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So last week I was invited to help out with beginners at my local GW. I decided to use Magnus.

Since good positioning is nonexistent at a beginner game, I decided to first go at both dreadnoughts and killed them turn one, then next turn go over to the enemy character blob , cast infernal gateway and do 22 TOTAL MORTAL WOUNDS to them, killing everyone.

At a beginners game.

 fwlr wrote:
So last week I was invited to help out with beginners at my local GW. I decided to use Magnus.

Since good positioning is nonexistent at a beginner game, I decided to first go at both dreadnoughts and killed them turn one, then next turn go over to the enemy character blob , cast infernal gateway and do 22 TOTAL MORTAL WOUNDS to them, killing everyone.

At a beginners game.

..... Are you asking a question or just bragging about seal clubbing?

Well, that was very sporting of you...


My advice would be to tell your opponent that games like that can happen for a variety of reasons, and that they shouldn't necessarily feel down because they got crushed. I would also have suggested to switch armies to reinforce that, or at least shown them what they could have done in terms of army composition.

You've now become your own worst enemy as you sealed in their minds that Magnus is absolutely broken garbage.

See, when I was starting, I only got better when I lost over and over. Gotta get punished to git gud. If your teaching someone the game, then go easy. If not, just bring a mid level list and don’t hold punches. If you let a beginner win just for being new, it can be kinda disrespectful.

Desubot wrote:

 fwlr wrote:
So last week I was invited to help out with beginners at my local GW. I decided to use Magnus.

Since good positioning is nonexistent at a beginner game, I decided to first go at both dreadnoughts and killed them turn one, then next turn go over to the enemy character blob , cast infernal gateway and do 22 TOTAL MORTAL WOUNDS to them, killing everyone.

At a beginners game.

..... Are you asking a question or just bragging about seal clubbing?

Kind of bragging.

General Annoyance wrote:Well, that was very sporting of you...


My advice would be to tell your opponent that games like that can happen for a variety of reasons, and that they shouldn't necessarily feel down because they got crushed. I would also have suggested to switch armies to reinforce that, or at least shown them what they could have done in terms of army composition.

My opponent knew that stuff like that should never happen, and I don't think it makes them feel down.
Next time I won't be mean though. I still feel so bad.

Classy.

 fwlr wrote:

Desubot wrote:

 fwlr wrote:
So last week I was invited to help out with beginners at my local GW. I decided to use Magnus.

Since good positioning is nonexistent at a beginner game, I decided to first go at both dreadnoughts and killed them turn one, then next turn go over to the enemy character blob , cast infernal gateway and do 22 TOTAL MORTAL WOUNDS to them, killing everyone.

At a beginners game.

..... Are you asking a question or just bragging about seal clubbing?

Kind of bragging.


My opponent knew that stuff like that should never happen, and I don't think it makes them feel down.
Next time I won't be mean though. I still feel so bad.

Yeah, you seem totally broken up over it.

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Anyway.......

Any infernal gateways people have had that were even worse?

 fwlr wrote:

Well is that asking for a thread lock due to trolling or what?

REALLY?!

 Jaxler wrote:
See, when I was starting, I only got better when I lost over and over. Gotta get punished to git gud. If your teaching someone the game, then go easy. If not, just bring a mid level list and don’t hold punches. If you let a beginner win just for being new, it can be kinda disrespectful.

Kinda agree with this. I even sold several armies in the first year I played because I couldn't win a single game.
I got better, which made every win all the sweeter.

That said, you do need to at least let new players play the game a bit, rather than just tell them to remove their models with little to no opportunity to counter.
The best way to do this is to use low-to-mid tier options. It not only gives you the opportunity to bring out units that may be collecting dust, but it also allows the beginner to "warm-up" to the better units.
You'll still have tactical advantage over them and may still win, but at least the beginner has the chance to "play".

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Conversely...

I taught my sister how to play using DG vs my Eldar.

She blew up my WS with bolter fire, nuked my Guardians with Combi Bolters and Reaper autocannons, spat vomit on my Dire Avengers, negated all my powers so my Wraithblades hit like little girl statues. Then she proceeded to smash my Wraithlord to bits with her LoC, then consolidated into my Wraithblades, from behind, and tied them up in the late game preventing me from contesting the objective to squeeze out the draw. Turns out shuriken weapon spam with rerolls doesn't do gak when people make every single armour save/invulnerable save they throw.

And then, to add insult to injury she says 'your space elfs look like a pajama party' and 'I didn't shoot the War Walkers cuz they look cute and seemed kinda wussy'.

So, ya know. It can go either way. Don't feel bad for those fething noobs. Give em hell.

