathered from 4chan about the FAQ.

1. The FAQ will come out some time before the GT Grand Final but will not be in effect because "we appreciate it doesn't give people enough time to make the changes needed to their lists."

2. Grey Knight Purifiers getting changed, Smite only has a 6" range, but does 2 Mortal Wounds instead of D3 (or D6 as I'm guessing it was before).

when is this gt grand final?

May 11-12th I think.

So we've got it sometime in the next month.

Yeah. I'm hesitant to purchase models until the FAQ comes out.

Also until I learn what's good or not with Mono-Slaanesh daemons, but... :X

gendoikari87 wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:
So new information gathered from 4chan about the FAQ.

1. The FAQ will come out some time before the GT Grand Final but will not be in effect because "we appreciate it doesn't give people enough time to make the changes needed to their lists."

2. Grey Knight Purifiers getting changed, Smite only has a 6" range, but does 2 Mortal Wounds instead of D3 (or D6 as I'm guessing it was before).

when is this gt grand final?

https://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/warhammer-40000-grand-tournament/

11-13th of May apparently.

45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants

Hello, welcome to Tau Hell... where we've also been waiting on our Codex FAQ, for a month now

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah. In one we have competive developers working who want balance, at other we have incompetent ones who don't even want balance.

Pretty stupid to compare.

Here - have exalt.

I didn't know a strawman supported by an unsubstantiated claim was the bar we set for exalts.

Both statements seem pretty factual to me. Starcraft is widely regarded as the pinnacle of balance in a strategy game. War-hammer 40k widely regarded as a steaming pile of dung in regards to balance with the company itself telling us that they don't care about balance - telling us to forge the narrative and eat pretzels and drink beer. They told us things would change in 8th but they havn't.


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Ash87 wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants

Hello, welcome to Tau Hell... where we've also been waiting on our Codex FAQ, for a month now

Do you think sheild drones will survive this FAQ - if it ever does come? Even as a tau player I kind of feel like I am cheating when I use them.

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

Who said it was only Tyrants?

Don't you WANT them to carefully consider and playtest changes? On top of continuing codex releases?

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

*Slow claps*
Indeed - I sure hope they are taking their time fixing all the games problems they missed in the last FAQ and codex FAQ's after every codex.

The pinnacle of balance in a strategy game is Chess, not Starcraft.

And it's been discovered that White is OP.

Some formats have patched it to an extent with how they do army trades between games.

So if the pinnacle of balance is not balanced....

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

Don't worry guys, the SPRING FAQ(tm) will totally be on time and not delayed in the slightest!

March what's a March FAQ never heard of it I think you've got the wrong game

 Daedalus81 wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

Who said it was only Tyrants?

Don't you WANT them to carefully consider and playtest changes? On top of continuing codex releases?

i want them to keep their word, not put a month and a half moratorium on buying their products. Drop what they have on time, everything else can wait for September. And what they can’t get to in September.... guess what March come around again

 Xenomancers wrote:

Do you think sheild drones will survive this FAQ - if it ever does come? Even as a tau player I kind of feel like I am cheating when I use them.

If Shield Drones/Saviour Protocols get nerfed I'm going to be running nothing but Firewarriors all in min-squads as a form of protest. We're putting aside chunks of our army that have literally no use but dying so our 150 Point Broadsides and 300 Point Riptides can actually have a shooting phase before being shot off the table.

Our suits don't need to get driven into the dirt anymore than they already have.


Also apologies if I screw up the quote in anyway, it's 2am at the moment and my phone is garbage.

gendoikari87 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

Who said it was only Tyrants?

Don't you WANT them to carefully consider and playtest changes? On top of continuing codex releases?

i want them to keep their word, not put a month and a half moratorium on buying their products. Drop what they have on time, everything else can wait for September. And what they can’t get to in September.... guess what March come around again

1) What other word have they "broken"?
2) Are they not allowed to adjust for unforeseen circumstances? It's not like they didn't release the FAQ AND said nothing.
3) Why are you so sure there many are pieces that would be easily separated?
4) What percentage of the forum do you estimate would bitch anyway if they didn't make these changes now?
5) Why is kicking the can down the road preferable?

Ash87 wrote:
Would be nice to at least get a timetable here from GW.

I don't even care if it's going to be like, a Summer FAQ at this point, as long as I know a vague guesstimate.

