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Since the rise of the Great Rift, the Imperial North has been cut-off more or less, but that means different things i suppose for different places.

For instance, the Imperium, if its forces can't run the Gauntlet, has a backdoor into the Calixis Sector (and by extension the rest of the Sectors near it) due to the Warp Gate in the Jericho Reach (assuming that the region hasn't fallen to whomever in the current timeline).

But i'm wondering about the Imperium's North Eastern segment of Ultima Segmentum. Beyond the Imperial Navy Base at Kar Dunlash and the Blood Angel's homeworld of Baal.... there doesn't seem to be much of anything that was really under the Imperium's sway pre-Rift...

Any thoughts on the matter? Map above for those willing to take a look.

It sounds like, from something I read awhile back the Jericho reach fell to the word bearers.

Bound to be somewhere mankind is dug in over there... can’t say for certain though.

BrianDavion wrote:
It sounds like, from something I read awhile back the Jericho reach fell to the word bearers.

The last official tidibt on the Deathwatch Timeline i saw was 817.M41.

So i'm assuming the Achilius Crusade ended in failure? That the Imperium and the Velk'han Sept of the Tau have been both wiped out?

Well.. that bodes ill for the Segmentum Obscurus Sectors behind the Eye of Terror..



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 Aetare wrote:
Bound to be somewhere mankind is dug in over there... can’t say for certain though.

There was a Sector near the old Night Lords home world, the Gulgorhad Protectorate, but that was back in M31. If it still exists (and that's a big if, its been a while ;-) ), it may very well be the most Cut-Off Portion of the Imperium to date...



But Most the worlds i see past Baal and the Kar Dunlash base are Dark Elf or Ork owned....

GrapeApe wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
It sounds like, from something I read awhile back the Jericho reach fell to the word bearers.

The last official tidibt on the Deathwatch Timeline i saw was 817.M41.

So i'm assuming the Achilius Crusade ended in failure? That the Imperium and the Velk'han Sept of the Tau have been both wiped out?

Well.. that bodes ill for the Segmentum Obscurus Sectors behind the Eye of Terror..



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 Aetare wrote:
Bound to be somewhere mankind is dug in over there... can’t say for certain though.

There was a Sector near the old Night Lords home world, the Gulgorhad Protectorate, but that was back in M31. If it still exists (and that's a big if, its been a while ;-) ), it may very well be the most Cut-Off Portion of the Imperium to date...



But Most the worlds i see past Baal and the Kar Dunlash base are Dark Elf or Ork owned....

Space Marine codex mentions fighting in the crusade in the 900s. so it's still going on if chaos has not yet won

I don't think there's much official stuff so far on what's been happening.

I would imagine though it would be isolated worlds and sectors that are forced to fend for themselves. They might still call themselves part of the Imperium, but be cut off from communications. Then again the sector is supposedly the largest practical functional unit of the Imperium, so even in the past they may have been their own little oasis of human Imperial civilization amidst a wider sea of unknown space, non-Imperial humans, or aliens.

we do know Dante has been assigned "Warden of imperium Nihlus" or something, and the blood angels legion is defacto there now.

BrianDavion wrote:
we do know Dante has been assigned "Warden of imperium Nihlus" or something, and the blood angels legion is defacto there now.

Which is really an empty title as far as I am concerned. A few thousand to cover half the galaxy? The main purpose of the title IMO is a stamp of legitimacy from the current regent of the Imperium, Guilloman, authorizing Dante to do whatever needs doing, without Dante then running the risk of being accused of private empire building or other improper motives. My understanding was it was only a temporary and unreliable navigation channel between the two halves so Dante would still be essentially on his own after Guilliman left.

The main effect of the Rift I think would be on navigation, if the Astronomicon is not visible. Ships would be forced to rely on local astropathic beacons (mentioned in BFG rule book) or on short calculated jumps like what was done before the advent of Navigators.

Iracundus wrote:
I don't think there's much official stuff so far on what's been happening.

I would imagine though it would be isolated worlds and sectors that are forced to fend for themselves. They might still call themselves part of the Imperium, but be cut off from communications. Then again the sector is supposedly the largest practical functional unit of the Imperium, so even in the past they may have been their own little oasis of human Imperial civilization amidst a wider sea of unknown space, non-Imperial humans, or aliens.

Hrmm..

Has there ever been any novels or tidibts that have sketched out the region in question Prior to the Rift?

Aside from the Hours Heresy references (again, M31 is a long long time ago), i can't find much.

If that's the case, it doesn't seem like such a giant loss since the "Heartland" of the Imperium is intact.

All the Imperium has really lost is..... Hinterland - a place more for Dark Elves and Two Ork Empires...... Yes there are undoubtedly colonies out there, but i'm assuming nothing as organized as Calixis and surely nothing as Large as Ultramar.