Not sure if serious...

I won't get nasty and personal, but this is entirely the wrong approach to bringing in new people to the game.

When your dad was teaching you to play football (American) or rugby, did he pummel you into the ground with all 230 lbs. of his bodyweight and detach your liver?

If I had been the newbie at your event, I would looked away from 40k and never turned back.

Okay... why do this? What benefit did you give them? Were they happy after the game and excited to play again? If yes, then that's a bit surprising, but okay. If no, then you just cost your community some potential players, and that's really strange you'd want to brag about being a terrible person for your community.

I ran a beginning game for my wife the other day. I made sure she had more points than I did and that I took and made less than optimal choices. She won and seemed to feel good about it, and now hopefully will be open to more games and learning more about the game in the future.

Amusing troll, kinda?

Oh come on guys. Grow some skin. If you're a noob and someone spanks you with Magnus so bad it reminds you of the time your Dad got sick of your inflated head and piledrivered you into the ground, that's not the other players fault. What you do is go, oh gak lemme use that on you now sucka! Maybe it's fun to see, as a new player, just how crazy the game can get? Magnus doing 22 mortal wounds to a squad and wiping them is awesome and you all know it. Imagine what that looks like. Mind bullets whipping around, Magnus laughing and pinching his horn nipples, dudes falling down dead. That's exactly what 40k is about.

The shop asked this dude to help out, obviously he isn't the mythical WAAC TFG acronym toting bastard you're all making him out to be. What is wrong with 40k is that grown men act like children about it. If you get roflstomped you don't pack your toys up and never look back. You man up and shake the other players hand.

Wow. Just wow.

Mind, I'm not saying you should be trying to roflstomp noobs, but...

... Losing horribly is a pretty common occurrence in life and that is an eventuality we must all condition ourselves toward and know how to handle in the day to day.

 darkcloak wrote:
The shop asked this dude to help out, obviously he isn't the mythical WAAC TFG acronym toting bastard you're all making him out to be. What is wrong with 40k is that grown men act like children about it. If you get roflstomped you don't pack your toys up and never look back. You man up and shake the other players hand.

There's nothing overtly wrong with it.

The generally accepted wisdom when trying to introduce people to a new game is that you want them to enjoy it and learn the fundamental mechanics.

Magnus is not exactly a stellar example of fundamental mechanics, he is a prime example of exceptional mechanics. Granted, his balls got lopped off and he's a scrub now, but still bad form to use him as a teaching mechanism.

Admittedly, if the guy's a prick and you don't want them to pick up the game or join your store league, by all means, slap your dick in his face and send him on his way.

 darkcloak wrote:
Mind, I'm not saying you should be trying to roflstomp noobs, but...

... Losing horribly is a pretty common occurrence in life and that is an eventuality we must all condition ourselves toward and know how to handle in the day to day.

While it's good to learn from a personal standpoint, you can learn that in ways that are more beneficial for your bottom line. If I were a store owner, I'd want to make sure everyone there is excited to play afterwards, since that'd make them more willing to buy my merchandise. If they have a bad time and don't look back because it seemed broken, then those are lost sales. When I first saw 40k as a kid in 2nd edition, I was treated to a sample game where I was blown out of the water without killing even 1 enemy unit. Guess if I started playing then. I didn't. I only ended up playing because a friend told me about the game in 3rd edition, and I wanted to have a fun rivalry with him and some other friends. Our first games were always back and forth, some wins, some losses, and always felt like they were close!

Bwahahahahahahaha! Slap your...

Hah!

I can relate to this as we had a horrible player in our xwing group who you had to basically do just that or he'd hang around all day forcing three way battles with the lower skill level guys and bragging about how awesome his list was. I actually used to study his lists and bring hard counters just to send him packing. Then I finally got enough TIEs to fly Rageswarm and that was a hard counter to his entire brain and he slowly stopped coming to the shop for weekly xwing night. He played one tourney after that and that was it, he came up against me and Youngster first round and I smoked his Corran turn 2 with a block and a bunch of Rage tokens. Picked up his falcon, said feth you, and left. We never saw him again and I think I even won that tourney too!

OP

 darkcloak wrote:
Oh come on guys. Grow some skin. If you're a noob and someone spanks you with Magnus so bad it reminds you of the time your Dad got sick of your inflated head and piledrivered you into the ground, that's not the other players fault. What you do is go, oh gak lemme use that on you now sucka! Maybe it's fun to see, as a new player, just how crazy the game can get?

