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Had this come up over the weekend match play. Opponent believed a roll of a 6 always hit even if you need a 7 to hit when shooting. We looked for any such rule and couldn't find any so we ruled he couldn't hit, but is that the right ruling? We know and found the rule that a 1 is always a miss, but couldn't find anything about a 6 always succeeding.

Situation was an interceptor with just 1 wound left (last bracket, BS 5+) had moved shooting a heavy weapon (-1 to hit) and targetting a tank which popped smoke during my turn (another -1 to hit). This meant he needed a 5 to hit but with a -2 to the roll it effectively becomes needing a 7 to hit. He had no other targets due to range and LOS.

No. A roll of a 6 does not always hit.

GW is one of the few games that allow shots to become impossible like that. See Orks versus Alotric Eldar.

I suspect you'll have to wait for 9th edition before you'll see it fixed.

They used to have a chart for requiring more than 7+ to hit it was a 6 followed by a 4 for 7, 6 by 5 for 8, 6 by 6 for 9 and can't remember if it went to 10 or not but if it did it would have been a 6, 6, 4 consecutively so not exactlly reliable.

nope now in 8th a 6 can miss with modifiers (with a -1 mod you can effectively make units immune to over-watch (unless they have buffs them selves))

however a 1 does still always miss - even with modifiers

its not consistent but this is GW we're talkin bout

Modifiers of any kind, + or -, are ignored for overwatch. You hit on a natural roll of 6.

Thanks for the confirmation. I know the new Necromunda has rules that have you roll again against your BS when you need a 7 or more to hit, I just couldn't find anything like that for 8th ed 40k.

 Latro_ wrote:
nope now in 8th a 6 can miss with modifiers (with a -1 mod you can effectively make units immune to over-watch (unless they have buffs them selves))

however a 1 does still always miss - even with modifiers

its not consistent but this is GW we're talkin bout

Overwatch doesn't allow any modifiers. Here is the text from the rulebook:
"uses all the normal rules except that a 6 is
always required for a successful hit roll, irrespective of the
firing model’s Ballistic Skill or any modifiers."

So you can't apply a -1 to hit to overwatch.

oh my lawd so it does!

i'v cheated at least twice! good to know.

roman2440 wrote:
Thanks for the confirmation. I know the new Necromunda has rules that have you roll again against your BS when you need a 7 or more to hit, I just couldn't find anything like that for 8th ed 40k.

 Latro_ wrote:
nope now in 8th a 6 can miss with modifiers (with a -1 mod you can effectively make units immune to over-watch (unless they have buffs them selves))

however a 1 does still always miss - even with modifiers

its not consistent but this is GW we're talkin bout

Overwatch doesn't allow any modifiers. Here is the text from the rulebook:
"uses all the normal rules except that a 6 is
always required for a successful hit roll, irrespective of the
firing model’s Ballistic Skill or any modifiers."

So you can't apply a -1 to hit to overwatch.

And yet, there are plenty of units with rules which effect Overwatch, Agripinaa and Mordians both hit on a 5+, for example...

I'm pretty sure that if an attack needs a 7+ to hit, you can still hit if you roll a 6 followed by something else. I remember reading that in the BrB.
Edit : Or...not. I guess it was in necromunda or something.
Yeah, 7+ is impossible to hit.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if an attack needs a 7+ to hit, you can still hit if you roll a 6 followed by something else. I remember reading that in the BrB.
Edit : Or...not. I guess it was in necromunda or something.
Yeah, 7+ is impossible to hit.

That was in older editions - strasight-up impossible in 8th.

Pedroig wrote:


And yet, there are plenty of units with rules which effect Overwatch, Agripinaa and Mordians both hit on a 5+, for example...

RAW agripinaa works, because they hit on 5+. RAW mordians dont work, because they get +1 to overwatch, which is a modifier

 p5freak wrote:

Pedroig wrote:


And yet, there are plenty of units with rules which effect Overwatch, Agripinaa and Mordians both hit on a 5+, for example...

RAW agripinaa works, because they hit on 5+. RAW mordians dont work, because they get +1 to overwatch, which is a modifier

Wouldn't that override the core rules though as it specifically states that it modifies overwatch? That's how the rules usually work.

 p5freak wrote:

Pedroig wrote:


And yet, there are plenty of units with rules which effect Overwatch, Agripinaa and Mordians both hit on a 5+, for example...

RAW agripinaa works, because they hit on 5+. RAW mordians dont work, because they get +1 to overwatch, which is a modifier

RAW, the Mordian rule was FAQ'd to work, so this comment is out of date.

And another example of people blatantly and intentionally ignoring the overwhelmingly obvious intent of the Mordian rule, poor writing or not.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

RAW, the Mordian rule was FAQ'd to work, so this comment is out of date.

True. My fault.

 Elbows wrote:
And another example of people blatantly and intentionally ignoring the overwhelmingly obvious intent of the Mordian rule, poor writing or not.

You dont know RAI, no one outside of GW knows it. It happened that "overwhelmingly obvious intent" was proven wrong by GW. And i'm sure it will happen again in the future.