Iracundus wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
we do know Dante has been assigned "Warden of imperium Nihlus" or something, and the blood angels legion is defacto there now.

Which is really an empty title as far as I am concerned. A few thousand to cover half the galaxy? The main purpose of the title IMO is a stamp of legitimacy from the current regent of the Imperium, Guilloman, authorizing Dante to do whatever needs doing, without Dante then running the risk of being accused of private empire building or other improper motives. My understanding was it was only a temporary and unreliable navigation channel between the two halves so Dante would still be essentially on his own after Guilliman left.

The main effect of the Rift I think would be on navigation, if the Astronomicon is not visible. Ships would be forced to rely on local astropathic beacons (mentioned in BFG rule book) or on short calculated jumps like what was done before the advent of Navigators.

sure and thats WHY the title is potentially Big, Dante is basicly the "commander in chief" of Imperium Nihulus.

Well a friend of mine suggested the "Last Outpost in Ultima Segmentum" North... The world of Orask...

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Orask

It was the Last Stop before anyone attempted to go further "off the map" so to speak. And guarded by Cadians, Mordians, et al.

That planet already sits at the Border of the Ghoul Stars and had to contend with a Splinter Hive Fleet back in 977 M41,

Given the distances from both the Segmentum Fortress Kar Dunlash and Baal - that place is pretty much on its own at this point.

I’m my mind all of this points to a fracturing of the galaxy so terrible over time that it will require a second great crusade far beyond what Guilliman is doing, likely under the reincarnated Emperor if that whole ‘star-child’ Psyker thing comes true. But that’s a lot of speculation... it’s the age of strife all over again.

That was always a no-man's land of the Imperium. I remember Angelus being a tomb world from back in the days of Gorkamorka, and it was being surveyed by a lone Imperial ship (The Eternal Vigilance) that crashed while surveying the planet and no one ever showed up to rescue them.

It may be far from the Imperial heartland but space is so vast that it is still possible to have thriving isolated highly organized sectors. A standard sector is described in the BFG rule book as a cube of space, 200 light years a side. As big as that sounds, it is still utterly tiny on the galactic scale, with the galaxy having a radius of about 60,000 light years.

The sectors themselves were split into subsectors of clusters of star systems linked by trade and navigational routes. Most people in the Imperium never leave their home planet. Of those that do, many never leave their subsector or sector. Our viewpoint as outside readers is skewed because the background tends to concentrate on those individuals that do have that mobility.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
That was always a no-man's land of the Imperium. I remember Angelus being a tomb world from back in the days of Gorkamorka, and it was being surveyed by a lone Imperial ship (The Eternal Vigilance) that crashed while surveying the planet and no one ever showed up to rescue them.

Is GorkaMorka still a thing? I mean i know Angelis the planet is still canon... But are DiggaNobz?!

But on a more serious point - you are correct, that patch of space has always been No Man's Land..... it simply just got a lot more lonely.

If I use a rough approximation of the Real World Roman Empire for the Imperium (and lets pretend Rome = Byzantium), then RG and Co. back on the other side of the Rift have to deal with the more Organized Threats. Abutting 3 Empires (The Tau, The Eye, and the Ork Empire of Charandon), He's got to worry about a more populated part of Space that cranks out commerce.


Dante got stuck with the Western half of the Empire - an already unruly degenerating area that perhaps back in the good old days (31K) had some life in it, but is now sliding into the hands of Dark Elves, Chaos, Tyranids, and Orcs other Weirder Things (whenever GW decides it feels like hurling some weird at us).

Sure there's a Paris or a Londonium every so often - ie: a Sector or a Planet where Civilization is in full swing, but they are isolated communities...... and perhaps moreso given that the light of the Emperor no longer shines upon them.



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Iracundus wrote:

The sectors themselves were split into subsectors of clusters of star systems linked by trade and navigational routes. Most people in the Imperium never leave their home planet. Of those that do, many never leave their subsector or sector. Our viewpoint as outside readers is skewed because the background tends to concentrate on those individuals that do have that mobility.

Well that's kind of why i was seeking an answer to my question about Pilgrimages down below.

Cause on the one hand, i tend to imagine sectors like you just said - with people hardly ever getting off a Planet.

Yet on the other hand, when you throw out the Rogue Trader dynasties and other intra-System businesses, you do still see people moving from planet to planet.

Hence why i asked, is this ultimately a System-specific issue? Could I as a Citizen of Ultramar or Sol (assuming i had the required resources), decide to hop a transport to Mars or Masali?

Cause the Portrayals in other Fluff have whole systems where that would be an impossbility unless you sold all your savings to a Rogue Trader ..... or joined the IG...

Assuming your world even knew about interplanetary travel to begin with.