Getting flattened in the first turn of a game that would typically run for 4-6 wouldn't be most normal people's definition of a crazy game. It's either highlighted gross imbalance, or very poor list building from your opponent (who's new, so why would they know any better), neither of which are useful.

Magnus doing 22 mortal wounds to a squad and wiping them is awesome and you all know it.

Just...

Tabling an opponent in turn 1, whatever way you do it, isn't really awesome at all; the person who was dishing it out has completed a game of 40k in a single turn, so they've barely got any playtime in that game at all. The person on the receiving end also didn't get any playtime, and has also had to pack their army away faster than it took to set it up. Basically both players have wasted their time setting up to play, except that one person hasn't been kicked to the dirt without any chance to retaliate.

Imagine what that looks like. Mind bullets whipping around, Magnus laughing and pinching his horn nipples, dudes falling down dead. That's exactly what 40k is about.

This is something that a new person cannot imagine 9 times out of ten, because they probably haven't read the lore or really know what to expect game wise. A pretty moot point.

The shop asked this dude to help out, obviously he isn't the mythical WAAC TFG acronym toting bastard you're all making him out to be.

Because people have never had a lapse in judgement before, right?

What is wrong with 40k is that grown men act like children about it. If you get roflstomped you don't pack your toys up and never look back. You man up and shake the other players hand.

Of course you shake their hand (unless they really were a piece of work) and hopefully walk on to find another game, maybe with the same person. That doesn't mean you're a child for feeling bad about being crushed, and psychologically being crushed will often be a message to someone new that it's not the game for them, which shouldn't be the way anyone is introduced to any game. That doesn't mean you have to put yourself at a big disadvantage or roll over for your opponent because they're new, but bringing a list or a unit that you know would be able to break their army like a twig is neither sporting or useful, as they ultimately aren't going to learn a damn thing as you "roflstomp" them by the first turn.

 fwlr wrote:
So last week I was invited to help out with beginners at my local GW. I decided to use Magnus.

Since good positioning is nonexistent at a beginner game, I decided to first go at both dreadnoughts and killed them turn one, then next turn go over to the enemy character blob , cast infernal gateway and do 22 TOTAL MORTAL WOUNDS to them, killing everyone.

At a beginners game.

Then you went home and kicked some puppies?

Pretty pathetic really.

I don't think having more turns is necessarily a guarantee of enjoyment. I practically tabled a tyrannid player on turn three (we called it there with one unit left for him), Dude packed up and left looking like he was about to cry (can't have been older than 12). And he wasn't new, he knew all the rules. I'd say it was worse than the situation described. I'd much rather get wiped by Magnus in one magic deathblow than three turns of marching towards 40 fire warriors and a bunch of crisis suits. (feel free to complain about tau gunlines)

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't think having more turns is necessarily a guarantee of enjoyment. I practically tabled a tyrannid player on turn three (we called it there with one unit left for him), Dude packed up and left looking like he was about to cry (can't have been older than 12). And he wasn't new, he knew all the rules. I'd say it was worse than the situation described. I'd much rather get wiped by Magnus in one magic deathblow than three turns of marching towards 40 fire warriors and a bunch of crisis suits. (feel free to complain about tau gunlines)

It doesn't necessarily, no. However, given that most player's expectations would be to have a game to run for at least a few turns, if not more, it will almost always be crushing to have to pack up after one half of the first turn; you wouldn't even be able to speculate if it would have been a good or bad game if it went on for longer, because it was all wrapped up in under 10 minutes.

I'm pretty sure there is more to the story than just what the OP has written and he's just trolling us a bit to see us flammenwaffer everything. Which, well played sir, well played.

If I had seen Magnus do something crazy like that I'd probably be painting my CSMs blue. Instead I used to hate seeing Typhus across the board and now I glue crud onto my dudes to make em look rotten. As someone who has been quite involved in making and maintaining a gaming club, president of the THGXWC now retired, I can relate to store owners needs. However, when I was fostering new players for XWing it was hardly an issue to get them to buy in. Maybe that's just the low start up cost but for 40k I would use a similar approach as to the one I did for XWing.

I told everyone that it was a competitive club in that we would hold regular tourneys and play by the official rules. There wasn't gonna be any hand holding or going easy on anyone because at that point we were all new. And I did this in a very chill way and we had plenty of casual unofficial rules type events to keep things fun. In one year we got so good that we sent four guys to regionals, me being one of them, and except for me we all placed in the top 20 and one guy was in the top 10. I placed 43 out of 74 with dual phantoms, a list I had hardly ever flown. That club is still alive and well and their Facebook page shows a ton of people having fun on the regular. I attribute the success of this club largely to the positive attitude we placed on competition and learning the game better.