That's always extremely frustrating because I've been sitting here for multiple weeks now going: "Should I play this week, or just wait?"

Why on earth would a potential faq coming out stop you from playing the game you enjoy?
Hold off on buying for tournament play I can understand. but not playing?
Teh feth.

Bharring wrote:
The pinnacle of balance in a strategy game is Chess, not Starcraft.

And it's been discovered that White is OP.

Some formats have patched it to an extent with how they do army trades between games.

So if the pinnacle of balance is not balanced....

White is OP. At the top level black can't win. Not a very balanced game. Also - they have the exact same peices on both sides so it's automatically balanced - it's a little cheap to call on chess in this discussion - the games we are talking about have different units/armies - so some thought had to be put into it.

MalfunctBot wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Do you think sheild drones will survive this FAQ - if it ever does come? Even as a tau player I kind of feel like I am cheating when I use them.

If Shield Drones/Saviour Protocols get nerfed I'm going to be running nothing but Firewarriors all in min-squads as a form of protest. We're putting aside chunks of our army that have literally no use but dying so our 150 Point Broadsides and 300 Point Riptides can actually have a shooting phase before being shot off the table.

Our suits don't need to get driven into the dirt anymore than they already have.


Also apologies if I screw up the quote in anyway, it's 2am at the moment and my phone is garbage.

I haven't kept up on Tau. What exactly is the shield drone issue?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Do you think sheild drones will survive this FAQ - if it ever does come? Even as a tau player I kind of feel like I am cheating when I use them.

If Shield Drones/Saviour Protocols get nerfed I'm going to be running nothing but Firewarriors all in min-squads as a form of protest. We're putting aside chunks of our army that have literally no use but dying so our 150 Point Broadsides and 300 Point Riptides can actually have a shooting phase before being shot off the table.

Our suits don't need to get driven into the dirt anymore than they already have.


Also apologies if I screw up the quote in anyway, it's 2am at the moment and my phone is garbage.

I haven't kept up on Tau. What exactly is the shield drone issue?

Drones can intercept any hit now on a 2+ and they just take a mortal wound. So las cannons are pretty worthless against them. Sheild drones have a 5+ FNP too.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

MalfunctBot wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

Do you think sheild drones will survive this FAQ - if it ever does come? Even as a tau player I kind of feel like I am cheating when I use them.

If Shield Drones/Saviour Protocols get nerfed I'm going to be running nothing but Firewarriors all in min-squads as a form of protest. We're putting aside chunks of our army that have literally no use but dying so our 150 Point Broadsides and 300 Point Riptides can actually have a shooting phase before being shot off the table.

Our suits don't need to get driven into the dirt anymore than they already have.


Also apologies if I screw up the quote in anyway, it's 2am at the moment and my phone is garbage.

I haven't kept up on Tau. What exactly is the shield drone issue?

Drones work differently to the Bodyguard rule that other armies (and even Crisis Bodyguards) possess. Instead of taking individual wounds for a character after they've gone through their saves, if, say, a lascannon wounds a Crisis Suit instead of rolling your save you can pawn off the hit to a Drone, which will take an automatic Mortal Wound instead of the D6 (which will instantly kill the Drone unless it's a Shield Drone, which can ignore wounds on a 5+).

Tau rely very heavily on this rule to ensure our expensive (and quite trash when taken in a vacuum) Battlesuits don't evaporate the moment a heavy weapon glances in its direction.

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

45 days? It was a March FAQ. It's 12 days late, son.

You guys need to chill out, maybe take a break.

Lemondish wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

45 days? It was a March FAQ. It's 12 days late, son.

You guys need to chill out, maybe take a break.

Think hes talking about codex faqs

Bharring wrote:
The pinnacle of balance in a strategy game is Chess, not Starcraft.

And it's been discovered that White is OP.

Some formats have patched it to an extent with how they do army trades between games.

So if the pinnacle of balance is not balanced....

Chess has gak on go.

At least they are closer to their timeline on the FAQ than on the survey results...

MalfunctBot wrote:


Drones work differently to the Bodyguard rule that other armies (and even Crisis Bodyguards) possess. Instead of taking individual wounds for a character after they've gone through their saves, if, say, a lascannon wounds a Crisis Suit instead of rolling your save you can pawn off the hit to a Drone, which will take an automatic Mortal Wound instead of the D6 (which will instantly kill the Drone unless it's a Shield Drone, which can ignore wounds on a 5+).

Tau rely very heavily on this rule to ensure our expensive (and quite trash when taken in a vacuum) Battlesuits don't evaporate the moment a heavy weapon glances in its direction.

Ah, yea, that's pretty much how I have seen it played.

It's 185 for W14 T7 2+/5++ on a Riptide. I pay 120 for W12 T7 3+/5++ and heal (Forgefiend). Seems pretty reasonable to me considering is 10 points a drone and you can shoot the drones (in LOS anyway).


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 Xenomancers wrote:

Lemondish wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

45 days? It was a March FAQ. It's 12 days late, son.

You guys need to chill out, maybe take a break.

Think hes talking about codex faqs

Nada. T'au preoder was March 10 making the expected FAQ on 3/24, so 18 days on that one. Sounds like it certainly will get to at least 45 though!

 Daedalus81 wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:
45 days late because hive tyrants?!?!?! And they expect what with their codex faqs? No way any of them will be useful if it takes 45 days to fix hive tyrants. Part of me hopes tyrants get nerfed so hard they’re unplayable. I mean seriously your going to be that late? Might have just fething dropped the faq and addressed tyrants a few months later in the September faq.

Who said it was only Tyrants?

Don't you WANT them to carefully consider and playtest changes? On top of continuing codex releases?

i want them to keep their word, not put a month and a half moratorium on buying their products. Drop what they have on time, everything else can wait for September. And what they can’t get to in September.... guess what March come around again

1) What other word have they "broken"?
2) Are they not allowed to adjust for unforeseen circumstances? It's not like they didn't release the FAQ AND said nothing.
3) Why are you so sure there many are pieces that would be easily separated?
4) What percentage of the forum do you estimate would bitch anyway if they didn't make these changes now?
5) Why is kicking the can down the road preferable?

1. Lets start with what they’ve kept which is 0 they missed the first damn deadline
2. Yes here’s how you adjust “guys we are aware of the issue we’re going to take our time to get it right instead of rushing it, this will be addressed in September or in a stand alone faq if and when we feel it is perfect “
3. Maybe it’s one piece. Maybe it’s 90%. Honor your word take your time drop what is available on time
4. Let them bitch they’ll still buy instead of holding off
5. Because 6 months as opposed to 45 days is longer to work on it and not an unbearable amount of time for it not to be addressed

Bharring wrote:
The pinnacle of balance in a strategy game is Chess, not Starcraft.

And it's been discovered that White is OP.

Some formats have patched it to an extent with how they do army trades between games.

So if the pinnacle of balance is not balanced....

Chess is not the pinnacle of anything. Computers already trivially stomp humans at it. Go is a much better game.

Martel732 wrote:

Bharring wrote:
The pinnacle of balance in a strategy game is Chess, not Starcraft.

And it's been discovered that White is OP.

Some formats have patched it to an extent with how they do army trades between games.

So if the pinnacle of balance is not balanced....

Chess is not the pinnacle of anything. Computers already trivially stomp humans at it. Go is a much better game.

Computers stomping masters at go now too. Good news in 40k is if computers played it we could still beat them. Unless they also learn how to roll dice better than us.

Chess is only as balanced as it is because it’s a symmetrical game list wise. Everyone has exactly the same pieces

gendoikari87 wrote:

1. Lets start with what they’ve kept which is 0 they missed the first damn deadline

So none of the codex FAQs count?

2. Yes here’s how you adjust “guys we are aware of the issue we’re going to take our time to get it right instead of rushing it, this will be addressed in September or in a stand alone faq if and when we feel it is perfect “

It seems apparent that they are not rushing it. If you take your statement and remove September then it's basically what they've said already.

3. Maybe it’s one piece. Maybe it’s 90%. Honor your word take your time drop what is available on time

And we know absolutely none of what they've done. You're just looking for a reason to be pissed while also pushing them to not release the rest for months.

4. Let them bitch they’ll still buy instead of holding off

Make one half mad or the other half. What's a GW to do?

5. Because 6 months as opposed to 45 days is longer to work on it and not an unbearable amount of time for it not to be addressed

Do you not see the mountain of salt in here?